Not even sugar daddy clubs operate like that. We have to haggle or this will be an endless cycle. If we pay 50-60m upfront for a RB, then what would a selling club demand if we want a RW or striker or midfielder?
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How long can they do that? Players if they are good will start forcing transfers or demand higher wages which small clubs cannot offer as it will feck up their wage structure.
Look at City playing it cool with Rodri, they have options in the squad, they are not they desperate this year. But we are completely at the mercy of the selling clubs this year because of our shite transfer policy
Exactly. We'll be paying Neymar prices for some kid that found his dad's football boots and scored a hattrick against the kitchen door .
If Palace are demanding 50m and the clause in Zaha's contract to be dropped, we should steer clear or this transfer. AWB is not experienced yet and there is a chance we could get him on the cheap next year if he had an average season(high probability for this but not sure we would look at him). Thomas Meunier is the way to go. We already had a good defensive right back in Valencia and that did feck all in the last 5 years not sure how another defensive right back will transform us.
But we're not just going for a right back. We're going for a center back too. That's two new places out of four.
I'd love Oles paycheck but he's landed a job that unless he's channeling the godfather seems impossible.
In that case, we should go to option B instead of wasting the summer on AWB & Crystal Palace.
If Palace are being this difficult, just walk away now. I'm sure there's another option.
Let's stop waisting time here. If clubs are being unreasonable in their negotiations, then set a precedent now by walking away.
Let's stop waisting time here. If clubs are being unreasonable in their negotiations, then set a precedent now by walking away.
Just move for other targets. It's not worth it. It's a shame that rookie seems obsessed with British players. There are little options on that front. No wonder no top club has a British core.
Exactly I don't understand the sudden policy of signing British talent, it too few and transfer is a lot difficult than dealing with the likes of Inter. Add in the English premium we would be far worse off than previously as British talent is not that good technically.
Well they better get rid of their obsession. Everyone knows how overpriced these players are and how difficult it is to negotiate with PL cubs, plus there isn't enough quality. Why on earth would you make that a major part of your transfer strategy? That's foolish.
You need to go for the best candidates, not based on nationality.
I wonder if Phelan suggested this? It just seems weird that a Norweigian would be obsessed with getting British players. Why on earth would he agree to something so narrow minded I cannot understand.
Nah, British talent is abundant and fairly priced. The great English under-21 just totally dominated France, Croatia and Romania collecting a single point!
Nah mate, we need some to overpay for proper brexit lads, they have desiah and are hungry and they will literally bleed red for the club!!
In all seriousness though there is no value for money in buying from other English clubs. Our reported budget of £100m gets us 1 or maybe 2 decent PL players, and if we had spent what Madrid have this summer on purely PL proven players we would have 3-4 incomings maximum.
Probably the situation with this one is that the player is unsettled, he wants to move and has agreed terms, two clubs are very close and haggling over few million and zaha clauses. Can you suddenly drop the bombshell on the player that we are not signing you over a few million?
Don’t worry too much. Ole will probably be back to Molde in 6 months time
Its not few millions though. United rated him 35m. They added few clauses to make Palace happy. Palace on the other hand wants to take us to the cleaners with a 50m straight cash bid + us dropping Zahas's clauses which might mean missing another 5m - 20m
Id say pull the plug on this deal and move to another player but not before telling bissaka that Palace ruined his chance to play with a top club. He is not that good in the first place
There is no indication that AWB is unsettled. Plus it's not about the player at all. I think we will probably agree terms with pretty much most of the players, it's about clubs always taking is for a ride with the fees. I think Perisic coped well with us not signing him after we were in him for a long time. And Zaha clause is not "just" a few million.
United should offer 40 million. If Palace sells Zaha north of 80 million (apparently CP rates Zaha at 100 million pounds so selling him the summer of 2021, two years before it runs out summer of 2023 is prime season), United's sell on fee is 10 percent, lower than the current 20 or 25 percent figure. If Palace cannot sell Zaha north of 80 million, United retain the full sell on fee.
Palace shouldn't be making Zaha's contract terms as part of another player's potential sale. If Palace balk, give them a deadline and shift your attention to Max Aarons. Buy him and loan him straight back to Norwich for 2 years with a club option to recall after year 1.
Palace shouldn't be making Zaha's contract terms as part of another player's potential sale. If Palace balk, give them a deadline and shift your attention to Max Aarons. Buy him and loan him straight back to Norwich for 2 years with a club option to recall after year 1.
I think that the club have thrown our 50+ scouts suggestions to the bin and had given Mr Cardiff a veto on transfers. Which means Ole would only sign players he or his crew know about. I can't see ole in Molde watching the Dutch league or the Croatian league. On the telly. He will follow the Norwegian league and the EPL
If Aarons can run for 90 mins then he will be a better option then young. Id say sign him up and bring him in now. We got dalot and young as RBs not Zanetti and Tassotti
If that's the case then we are seriously fecked because that would indicate that we have a dumb assistant and an even dumber manager for next year.
Do you want to make any more wild assumptions? You're on a bit of a roll. What does he have for breakfast?
They aren't dumb. However one hasn't been at a big club for 7 years while the other has only managed Cardiff and Molde. You don't follow Fiorentina, sporting and atletico or leverkusen players when you, ve got a budget of 1m don't you?
We are also linked heavily to Pepe, Bruno Fernandes etc. but don't get facts get in the way of a stupid agenda as per usual.
I've got a budget of 50p, yet I'm watching lots of football, but you think someone whose literally working in the game is that narrow minded when it comes to looking at talent?
We all know that United we go for what the manager wants and ole himself said that we are being linked with player he never even heard off let alone being interested to sign. Ole is a small club manager. At Molde He will be interested at top players as much as you would be interested in buying hilton. So we will probably go for players from leagues he is interested in as a fan ie the EPL
Just raid the Ligue 1 for its most promising young players. Problem solved
We've been mostly linked with EPL players. I think we will get a heavily EPL core players with maybe 1-2 of Mou's former targets
There is nothing that justify buying AwB for 50m cash unless..... We are desperate
You are a fan with alot of time in your hands. Managers don't have that luxury. Every minute spent is for the good of their club. Also would you be interested in anything related to your job after work?
Problem is clubs know we need players so will demand as much as they can knowing sooner or later we're going to have to pay money to get in some new faces.
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Newspapers, eh? The following is taken from the Daily Mail.
On January 17th United join the chase and on February 28th they start preparing a bid to make a summer move for AWB. One month later, on March 27th, Palace are bracing themselves as United line up a stunning swoop for AWB, and four days later it is revealed that United have now targeted the player (again...) On April fools day United are ready to spend £35 million on him and on the 3rd it is reported that United are now keen on AWB (oi...) and that they have been given the green light!
On April 18th OGS reveals that Wan-Bissaka is on his short-list and on May 2nd we are reminded that United are targeting AWB (?!). Then again on May 15th. This time OGS says AWB is a favorite of his. On May 16th United are ready to pay £50 million for AWB and Patrick van Aanholt. On May 18th Palace put a £60 million price-tag on the former.
On May 22nd United push to sign Wan-Bissaka and are preparing a £25 million offer. On the same day, however, it is written that AWB will join United in a deal worth £55 million, after we reach an agreement with Palace. On May 23rd United agree personal terms with the player.
On June 11th United prepare to make an improved offer for AWB, after the initial £40 million was rejected. The next day United are edging closer to AWB. On June 19th United are locked in talks. On June 20 AWB's head is turned and United are closing in on a £50 million deal. On June 21st United are confident that they can prise AWB away for £60 million, with the deal set to be announced within 48 hours.
Then on June 22 AWB is rumoured to be on his way to United, who are on the verge of agreeing a £42.5 million fee. Oh, and in another article it is reported that talks have been ramped up. On June 23 we are told that AWB favours a United move and that his medical is scheduled for this week. The deal is now worth £55 million.
On June 24 we're having crunch talks.
On January 17th United join the chase and on February 28th they start preparing a bid to make a summer move for AWB. One month later, on March 27th, Palace are bracing themselves as United line up a stunning swoop for AWB, and four days later it is revealed that United have now targeted the player (again...) On April fools day United are ready to spend £35 million on him and on the 3rd it is reported that United are now keen on AWB (oi...) and that they have been given the green light!
On April 18th OGS reveals that Wan-Bissaka is on his short-list and on May 2nd we are reminded that United are targeting AWB (?!). Then again on May 15th. This time OGS says AWB is a favorite of his. On May 16th United are ready to pay £50 million for AWB and Patrick van Aanholt. On May 18th Palace put a £60 million price-tag on the former.
On May 22nd United push to sign Wan-Bissaka and are preparing a £25 million offer. On the same day, however, it is written that AWB will join United in a deal worth £55 million, after we reach an agreement with Palace. On May 23rd United agree personal terms with the player.
On June 11th United prepare to make an improved offer for AWB, after the initial £40 million was rejected. The next day United are edging closer to AWB. On June 19th United are locked in talks. On June 20 AWB's head is turned and United are closing in on a £50 million deal. On June 21st United are confident that they can prise AWB away for £60 million, with the deal set to be announced within 48 hours.
Then on June 22 AWB is rumoured to be on his way to United, who are on the verge of agreeing a £42.5 million fee. Oh, and in another article it is reported that talks have been ramped up. On June 23 we are told that AWB favours a United move and that his medical is scheduled for this week. The deal is now worth £55 million.
On June 24 we're having crunch talks.
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I don't think its that. He's come in and seen what a disunited mess the dressing room is, how many unmotivated and weak willed players we have, and wants a British core to be the central part of it. He's going after talented young British players to build a foundation of continuity for years to come. Naturally that base will be added to with talented players from all countries as we go along. I'm sure we'll sign some foreign players in this window too.
I'm all for it. However, we're being ripped off by everyone, either pay what Palace are asking or move on. We've wasted a lot of time on AWB and still need 3 other signings if we're serious about making top 4 next season.
This is literally just a guess. There's nothing that even remotely supports that theory. You might as well could've theorised we pick our transfer targets based on their star signs and dick length and it would hold as much water as your conjecture.
Dressing room unity is an important thing. It's something that Pep takes very seriously. At City he installed a circular dressing room to combat against cliques and banned the speaking of any languages except for English.
I think Ole's approach does hark back to his time when he played here. The co92 were the one constant of Fergie's reign from 93 until the day he retired. Then you had other long serving dressing room leaders like Keane and Rio.
I do feel it's high risk because of the English premium and also because the players are not yet top level established. That said, you're getting quoted £120m for Joao Felix these days and our post Fergie run of buying from abroad has led us to this point.
Personally I'm on the fence with AWB as I don't hold some of the same concerns as others about him. His personality is supposed to be highly professional and steady but he's quiet so no leader.
The word is Palace are looking nearly £70 million for him.
I guess they're including the demand to waive the Zaha clause that is probably worth about £15m.
I think we'd be crazy to accept that. They bought him for peanuts from us. I think we should leave a a final offer on the table at £50m and walk away if they don't want it. Ceding to all these demands just puts on the back foot even more in future transfers.
United are not in the position to bargain. We can do that later when we're back winning things.
Just pay up and give Solskjaer a good team. Winning will attract every players in the world
Just pay up and give Solskjaer a good team. Winning will attract every players in the world
Valencia under Van Gaal and then before his body gave up on him under Mourinho was one of the best right backs in world football. Far too many here were steadfastly hung up on the notion that he was out of position, somehow managing to ignore his consistently high performance levels in that role. Quite simply, he was better as a right back than he ever was as a winger. If Wan-Bissaka can give us something similar - and for a decade - then he will have been a resounding success.
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