Fees are higher now, we’re paying for potential, and his wages will be far lower than Walker
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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No they play a flat 442 with genuine wingers
How is getting more years of service more ridiculous?
If AWB settled at United, you get potentially 10 years from him. All being well of course.
Plus inflation in the last couple of years has went through the roof.
Not against it, it's just a concern how much of the reported £200 million budget would be gone already if we go to £60 million for him, we need so much this summer.
Defensively, he’s unrivalled in the PL (and beyond perhaps), and overall was probably only second to Trent in the league last season.
I just think his lack of offensive contribution can’t be overlooked. I’m not even obsessed with goals and assists. More the comfort on the ball, ability to carry the ball at speed, which would allow him to link with the right winger and be on the same wavelength.
I’ve said it before, but I still secretly with we kept and developed Varela. Loved watching him during his break out period with us, and after getting skinned by Coutinho once, he was discarded. Technically, he was brilliant running with the ball and dribbling though, and his crossing was first-class - he racked up a few assists in his brief spell in the team too. Anyway, water under the bridge now, and he hasn’t kicked on since leaving, but I do think margins are so fine with a young players career, and one small event could change the course of your future. Think it could have gone differently for him here.
I just think his lack of offensive contribution can’t be overlooked. I’m not even obsessed with goals and assists. More the comfort on the ball, ability to carry the ball at speed, which would allow him to link with the right winger and be on the same wavelength.
I’ve said it before, but I still secretly with we kept and developed Varela. Loved watching him during his break out period with us, and after getting skinned by Coutinho once, he was discarded. Technically, he was brilliant running with the ball and dribbling though, and his crossing was first-class - he racked up a few assists in his brief spell in the team too. Anyway, water under the bridge now, and he hasn’t kicked on since leaving, but I do think margins are so fine with a young players career, and one small event could change the course of your future. Think it could have gone differently for him here.
50. Take it or leave it.
If they don't accept go in for the PSG lad and give Dalot, Laird and O'Connor a go at the permanent spot at RB.
If they don't accept go in for the PSG lad and give Dalot, Laird and O'Connor a go at the permanent spot at RB.
Players in their prime typically cost more. Also I don't think AWB has as much potential as you say. To me he is just another overhyped English player who lacks basic football skills.
This.
Palace are in a very strong position to hold out. We can't have a long, drawn out saga over an incredibly expensive right back when we have so many key positions to fill.
I'll absolutely understand if we go and get Meunier for €25m, I think we all will.
Bit of a silly comment. He needs to improve doesnt mean hes totally crap at it. He ticks all the boxes but needs improvement in those areas. He is in a position to become a formidable fullback in a year or 2.
Just like Trent who needs to improve his defensive positioning which is also one of the most important attributes for his position.
You dont’t expect a 21 year old after his first full season to have absolutely everything nailed
Also then obsession with fullbacks who are wingers who cannot actually defend when we have one of the poorest defensive in the top 6 is a bit silly. Its not just a CB issue
I’d rather go for someone else. Liverpool pick up a left back for 8m we blow 50m on someone with everything to prove still. We appear to be paying end product prices. We might as well replace the scouting team with 5 teenage united fans...the same players would get a mention.
IMHO we should steer clear of Wan Bissaka this year, he is very young and it's not going to hurt us if we have to wait another year and the hype is way too much right now what with him being English too.
Plus his biggest attribute is defence and I don't think his price is going to increase that much next year even if he has a similar season.
Plus his biggest attribute is defence and I don't think his price is going to increase that much next year even if he has a similar season.
Does not m are sense at all...especially when you have Dalot.
For those saying that it will take time to develop Liard, they should consider that even if we spunk 60million on this guy, most probably he ll need half a to one season to adjust...
45m should be our max. For half the price you can get someone like Meunier, even Atal. The lad is not worth 50m, as much as I like him.
Never said he should be a complete player by now however his passing looks genuinely terrible, I don't think you can improve it much.
His passing is not terrible.
Palace turned down our 25m bid. Fair enough. It was too low. But 40m is a good offer. We shouldn't offer more than 45m. We really need to stop paying ridiculous fees for players, especially if there are cut price alternatives available like Meunier.
Dalot didn't really convince last season, the fact Ole played him further forward, and he couldn't shift the hopeless Young form the RW tells you where he is just now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dalot loaned if we get a few players in.
If we buy him then he's straight in the team, I can't see that he'd need to time to adjust, but £60 m seems too much, especially as Meunier is there for the taking, I'd rather spend the big bucks on a CB and a RW player personally.
Exactly
Fees aren't and shouldn't be higher
That summer when Pep spent 125m on FB's and Neymar went to PSG was mental and should have been a one off
I don’t think we have a budget. If the likes of De Ligt & Sancho would be available, we’d be paying top dollar for them. Depends on who’s available.
Not if you consider resale value.
This is obvious posturing from Palace.
Look at us, supporters, we’re rejecting bids for our best players.
Expect him to be at the club for a slightly bigger fee soon enough.
To show you the madness, Joao Cancelo will cost City less.
We are not a midtable club (at least not yet) to consider the resale value.
People talk so much about Cancelo but why do Juve want to sell him after only a year? Surely there must be something wrong with Cancelo.
Why are we so stupid? Mbabu was for 9 million...
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Thats the sad part
Yeah possibly additional 6 years of service is ridiculous.
I am not fussed about have two first choice fullbacks who have question marks over their attacking ability.
There is more and more money in Football why should it have been a one off?
I will believe it when I see it.
If that’s true, I imagine it’d get sorted for about £45m raising to £60m with add-ons such as United winning the league etc
Wan Bissaka is more defansive and Dalot is more ofensive. I think those two can complement each other and fighting for that spot two of them can make a big progres.
Same reason they sold Pogba and will probably sell Dybala. They prefer to sell when they'll get maximum value rather than offer a player market rate contract.
AWB would be fine, as most teams including City and Liverpool turn into a 2-3-5 when attacking. Signing him would mean we would be able to replicate this, and it explains the Bruno Fernandes links as I'll explain later. The 2-3-5 helps both teams overload in attack, the 5 are burdened with attacking responsibilities and push high up the pitch, whereas the 3 behind are expected to contribute heavily in both attack and defence. When play is on the left hand side, you'll see the left sided player in the "3" push forward to support, and the same on the opposite side. However the prime function of the 3 is to cover for the 2 centre backs and protect against the counter, and in both teams they aggressively press the opposition midfield to win the ball back.
City:
Sane--Silva--Aguero--KDB--Sterling
-----LB------Fernandinho---Walker
----------Laporte----Stones--------
Liverpool
Robertson--Mane--Firmino--Salah--Trent
------Milner---Fabinho---Henderson------
------------VVD-----------Gomez---------
Utd currently
Martial--Pogba--Rashford--Lingard--Young
--------Shaw----Matic-----McTominay
------------Lindelof-----Smalling--------
The problem we currently have:
1) Structurally it's too mixed in comparison to City/Liverpool, this is why we're prone to conceding from counter attacks. We have a weird combination of defenders and midfielders in the two lines, which means it's much harder to retain defensive shape once the attack breaks down
2) Right side is dodgy on the ball, and will be improved upon with the players we're linked with.
Utd with new signings
Martial--Pogba--Rashford--Bruno--New RW
------Shaw-----Matic-------AWB------
-------Ball playing CB-------Lindelof------
You can already see why this would be so much more balanced, and signing AWB/Bruno would bring us closer to City's attacking shape. As Shaw isn't great going forward, and neither is AWB, we need a penetrating right wing, and a centre mid that gets forward like Pogba which explains the Bruno Fernandes links. We will also be able to retain possession and build from the back so much better with a ball playing centre back such as De Ligt or Koulibaly, and our new structure would prevent us from being so open on the counter attack.
Sorry for the long post, but I've seen so many people complain about AWB's offensive qualities, and he would be perfect for this system, which is why I really want to see us sign him!
City:
Sane--Silva--Aguero--KDB--Sterling
-----LB------Fernandinho---Walker
----------Laporte----Stones--------
Liverpool
Robertson--Mane--Firmino--Salah--Trent
------Milner---Fabinho---Henderson------
------------VVD-----------Gomez---------
Utd currently
Martial--Pogba--Rashford--Lingard--Young
--------Shaw----Matic-----McTominay
------------Lindelof-----Smalling--------
The problem we currently have:
1) Structurally it's too mixed in comparison to City/Liverpool, this is why we're prone to conceding from counter attacks. We have a weird combination of defenders and midfielders in the two lines, which means it's much harder to retain defensive shape once the attack breaks down
2) Right side is dodgy on the ball, and will be improved upon with the players we're linked with.
Utd with new signings
Martial--Pogba--Rashford--Bruno--New RW
------Shaw-----Matic-------AWB------
-------Ball playing CB-------Lindelof------
You can already see why this would be so much more balanced, and signing AWB/Bruno would bring us closer to City's attacking shape. As Shaw isn't great going forward, and neither is AWB, we need a penetrating right wing, and a centre mid that gets forward like Pogba which explains the Bruno Fernandes links. We will also be able to retain possession and build from the back so much better with a ball playing centre back such as De Ligt or Koulibaly, and our new structure would prevent us from being so open on the counter attack.
Sorry for the long post, but I've seen so many people complain about AWB's offensive qualities, and he would be perfect for this system, which is why I really want to see us sign him!
If this guy is so good, why is one of the biggest clubs in the world happy to let him go?
Cancelo might not be able to adapt to the PL. He’s a bigger gamble than Wan Bissaka imo.
What’s ridiculous is them buying another RB for 50m+ pound after buying two RBs for 100m 2 years ago.
With that strategy you'd think they'd only buy up and coming players. But they were heavily linked with a Pogba return.
It is mad money, but as soon as City paid £50m odd for Kyle Walker, who wasn't going to have a massive sell on at the end of his deal, the bar had been set.
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