Well I just started the fifth book now, so almost ready to join in the discussion. Was very disappointed by the fourth book, even took me ages to get through it, so I hope the fifth picks it back up again.
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Well I just started the fifth book now, so almost ready to join in the discussion. Was very disappointed by the fourth book, even took me ages to get through it, so I hope the fifth picks it back up again.
Just recently finished reading the last book. I'm thinking Kevan's death will prove Varys right and Aegon will gain a foothold in Westeros. The Tyrells will take charge and end up blundering. Dany will take control of the khalassar and use them to win the battle in front of Mereen swooping in late when Selmy's forces seem lost. She'll be on the way to Westeros by the end of the book. The Others will probably also attack around the end of the book. Davos will find Rickon and cause a whole lot of ruckus during the battle with Stannis and Boltons with Manderly's forces being the first to turn on the Boltons. Stannis eventually gains control of the North.
Thanks, but I've read that a long time ago 
I only just got caught up to Book 3, but holy shit, Catelyn's resurrect at the end was freaking haunting. I'm still not over the Red Wedding yet, so her resurrection gives me hope that all the dickheads in House Frey will get what they so fecking deserve, especially the old slime before he dies of old age.
And thanks for all the heads-up, now I don't feel like reading Book 4 at all. A 1000+ page book is too draining.
And thanks for all the heads-up, now I don't feel like reading Book 4 at all. A 1000+ page book is too draining.
As Gemma said to Jaime Tyrion is his father's son more than the twin is. But like you said his constant rejections and humblings have made him a better more humane person than Tywin ever was. Of all those involved in the Game of Thrones Tyrion would make the best ruler.
I've scrolled down to avoid any spoilers from the most recent book as I'm still on AFFC but what a stupid bitch creepy dead Catelyn/Stoneheart is for hanging Brienne! I thought she may eventually find Sansa but I suppose I also thought Robb would win in the end and I haven't learned from the cruelty that was The Red Wedding. Nobody apart from Cersei seems to get what they want.
Fantastic read though, the whole series is great. I'm just lost in the world Martin has created.
Fantastic read though, the whole series is great. I'm just lost in the world Martin has created.
I don't know whether to open that.
If it's about others getting what they want, I suppose Petyr is the best at that. Everything seems to work out for him so far.
No-one really gets what they want, even Cersei, she's ruling through her children she doesn't want that, she wants to rule, it's just never happening.
I got a feeling in the last book everyone will die, like that meteor will hit the planet and it's all gg.
I got a feeling in the last book everyone will die, like that meteor will hit the planet and it's all gg.
Well I suppose some get more their way than others. There's a lot of injustice.
Will probably avoid this thread til I've properly caught up now.
Will probably avoid this thread til I've properly caught up now.
Solius, stop reading this thread. I won't feel bad if I spoil something for you.
Like how Cersei doesn't have it so great any more.
Like how Cersei doesn't have it so great any more.
Oh Solius you will face many surprises in these novels.
He is good, but the mastermind is someone else.
And for your own good don't come into this thread until you finish them cause if you see a spoiler, it could run the show from you.
He is good, but the mastermind is someone else.
And for your own good don't come into this thread until you finish them cause if you see a spoiler, it could run the show from you.
The only indication of that is Ramsay's letter to Jon. There are obvious elements of truth in it but equally a lot of it is panic driven because he has lost his bride and Reek. Of course he's gonna claim Stannis has fallen, Doesn't necessarily make it so
Brienne is alive I did have second thoughts after I moaned that Catelyn had her hanged. Remembered that she said one word so I'm guessing it was enough to get them to stop. Maybe she said Sansa, or Arya. Will see.
Just read the bit where she's told Jaime to come alone with her to Sansa or The Hound will kill her, which is confusing. I've kind of been hoping he was still alive but I doubt it, even Ser Gregor, just because they're both cool characters. Though it doesn't sound like he could have survived that poison.
I did have second thoughts after I moaned that Catelyn had her hanged. Remembered that she said one word so I'm guessing it was enough to get them to stop. Maybe she said Sansa, or Arya. Will see. Just read the bit where she's told Jaime to come alone with her to Sansa or The Hound will kill her, which is confusing. I've kind of been hoping he was still alive but I doubt it, even Ser Gregor, just because they're both cool characters. Though it doesn't sound like he could have survived that poison.
There is a theory floating around about Ser Gregor still being alive, over in Dorne I think? Can't quite remember.
EDIT: Wait, they brought his skull to Dorne, but there's some new member of the Kingsguard in Kinds Landing or something that never speaks.
EDIT: Wait, they brought his skull to Dorne, but there's some new member of the Kingsguard in Kinds Landing or something that never speaks.
Yep. Also queen Cersei wanted that warrior that never speaks to become a Kingsguard and to fight for her. No-one could have defeat him, said her adviser. So, it must be him, or more likely a Zombie Ser Gregor.
That is the widely accepted current theory - Zombie Clegane. Oh yeah !
To be fair, the Bloody-Nine could take both Clegane's at the same time.
Well I'm fully caught up. These books are fecking awesome.
I really hope Jon isn't dead, but I can't see who would save him there with everyone against him? Plus he'd been stabbed four times. Maybe Tormund? Gah.
I also have the same theory about Robert Strong. Qyburn must have somehow saved Gregor and kept him locked away til he needed him.
I really hope Jon isn't dead, but I can't see who would save him there with everyone against him? Plus he'd been stabbed four times. Maybe Tormund? Gah.
I also have the same theory about Robert Strong. Qyburn must have somehow saved Gregor and kept him locked away til he needed him.
There's no way Jon is dead. None. It would invalidate a whole lot of plot so far, which would just be unthinkable. GRRM does have a reputation for killing off characters, but he hasn't killed off anyone like Jon yet. Ned Stark was in the beginning, to set it all up. Robb was quite a shock, but if you look back he was far from as featured as Jon. He's much more featured in the TV series, which should make it even more shocking to TV viewers. Cat, as we all know, came back as an even bigger bitch.
He's not dead. He might be "dead", but he's not dead.
He's not dead. He might be "dead", but he's not dead.
I've never been a fan of the whole 'bringing people back to life thing'. I thought Catelyn being alive again was a poor choice. Takes away the effect of her death, and anyone's death really if they can just be brought back by R'hllor.
I'm inclined to agree. If GRRM resurrects Jon, then no death is final, and that undercuts the whole gritty, brutally realistic vibe of the books. It really does become fantasy.
That's why I don't think he will. Of course, we don't know that Jon is dead.
It's only little sliced throat, he should walk that shit off like the Kurgen.
The only thing is it's a bit too similar to Robb's death. Bit of a shitty way for him to go if that's it for him. I still hold out hope for a Jon and Arya reunion.
There's a powerful witch on hand. If she gets to him before he bleeds out....
The prologue to ADoD might be a clue as to what might happen to Jon as well.
Well I just finished Dragons last night. Started with the first back in April, and although it's sort of a relief to finally have caught up, it's a sad thought that I have to wait for years before the next one comes.
After Crows I thought I'd never make it through, it was very tedius because of the lack of my favourite characters, but thankfully most of them returned in Dragons.
I agree with both of you. I can't see him being dead (hope not, he's my favourite character in the book even if I didn't like him at all in the TV series before I started reading), but I do not like reviving the dead-stuff at all.
After Crows I thought I'd never make it through, it was very tedius because of the lack of my favourite characters, but thankfully most of them returned in Dragons.
I agree with both of you. I can't see him being dead (hope not, he's my favourite character in the book even if I didn't like him at all in the TV series before I started reading), but I do not like reviving the dead-stuff at all.
Iwan Rheon is going to be an awesome Ramsay.
I just googled him. With short hair he looks exactly like I've pictured the bastard.
Its been a while since I read it but we haven't even had Jon actually dying yet anyway? He was stabbed in the throat, but Mellisandre is on hand and could prevent him actually dying in the first place. Usually there has to be reference to a corpse for someone to be thought of as dead and we haven't had that yet! (Like in TV, if someone doesn't die on screen then they cannot be considered dead).
Winds of Winter is apparently on the way and Martin has said he will not leave it as long to finish as the last two
Winds of Winter is apparently on the way and Martin has said he will not leave it as long to finish as the last two
Well, Jon hasn't been died and I am sure that he won't. He is the prophet that Melissandre always thought that Stannis is. On the other side there is quite a big chance that Stannis is really dead though I hope he is not.
I read them all a few months back and have already forgotten most of it
Missandei and Daario. I guess blue hair was too crazy for HBO.
I read them all a few months back and have already forgotten most of it
Read them again. It's only a few thousand pages in the end.
Missandei and Daario. I guess blue hair was too crazy for HBO.
Interesting how they 'grew up' Missandrei. She was supposed to be 10 years old. Anyway better in this way
I think everyone's older in the TV show so they can have the nudity/sex in it.
Yeah, Danny in the beginning was supposed to be 13-14.