Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Scrumpet said:
It's in the books he asks that. In the show he asks Joffrey to marry Marge.

I think the change makes sense. Raising Sansa's hopes even higher before they crush them again.
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It doesn't make sense though does it. Margaery isn't in the habit of crushing Sansa's hopes. She's being sincere. She knows the benefit of having Sansa in here family.

It doesn't make sense why Loras isn't a member of the kingsguard. It makes his character now quite pointless. Only thing he's ever been is a knight. Of course he'd become a member of the kingsguard.
 
Snow said:
It doesn't make sense though does it. Margaery isn't in the habit of crushing Sansa's hopes. She's being sincere. She knows the benefit of having Sansa in here family.

It doesn't make sense why Loras isn't a member of the kingsguard. It makes his character now quite pointless. Only thing he's ever been is a knight. Of course he'd become a member of the kingsguard.
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When I said raising her hopes up before crushing them again, I meant the writers, not Margaery. She's being sincere in that she wants Sansa to marry Loras, but Sansa's happiness is far from top priority.

How is Loras' character now pointless if he's supposedly getting married to Sansa? It's the opposite of pointless. It's pointful.
 
Scrumpet said:
When I said raising her hopes up before crushing them again, I meant the writers, not Margaery. She's being sincere in that she wants Sansa to marry Loras, but Sansa's happiness is far from top priority.

How is Loras' character now pointless if he's supposedly getting married to Sansa? It's the opposite of pointless. It's pointful.
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I don't think that it will change that much. Sansa will soon marry Tyrion, while Loras will probably feck off to Dragonstone.

On the other side, why the hell Snake and Arienne have not mentioned yet. I am not sure, but I think that we are at that stage when they should. I liked Snake very much, fecking Gregor Clegane.
 
Revan said:
I don't think that it will change that much. Sansa will soon marry Tyrion, while Loras will probably feck off to Dragonstone.

On the other side, why the hell Snake and Arienne have not mentioned yet. I am not sure, but I think that we are at that stage when they should. I liked Snake very much, fecking Gregor Clegane.
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I know he's not actually going to marry Sansa. They're giving him more to do than he had in the book so I don't get how he can be seen as pointless.

We presumably won't see any of the Martells until season 4 for the wedding.
 
Scrumpet said:
When I said raising her hopes up before crushing them again, I meant the writers, not Margaery. She's being sincere in that she wants Sansa to marry Loras, but Sansa's happiness is far from top priority.

How is Loras' character now pointless if he's supposedly getting married to Sansa? It's the opposite of pointless. It's pointful.
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He is pointless. He was pretty pointless in the books but at least he had a role within the kingdom. In the show he's all of a sudden become irrelevant.
You know well that it's only something Margaery said to Sansa. They can't do anything about it until she's queen so hardly anything will be done about it besides that conversation. Just some empty promises that a chosen few know about.

I don't like these changes that do nothing. Most of the last episode was like that. Was one of the poorest ones in the series. The episodes previous to that one were building up the two fight scenes but everything else that happened wasn't moving anything forward. 30 minutes of it was filler.
 
Snow said:
He is pointless. He was pretty pointless in the books but at least he had a role within the kingdom. In the show he's all of a sudden become irrelevant.
You know well that it's only something Margaery said to Sansa. They can't do anything about it until she's queen so hardly anything will be done about it besides that conversation. Just some empty promises that a chosen few know about.

I don't like these changes that do nothing. Most of the last episode was like that. Was one of the poorest ones in the series. The episodes previous to that one were building up the two fight scenes but everything else that happened wasn't moving anything forward. 30 minutes of it was filler.
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What makes more sense for the show?

a) The Tyrells try to marry Sansa with Willas, a character we have never met and never will meet. Sansa isn't too chuffed but it gets worse when Tywin finds out and marries her to Tyrion. All the while, Loras has been a Kingsguard, doing nothing but standing in the corner and looking pretty.

b) The Tyrells try to marry Sansa to Loras, a character we know reasonably well. Christmas come early for Sansa who is devastated when Tywin finds out and spoils the party by making Loras a member of the Kingsguard, then marries Sansa to Tyrion.

You just don't like changes full stop.
 
Sansa has to have a marriage offer to get her hopes up before the marriage to Tyrion smacks her in the face. I don't see the problem at all in the show changing that from Willas to Loras. The viewers would have just rolled their eyes at yet another name they'll never be able to remember.
 
Scrumpet said:
What makes more sense for the show?

a) The Tyrells try to marry Sansa with Willas, a character we have never met and never will meet. Sansa isn't too chuffed but it gets worse when Tywin finds out and marries her to Tyrion. All the while, Loras has been a Kingsguard, doing nothing but standing in the corner and looking pretty.

b) The Tyrells try to marry Sansa to Loras, a character we know reasonably well. Christmas come early for Sansa who is devastated when Tywin finds out and spoils the party by making Loras a member of the Kingsguard, then marries Sansa to Tyrion.

You just don't like changes full stop.
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I don't like changes that aren't at all necessary. Changes for the sake of dumbing down the show because the audience is "too stupid" to keep up.

You like all the changes full stop. That to me is weird.
 
Snow said:
I don't like changes that aren't at all necessary. Changes for the sake of dumbing down the show because the audience is "too stupid" to keep up.

You like all the changes full stop. That to me is weird.
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Because Sansa will not marry anyone of Tyrells, it is a very small an unimportant change.

There have been many new characters in this season. Just over-complicating things won't help no-one.
 
Revan said:
Because Sansa will not marry anyone of Tyrells, it is a very small an unimportant change.

There have been many new characters in this season. Just over-complicating things won't help no-one.
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It is a small an unimportant change. That was almost the definition of the episode. That's why it annoys me. Small and unimportant changes for the sake of dumbing down the show. They kept Garlan in the show. Could have skipped him. Who cares about the name anyway. I didn't remember it. I knew the dude was Margaery's and Loras' older unwed brother. That's all.
 
The most important part is, will Missandrei get naked in this show?!

I know that in the books she is only 10, but because they have add about 12 years to her in the TV Show, hopefully they have some special plans for her.
 
Only time ygritte will get naked it seems :(
 
Really liked that episode. Ygritte aside, ending it on the Tyrion-Sansa marriage was really nicely done.

Two things that I can't remember from the books - did Robb have plans to attack Casterley Rock, and did Tywin tell Cersei to marry Loras?
 
Don't think so. The only place in that area I remember him attacking was The Crag. As for the other thing, not sure. Haven't actually watched the ep yet.
 
Robb's plan in the books was to go and reclaim the north and feck up some ironborn. It was planned in a fair bit of detail which was quite cruel, making you think it was actually going to happen.
 
Waldner said:
Really liked that episode. Ygritte aside, ending it on the Tyrion-Sansa marriage was really nicely done.

Two things that I can't remember from the books - did Robb have plans to attack Casterley Rock, and did Tywin tell Cersei to marry Loras?
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Nah, Cersei wasn't going to marry loras in the books. Think Tywin said she had to marry someone but he was going to let her have input in the choice (unless she didn't pick in which case he'd choose for her). Think he might have suggested she marry Loras's brother (willas?), the same crippled guy the Tyrells wanted Sansa to marry.
 
sullydnl said:
Nah, Cersei wasn't going to marry loras in the books. Think Tywin said she had to marry someone but he was going to let her have input in the choice (unless she didn't pick in which case he'd choose for her). Think he might have suggested she marry Loras's brother (willas?), the same crippled guy the Tyrells wanted Sansa to marry.
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I think Tywin suggested she marry either Mace or Willas if she wanted someone younger.

Loras was in the kingsguard from the moment the Joffrey-Margery marriage is proposed.
 
Ah right, thanks guys. Only read the books through once so a lot of the minor details escape me.

What I am really interested in seeing regarding the RW is how Arya acts when she and Sandor reach the Twins. I already really rate her a great actress, so seeing her act out that scene (which is really the final turning point for her character in the entire saga) should hopefully be excellent!
 
She was really good in this episode. TV Arya is quite different from book Arya, they seem to tone down the vengefulness and anger but not this week.
 
Arya is good. I don't particularly rate the girl who plays Sansa though. Luckily she doesn't have too many trying scenes, though maybe the bedroom scene with Tyrion will be difficult.
 
Scrumpet said:
She was really good in this episode. TV Arya is quite different from book Arya, they seem to tone down the vengefulness and anger but not this week.
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They've toned it down but then the anger only really comes into its own after she goes off with Sandor, so it would naturally start to pick up at around this time I'd imagine.

Solius said:
Arya is good. I don't particularly rate the girl who plays Sansa though. Luckily she doesn't have too many trying scenes, though maybe the bedroom scene with Tyrion will be difficult.
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I like Sophie Turner. She's supposed to playing this really highborn, almost arrogant-but-naive girl who discovers the world isn't all princes and ponies. I can see why people think she's a bit absent when acting but then her character isn't the most engaging either really.
 
They're doing the Jaime stuff really well. People in the TV thread debating over whether they actually like him or loathe him now. I think that was what I was wondering around this time reading the books too, but by the end of book three he's easily one of my favourite characters.
 
Yep. Didn't hate Jaime that much before I read the books, but he easily became one of my favorite characters during the 'A Storm of Swords'.

The actress who is playing Arya is impressing me, excellent performance by her. In next episodes she will have a more central role and let's see what will happen.
 
By the way Revan, be careful in the TV Thread. I know you're only trying to make conversation there but I can see why someone who hasn't read the books would not like someone who has read them giving insight, and there were loads of complaints about that last year too.
 
Cina said:
By the way Revan, be careful in the TV Thread. I know you're only trying to make conversation there but I can see why someone who hasn't read the books would not like someone who has read them giving insight, and there were loads of complaints about that last year too.
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To be fair, started in defense of Jaime when people were looking to hang him, and didn't give the smallest of spoilers.

Some are over-sensitive though, but I probably should be even more careful.

Was hilarious in an another thread (Top's can you feel it), when someone randomly wrote 'Jon Snow will die'. The only locked thread I have seen in the caf in a while :lol:
 
The Tyrion-Sansa stuff is going to be damn awkward. It's supposed to be of course but I'm not sure I'll be able to handle it.
 
fecking hell, the actress who plays Sansa is only a year older than the actress who plays Arya (17 and 16 years old).

Guess Arya (the actress) is not that young as I thought.
 
Arya does look really young. Surprised that she's 16!

The Jaime discussion should probably stop in the TV thread now though. I'm going to back out of it for fear of saying too much. Aldo's wrong, though.
 
Waldner said:
Arya does look really young. Surprised that she's 16!

The Jaime discussion should probably stop in the TV thread now though. I'm going to back out of it for fear of saying too much. Aldo's wrong, though.
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Of course he is. Jaime is probably only a level below Ser Arthur Dayne (who I think hasn't been mentioned in the TV Show), Barristan Selmy and Robert Barathyan.

Ned was great, but no Jaime.
 
Revan said:
Of course he is. Jaime is probably only a level below Ser Arthur Dayne (who I think hasn't been mentioned in the TV Show), Barristan Selmy and Robert Barathyan.

Ned was great, but no Jaime.
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It's difficult trying to tell him how he's wrong, and why without saying much about the books. It's not anything that's yet to happen in the TV show, its all just stuff that has been omitted up to now!

paceme said:
Ned was largely known for his leadership skills wasn't he? I've never heard him mentioned as a truly great fighter.
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I believe so, but he was still pretty good with a sword. He was the only one, along with Howland Reed, to survive the fight at the Tower of Joy after all. He must've been pretty good to survive that, even if it was 7-on-3.
 
Waldner said:
It's difficult trying to tell him how he's wrong, and why without saying much about the books. It's not anything that's yet to happen in the TV show, its all just stuff that has been omitted up to now!
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I don't think that there is the need to read the books to see which of them was a better swordsman. It's not that Jaime will fight again, we have seen all there is about the fighting from both of them.

paceme said:
Ned was largely known for his leadership skills wasn't he? I've never heard him mentioned as a truly great fighter.
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I think that in the conversation with Barristan Selmy, when Ned said that I was lucky to not fight against you cause my wife would have been a widow then, Barristan said that you were very good too. And Barristan doesn't sound like a person who make compliments to others without being true.
 
paceme said:
Ay but there's no evidence of him even having seen Ned fight. Seems more of a pleasantry.
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Yeah, all we have is that video against Jaime. But, if he wasn't pretty strong, he wouldn't survive Jaime for a minute, even if Jaime wasn't fighting in full strength.

Anyway, he says that Robert was a much better fighter than him, but surely with all that training Ned would have been a good fighter. Ned lead his armies himself, if he wasn't good, he would have been dead long before.
 
The ASOIAF forums are actually really good for debates like that. They've got so long to waste inbetween books that they've somehow managed to make even the most ludicrous theory seem possible (Hot Pie is Azor Ahai :lol: ).
 
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