[AFC NimbleThumb]

Wan Bissake came from Palace
The Scouting team said they scouted 200+ right backs
£50 million down the drain
& Wan Bissaka is crap again

 

[ElBarto]

he would be great at a south asian sport called "Kabadi".

 

[izak]

Absolute Garbage this guy, can't pass the ball to save his life.

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

Absolute Garbage this guy, can't pass the ball to save his life.

or beat a man on a dribble

 

[The United]

He seemed rusty with his passing which I can understand.

But what bothered me was how he jogged back slowly to get back to the position after losing the ball carelessly a few times. I mean a game like today should be used to prove that he can play ahead of Dalot.

I remember a moment where Burno ran past AWB to defend on that side in the second half while AWB was the one who lost the ball, yet jogging back slowly.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

He seemed rusty with his passing which I can understand.

But what bothered me was how he jogged back slowly to get back to the position after losing the ball carelessly a few times. I mean a game like today should be used to prove that he can play ahead of Dalot.

I remember a moment where Burno ran past AWB to defend on that side in the second half while AWB was the one who lost the ball, yet jogging back slowly.

He always does that. He oozes lethargy

 

[Abraxas]

Thought his effort in patches was breathtakingly poor considering you would have thought this is a chance to say to the manager he's the man. Some of the lackadaisical outputs when we required him to get back did my head in.

Dalot should come back in for that reason alone, nevermind the passing. This guy has the potential to cost us the tie against Atletico as that's the type of thing they'll ruthlessly try to exploit.

 

[Jackal981]

Do you got another one when we got bombed on the right side and Bruno literally ran back to the right side from the middle while he just jog in the middle of the pitch like Cantona ?

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

He seemed rusty with his passing which I can understand.

But what bothered me was how he jogged back slowly to get back to the position after losing the ball carelessly a few times. I mean a game like today should be used to prove that he can play ahead of Dalot.

I remember a moment where Burno ran past AWB to defend on that side in the second half while AWB was the one who lost the ball, yet jogging back slowly.

I saw this too! I thought he was injured for a second but no, pure laziness.

 

[bond19821982]

Why did he not get closer to James for the second goal ? 2 people were covering James and yet he had enough time to run and cross.

It's not like you are dealing with Messi here. Of all the people, he should know what James is capable of.

 

[Andersonson]

I dont get why we bought him and sold Darmian. Both are best defensively, but Darmian is a better passer. Dalot might be better, but he isn't really the answer either. Neither of them are top quality

 

[Himannv]

AWB has contributed more than Dalot ever has for united. Dalot is just getting his first real run in the RB spot after being binned by more than one manager. I like Dalot mind, but hes yet to play at the top level AWB has in red.

AWB has done nothing of note during his entire United career apart from tackling well and relying on that alone to get him out of trouble. He doesn't track back, he can't pass, he can't cross, he loses the ball easily when under pressure, his touch is nonsense, he has zero awareness of dangerous situations, and his reading of the game is well below what you'd expect from a decent defender let alone a great one. In a small handful of games, Dalot has shown much more than this guy ever has.

 

[hobbers]

AWB has contributed more than Dalot ever has for united. Dalot is just getting his first real run in the RB spot after being binned by more than one manager. I like Dalot mind, but hes yet to play at the top level AWB has in red.

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

 

[CloneMC16]

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

That is complete bullshit.

 

[Sky1981]

I dont get why we bought him and sold Darmian. Both are best defensively, but Darmian is a better passer. Dalot might be better, but he isn't really the answer either. Neither of them are top quality

We have a clueless manager who I suspect doesn't even know what he's buying.

 

[Red_toad]

That is complete bullshit.

Isnt it very weird how we win a really exciting game and people are on the Caf making things up that didn’t happen in the game to berate their usual targets.

 

[Jackal981]

Wan Bissake came from Palace
The Scouting team said they scouted 800+ right backs
£50 million down the drain
& Wan Bissaka is crap again

Fixed that for you . Simon Wells and our whole scouting team who chose him should get the sack for that offense alone.

 

[lysglimt]

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

I think you forgot your medicine this morning

 

[leon24]

To be honest I thought most of us here were praising him to the right back (for his tackling attributes) we were sorely lacking of in his first season at the club, and all he needed was to improve on his offensive skills.

I thought what he’s lacking off now is his confidence, and also to continue to work on his offensive skills, but nowhere to the level that’s mentioned by some here.

 

[flappyjay]

Isnt it very weird how we win a really exciting game and people are on the Caf making things up that didn’t happen in the game to berate their usual targets.

Others even had out for De Gea probably those who favor Henderson. Leeds had to score a freak goal to get into the game and David didn't even have to make outstanding saves. I would say the back line did a decent job.

 

[United in sin]

AWB has done nothing of note during his entire United career apart from tackling well and relying on that alone to get him out of trouble. He doesn't track back, he can't pass, he can't cross, he loses the ball easily when under pressure, his touch is nonsense, he has zero awareness of dangerous situations, and his reading of the game is well below what you'd expect from a decent defender let alone a great one. In a small handful of games, Dalot has shown much more than this guy ever has.

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

Complete horseshit. He's bossed the likes of Neymar, Mbappe, Mahrez and Sterling

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ted-man-utd-man-of-the-match-in-win-over-city


WIDESPREAD PRAISE

Speaking to us after the final whistle, a beaming Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was full of praise for his summer signing from Crystal Palace. “Aaron, he's playing against Sterling out there, Mahrez out there, De Bruyne out there, and they just couldn't get past him,” said the manager.

Rashford also pointed to the performance of his English team-mate, saying: “Everyone put the work in and worked as hard as they could. In the end that is why we won the game. The one-v-one battles, especially with the full-backs were unbelievable and Aaron especially was top notch.”

https://www.blamefootball.com/2020/...-pocketed-kylian-mbappe-during-psg-vs-united/




https://www.redcafe.net/threads/aaron-wan-bissaka-2020-21-performances.457036/page-17#post-26246057



Please come back after Dalot produces a few performances like these in our upcoming games against Atletico, Liverpool, Spurs and City in March

 

[roonster09]

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

Bullshit. He took many wingers out of the game and sterling must be sick of AWB already. He played well and then he was poor too.

 

[hobbers]

Please come back after Dalot produces perfmances like this in our upcoming games against Atletico, Liverpool, Spurs and City in March

When was the last time AWB put in a performance like in those two isolated games?

Not that the clips are particularly impressive in the first place. One bit of proactive defending is more impressive than a dozen last ditch slide tackles. And they don't make up for all the lost possession, all the lost attacking momentum, all the invited pressure, the times out of position, the times ball watching, all the 50/50s lost, all the headers he doesnt even attempt.

At least we know Dalot will get the chance to in those upcoming games, provided he's fit, because Rangnick recognises that even a mediocre plodder like Dalot is a better option than AWB.

 

[United in sin]

When was the last time AWB put in a games?

Not that the clips are particularly impressive in the first place. One bit of proactive defending is more impressive than a dozen last ditch slide tackles. And they don't make up for all the lost possession, all the invited pressure, or the times out of position, all the times ball watching, all the 50/50s lost, all the headers he doesnt even attempt.

You said AWB has contributed feck all which is not true. You're disingenuous. When has Dalot produced anything close to that for united?

He was even laughed off on loan at Milan last season. Not to say he hasn't improved under RR but AWB haters like yourself are salivating at every average the course performance he puts out.

Again, if Dalot can produce anything close to what AWB achieved in those games in our upcoming big matches I'll gladly give him his props.

 

[Kostov]

AWB has been rubbish in almost every game he's ever played for United. He's contributed feck all.

If AWB is the top level then we belong in the bottom 5.

You clearly need a reality check. Did you miss the game AWB pocketed half of PSG attack just last year?

 

[Telsim]

Meh, I think he is good as back-up to Dalot and to keep a fire under his ass. And if he becomes better at some point simply swap them, though I think Dalot can develop his game a lot further. Neither are exactly brilliant options at present, but they will do for now. That being said, I wouldn't mind fleecing Arsenal out of Tomiyasu.

 

[Bebestation]

Bullshit. He took many wingers out of the game and sterling must be sick of AWB already. He played well and then he was poor too.

One of my favourite United performances of all time + his performance vs PSG

 

[gregor]

There was only one positive thing from him yesterday - tackling. And we know that he is one of the best in the world in this aspect of the game.

Everything else was terrible. His passing, positioning, tracking back were awful, almost comical. There was one sequence where he and McT were battling for the ball in the middle of the pitch and neither of them could get hold of the ball. It was really sad to see two players so technically limited playing for United. Pitch was not in good condition but you won't see something like that from City, Pool, or Chelsea players.

 

[Bebestation]

There was only one positive thing from him yesterday - tackling. And we know that he is one of the best in the world in this aspect of the game.

Everything else was terrible. His passing, positioning, tracking back were awful, almost comical. There was one sequence where he and McT were battling for the ball in the middle of the pitch and neither of them could get hold of the ball. It was really sad to see two players so technically limited playing for United. Pitch was not in good condition but you won't see something like that from City, Pool, or Chelsea players.

Rubbish.

Lukaku. Minamino.

 

[Himannv]

Complete horseshit. He's bossed the likes of Neymar, Mbappe, Mahrez and Sterling

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ted-man-utd-man-of-the-match-in-win-over-city


WIDESPREAD PRAISE

Speaking to us after the final whistle, a beaming Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was full of praise for his summer signing from Crystal Palace. “Aaron, he's playing against Sterling out there, Mahrez out there, De Bruyne out there, and they just couldn't get past him,” said the manager.

Rashford also pointed to the performance of his English team-mate, saying: “Everyone put the work in and worked as hard as they could. In the end that is why we won the game. The one-v-one battles, especially with the full-backs were unbelievable and Aaron especially was top notch.”

https://www.blamefootball.com/2020/...-pocketed-kylian-mbappe-during-psg-vs-united/




https://www.redcafe.net/threads/aaron-wan-bissaka-2020-21-performances.457036/page-17#post-26246057



Please come back after Dalot produces a few performances like these in our upcoming games against Atletico, Liverpool, Spurs and City in March

Alright, point taken - he's had a few good games. Now if we're looking at improvement points for him it would be these:

- Tracking back.
- General passing
- Improve crossing
- Be better on the ball when under pressure
- Have better touch
- Better awareness of danger to the defence
- Better game awareness
- Reading of the game.

Now I think he was improving a little on being better on the ball when under pressure and he was trying to improve his crossing with somewhat limited results, but apart from that, he's not really made much improvement since he got here on any of the above.

I'm not saying Dalot is some kind of amazing RB or anything, he's not. But if I am to compare the two and identify the areas where AWB excels, they'd be tackling and debatably man-marking. In every other area, you'd probably give the edge to Dalot.

I'm not one of those who puts the boot into AWB every game, in fact I rarely complain and give him the benefit of the doubt with hope that he'd improve. There comes a time, however, when you'd hope he's improved in the areas he's been lacking, and he hasn't for as long as he's been here, so you have to understand the frustration.

 

[Lynty]

He's been fine. Never worth £50m - but after seeing Valencia (long into his decline) Young and Darmian there, he's a clear upgrade. Anyone who claims that Rafael was producing any more consitent performances is having a serious case of nostalgia.

Walker and Cancelo was at fault for some woeful defending on Saturday. If AWB did anything similar, you'd have fans on here ready to have him lynched.

He's been rightly benched for poor form, lets hope he re-discovers something and pushes on. We still need a Striker and a CDM before we go looking for a world class right back, so any discussion about replacing him is pointless.

 

[sullydnl]

More than the quality (which you can always misjudge) it's deciding to buy the type of RB AWB is that puzzles me.

Even if we imagine he turned out as well as he could turn out, he was always going to be a defensive fullback who was limited technically. Which is an odd direction to shift your team in the long-run at a time when as much or more is demanded from fullbacks on the ball than ever before. When players like Trent, Robertson, Cancelo, James, etc. are the typical leading PL fullbacks it's an odd choice to opt for someone who even if he works out doesn't fit that typical profile.

It would be like scouting hundreds of goalkeepers when the time comes to replace De Gea only to buy another shot-stopper who is weak in terms of distribution, sweeping, etc. Even if they're ultimately very good at being the type of player they are, opting for that type of player suggests a lack of vision in terms of what the ideal side you're building towards needs to look like.

Because it was fairly predictable that if a new manager replaced Solskjaer at any point who did want those now-typical qualities from his fullbacks then AWB could be in trouble, even if he was playing well as he could as a defensive fullback. His poor form just meant it happened quicker than it might have otherwise. Hell even under Solskjaer we were already eyeing up Trippier in the summer.

I don't know if it was a lack of understanding of what was needed in the role on our part, a midjudgement of the type of player AWB was or a misbelief in the amount of technical improvement we could project ahead for him once he arrived here. Odd, odd investment of so much money.

 

[#07]

More than the quality (which you can always misjudge) it's deciding to buy the type of RB AWB is that puzzles me.

Even if we imagine he turned out as well as he could turn out, he was always going to be a defensive fullback who was limited technically. Which is an odd direction to shift your team in the long-run at a time when as much or more is demanded from fullbacks on the ball than ever before. When players like Trent, Robertson, Cancelo, James, etc. are the typical leading PL fullbacks it's an odd choice to opt for someone who even if he works out doesn't fit that typical profile.

It would be like scouting hundreds of goalkeepers when the time comes to replace De Gea only to buy another shot-stopper who is weak in terms of distribution, sweeping, etc. Even if they're ultimately very good at being the type of player they are, opting for that type of player suggests a lack of vision in terms of what the ideal side you're building towards needs to look like.

Because it was fairly predictable that if a new manager replaced Solskjaer at any point who did want those now-typical qualities from his fullbacks then AWB could be in trouble, even if he was playing well as he could as a defensive fullback. His poor form just meant it happened quicker than it might have otherwise. Hell even under Solskjaer we were already eyeing up Trippier in the summer.

I don't know if it was a lack of understanding of what was needed in the role on our part, a midjudgement of the type of player AWB was or a misbelief in the amount of technical improvement we could project ahead for him once he arrived here. Odd, odd investment of so much money.

You've identified Manchester United's number one flaw in the transfer market: We don't have a clue.

Its not just that we are bad at buying players and pay far over the odds on fees and wages, we have no idea what type of team we want to be. The widely briefed criteria of what we're looking for in a permanent manager are nothing more than buzzwords. Plays attacking football, puts faith in youth. What does any of that mean?

There's seemingly nobody at Old Trafford who has a plan for the club. Nobody saying: We need to become X type of team. Honestly, how are we carrying out a managerial search if we don't even know what type of team we want to be. Takes two of the names floated for the job: Lopetegui and Pochettino. Both good coaches but two totally different coaches, with very different styles. How are you going to recruit if you don't even know what type of football you want to play. Wan-Bissaka probably would've done a decent imitation Ivanovic job for a Mourinho team. However, beyond that...?

The club should have an idea of where it wants to go and recruit coaches and players to fit that. Instead the club has no idea where it wants to go, chases big name coaches in the hope they'll provide an answer and ends up with a confused recruitment strategy as a result.

 

[Oranges038]

Walker and Cancelo was at fault for some woeful defending on Saturday. If AWB did anything similar, you'd have fans on here ready to have him lynched.

Both goals came down his side, on one he was nowhere to be seen and the other both he and Lingard did less than nothing to stop the cross.

He should be getting bashed for it. Dalot isn't great but he's a clear upgrade on this clown. He's a woeful footballer. Who shouldn't be anywhere near the club.

 

[Long Time Red]

He's been fine. Never worth £50m - but after seeing Valencia (long into his decline) Young and Darmian there, he's a clear upgrade. Anyone who claims that Rafael was producing any more consitent performances is having a serious case of nostalgia.

Walker and Cancelo was at fault for some woeful defending on Saturday. If AWB did anything similar, you'd have fans on here ready to have him lynched.

He's been rightly benched for poor form, lets hope he re-discovers something and pushes on. We still need a Striker and a CDM before we go looking for a world class right back, so any discussion about replacing him is pointless.

Pretty much nailed it.

There's a cohort on here that have already decided some players have had a shit game before kickoff and will use any mistake to justify slating them.

AWB was far from bad yesterday.

He was an incredibly consistent in his first 2 seasons and now his form and his confidence have dropped off we'll see what he's made of.

 

[Andycoleno9]

How can someone have watched that game and thought he did well? I'm genuinely befuddled.

Because standards are low. If player doesn't feck up something and does basic things, he played well these days. If he adds few tackles and kisses a badge then he is Motm. Look at McT thread. He also played "well" against Leeds.

 

[Solius]

He always does that. He oozes lethargy

I can't work out if it's just his gait or if he's genuinely just a bit lazy because I feel like I've never seem him sprint.

 

[2cents]

One of my favourite United performances of all time + his performance vs PSG

sorry, I know some of the criticism here is a bit over the top, but do you really think of AWB when you look back at top United performances over the years?

 

[Ayoba]

He's ok, a good tackler but we absolutely need an upgrade. Look at all the top teams, they all have world class full backs. Walker, Cancelo, James, TAA, the scottish dog, hakimi etc. Our full backs are not in the same league as them!

 

[Bebestation]

sorry, I know some of the criticism here is a bit over the top, but do you really think of AWB when you look back at top United performances over the years?

Not really, I wasn't talking for everyone else but it's one of my favourite personal performances to have watched the way wan bissaka cut down the likes of Sterling Neymar and Mbappe.

Other players I loved the performances of was Daley Blind during his partnership with Smalling, Pogba vs City etc