Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

yes, he should ignore whether or not 'people saw it coming' and just make the best story he can based on the previous information presented in the books.

I heard that he's said before that he hates contrived 'out of nowhere' story telling, so fingers crossed he will stick with what he's set up.
 
Maroon Lucifer said:
I think it might be too late to change Jon from being R+L's kid. He pretty much died at the end of the latest book, and I am guessing that everyone near Castle Black will have a shock when they burn his corpse, seeing as we learned earlier, that that's how dragons are born. And also, by being dead and all, he's free from his oath.
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Even if they've been stabbed to death before?

I wish I hadn't made that visit to that fan forum before, I would have had no idea about Jon's lineage otherwise, if it does turn out to be true. Would have been some surprise.

There was also some theory about Sandor Clegane, which when I went back to read it, seemed quite reasonable as well.
 
Cina said:
They probably won't even remember the Mountain from that because the actor in S2 onwards is different from S1. I agree though, he was the most evil and vile character in the books, even more so than Joffrey, and there's barely been a mention of the man so far.
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I think the most evil and vile character in the books is Ramsay Bolton.
 
I really regret having all this known to me now. It's one of those things - once you hear it, it makes perfect sense. I should have stayed far away from forums.
 
So, what differences were there this week?

A few extra little scenes but I can't think of many, it was a pretty damn good episode.
 
paceme said:
Isn't Theon supposed to be mangled to feck? I have trouble remembering?
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He has until season 5 to get as mangled as he was when he reappeared in the books, they're just taking their time with it I guess. Poor guy's got plenty of punishment waiting for him...
 
Thought I'd made a post in here showing examples of Aegon IV's bastards particularly Bloodraven and Bittersteel why it's entirely logical for Jon to have Stark features. Oh well.
 
africanspur said:
Even if they've been stabbed to death before?

I wish I hadn't made that visit to that fan forum before, I would have had no idea about Jon's lineage otherwise, if it does turn out to be true. Would have been some surprise.

There was also some theory about Sandor Clegane, which when I went back to read it, seemed quite reasonable as well.
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Seen the Sandor theory too. Didn't pick it up when I read and now am glad I've seen it and also sad that I have.
 
Cina said:
So, what differences were there this week?

A few extra little scenes but I can't think of many, it was a pretty damn good episode.
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There weren't many. It was pretty similar to the book. Shit should hit the fan next week. Could possibly have the Karstark beheading, Dany burning Kraznys and taking the Unsullied, Jon & Ygritte cave love, Jeor Mormont being killed, Sam the slayer maybe? I feel like that shit happened before Craster's Keep though.
 
roseguy64 said:
Seen the Sandor theory too. Didn't pick it up when I read and now am glad I've seen it and also sad that I have.
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The theory that he's still alive and at the monastery? I thought that was pretty evident when reading it, especially since Biter was there.
 
I did think that was a fairly obvious possibility as well. Otherwise there was no reason to focus on the big guy there
 
Was expecting more of a reaction to jaime's hand getting cut off. I suppose its seen as more of a significant event by the book readers knowing what happens to him compared to those that just watch the tv series.
 
Snow said:
And then be dumbfounded when she has caused the death of innocents.
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Drainy said:
All her dragons are like her children, but that dragon is her favourite. There is 0% chance they she will leave it behind.
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I'd avoid posting things like these in the other thread. I know it seems like it should be obvious to even those who haven't read the books, but the show did set it up as "No, don't do it, Dany" sort of thing, so if people believe she'll go through with it, you should let them enjoy the surprise.
 
Scrumpet said:
I'd avoid posting things like these in the other thread. I know it seems like it should be obvious to even those who haven't read the books, but the show did set it up as "No, don't do it, Dany" sort of thing, so if people believe she'll go through with it, you should let them enjoy the surprise.
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It wasn't in any way reference to the books. It was in reference to the last episode. Remember when they were telling her that there would not be a war without innocents by the thousands dying. She doesn't want people to get hurt yet she wants war. It was a comment on her naivety.
 
I've only read A Game of Thrones and the first few chapters of A Clash of Kings, I'm nowhere near that part.

I only mentioned that it's her favourite because they had that scene where it showed her being affectionate with that dragon, I don't think it's in her character based on what they showed in the tv show to leave any of her dragons behind and they are clearly telegraphing that she has a plan.
 
Drainy said:
I've only read A Game of Thrones and the first few chapters of A Clash of Kings, I'm nowhere near that part.

I only mentioned that it's her favourite because they had that scene where it showed her being affectionate with that dragon, I don't think it's in her character based on what they showed in the tv show to leave any of her dragons behind and they are clearly telegraphing that she has a plan.
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Oh right, I thought you'd read them all.

...err sorry for spoiling it.
Snow said:
It wasn't in any way reference to the books. It was in reference to the last episode. Remember when they were telling her that there would not be a war without innocents by the thousands dying. She doesn't want people to get hurt yet she wants war. It was a comment on her naivety.
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You were responding to someone who was speculating about what Dany is going to do next. I thought it read like you were agreeing, expanding on his speculation.
 
Drainy said:
I've only read A Game of Thrones and the first few chapters of A Clash of Kings, I'm nowhere near that part.

I only mentioned that it's her favourite because they had that scene where it showed her being affectionate with that dragon, I don't think it's in her character based on what they showed in the tv show to leave any of her dragons behind and they are clearly telegraphing that she has a plan.
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Yet you were discussing the larger spanning Jon Snow theory, so you probably already know Danny doesn't leave her dragon behind.
 
Scrumpet said:
Oh right, I thought you'd read them all.

...err sorry for spoiling it.
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Don't worry, the fact I have come in this thread means I'm personally not bothered by book spoilers. I know some of the major plot points from the later books mostly to do with the Starks and Lannisters, not details like this.

kps88 said:
Yet you were discussing the larger spanning Jon Snow theory, so you probably already know Danny doesn't leave her dragon behind.
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The Jon Snow theory is one of the most discussed things online there are tonnes of clues about it in the first book, "Promise me, Ned", the discussion of the events before the war and it being out of character for Ned to have a bastard/ his actions when talking about the mother with Robert, and in the tv show with Dany's visions in the Tower of the Undying or whatever it was called.

I'll spoiler this, since its TV talk

I wasn't actually aware of whether or not Dany attacks that city before coming into this thread. It's absolutely telegraphed in the show, there is 0% chance that she will leave her most prized dragon, the one who she pets and looks lovingly at, with a man who brutalises people and slaughters babies. Especially since he's going to be left with no army to defend himself and she asked for the translater as a gift, then immediately started asking questions about how loyal the slave army will be to her
 
Scrumpet said:
You were responding to someone who was speculating about what Dany is going to do next. I thought it read like you were agreeing, expanding on his speculation.
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And what does happen next? She kills the slavers doesn't she? And she doesn't moan about the people she kills. So what I said isn't a spoiler because it won't happen. What I commented on was her naivety because it was pretty highlighted in that episode, more so than usual.
 
Scrumpet said:
I'd avoid posting things like these in the other thread. I know it seems like it should be obvious to even those who haven't read the books, but the show did set it up as "No, don't do it, Dany" sort of thing, so if people believe she'll go through with it, you should let them enjoy the surprise.
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I've gone back and spoilered it since its plot speculation.

I probably should have done in the first place, since I don't want to get Wibbled.
 
Driving me absolutely mad how the TV showrunners have completely butchered Stannis' character.
 
MJJ said:
Has drainy read the books? MG posts seem far worse to me.
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I didn't give anything away! All I said was something that happened in the books, that had also already happened in the TV series. I wouldn't say about anything that's going to happen. I mainly just talk about the episode that's just been on rather than speculate about what could happen next. Let the people who haven't read the books speculate. There's no point me doing it, I know what's going to happen (unless they change things slightly), so I'll mainly just talk about the episode that's already been shown.
 
holdsteady said:
Driving me absolutely mad how the TV showrunners have completely butchered Stannis' character.
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I agree. He's not who he is in the books. He's not power hungry, as portrayed in the show.

It reminds me of Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. He, and I assume the writers, failed miserably at capturing his character. It's similar with Stannis. They miss the point of him completely. The Melissandre-Stannis relationship isn't particularly accurate either.



Did you like the Hold Steady's "Bear and the Maiden Fair" though? :cool:
 
MG said:
I didn't give anything away! All I said was something that happened in the books, that had also already happened in the TV series. I wouldn't say about anything that's going to happen. I mainly just talk about the episode that's just been on rather than speculate about what could happen next. Let the people who haven't read the books speculate. There's no point me doing it, I know what's going to happen (unless they change things slightly), so I'll mainly just talk about the episode that's already been shown.
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There's a lot more I could say about this, but I don't want to give stuff away for the non-book readers. She has to say what she's supposed to because she's being watched in King's Landing by the Lannister spies.
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Was talking about this bit.
 
Sir Matt said:
I agree. He's not who he is in the books. He's not power hungry, as portrayed in the show.

It reminds me of Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. He, and I assume the writers, failed miserably at capturing his character. It's similar with Stannis. They miss the point of him completely. The Melissandre-Stannis relationship isn't particularly accurate either.



Did you like the Hold Steady's "Bear and the Maiden Fair" though? :cool:
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Yep, I think that's probably the only main character that they've got a little bit wrong. He isn't power hungry in the books, nor is he a luster for other women. I'm not sure people who just watch the show don't really get the sense that the reason he is in this war is because he believes he is the true heir and nothing to do with doing what's best/ most honourable etc.

Going back to the Jon Snow lineage, I think the major problem for me is his complete lack of Targaryen features. All the others seem to have such striking features. Though I guess he's not fully Targaryen.
 
africanspur said:
Going back to the Jon Snow lineage, I think the major problem for me is his complete lack of Targaryen features. All the others seem to have such striking features. Though I guess he's not fully Targaryen.
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Targaryen traits are not certain to be passed down, which is why they practice incest to keep the blood of the dragon alive. The Baratheon brothers are actually recent descendants from Targaryens. It does state that Baratheon traits are dominant during the first book so that could be irrelevant, but there is no reason why a Stark/Targaryen child couldn't have 100% Stark traits.
 
africanspur said:
Yep, I think that's probably the only main character that they've got a little bit wrong. He isn't power hungry in the books, nor is he a luster for other women. I'm not sure people who just watch the show don't really get the sense that the reason he is in this war is because he believes he is the true heir and nothing to do with doing what's best/ most honourable etc.

Going back to the Jon Snow lineage, I think the major problem for me is his complete lack of Targaryen features. All the others seem to have such striking features. Though I guess he's not fully Targaryen.
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Well, I guess one of the reasons the Targaryens "inbreed" was also because their blood was "weak", in passing characteristics. The blood of Northmen is very strong, so make sense the theory that Jon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's son, the Stark's blood took over, in a way.
 
kps88 said:
My guess is something to do with dragons. They love dragons. "Look at our dragons!"
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Look at our Dragon, our Dragon is amazing. Give it a lick, Mmmm "It's tastes just like raisins"

Maroon Lucifer said:
I think it might be too late to change Jon from being R+L's kid. He pretty much died at the end of the latest book, and I am guessing that everyone near Castle Black will have a shock when they burn his corpse, seeing as we learned earlier, that that's how dragons are born. And also, by being dead and all, he's free from his oath.
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I doubt he's dead, even though headed to that pretty much. Things would only be awesome if he's dead, and he lives in Ghost. Then we'll have a wolf commanding a dragon. Pure win.
 
Non-book readers are going to be pissed when Dany's storyline goes nowhere fast after that. They'll probably expect her to be in Westeros by the end of the season.
 
Yep. Saw a pic of someone on Twitter saying something like "Dany is amazing, shit is going down in Kings Landing soon!".

Poor soul.
 
Perhaps its time for the show to diverge from the books and have Dany and her dragons fly in and set Joffrey aflame.
 
It's weird how they all call her Khaleesi in the TV thread. I suppose they say it a lot more in the show.
 
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