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I was also wondering what people thought about the prophecy about Cersei:

... "I will be queen, though?" asked the younger her.
"Aye." Malice gleamed in Maggys yellow eyes. "Queen
you shall be . . . until there comes another, younger
and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that
you hold dear."

I'm leaning toward Dani, but it could be Queen Marge or possibly Sansa? The comment about beauty seems to suggest a woman.

The generic language doesn't say that this person who casts her down will take her place her place, simply take what she cares about. All she seems to care about is King Tommen, so if someone kills/imprisoned Tommen and casts out Lannister rule then that would be a fulfillment of the prophecy.

The obvious answer seems to be Queen Marge, who already seems to be winning Tommen's heart from his mother. But is that too obvious for GRR Martin?
 
She's already lost pretty much everything, Tommen is the last thread she has to power, can't see Dany killing a kid on purpose. Margery's snatch is haunted so he'll be dying soon.
 
its still up in the air as to whether Dani will follow the mad king route imo, as shes now off with drogon its not beyond the realms she'll have a shift of perspective and become quite brutal. esp when the better targaryen claim comes to her attention.

i'm hoping its sansa who fecks cerseis shit up, the starks still have a role to play in all this despite their now fractured state and under littlefingers guide she could well cause some damage, especially if they unite the northmen behind her
 
I had always assumed that the younger and more beautiful Queen was Sansa. It makes most sense in my view, she with the help of Littlefinger (who she later screws over) will get some revenge on Cersei.

In terms of the immediate future, Cersei will survive but Margery may not. Cersei is there to outlive her kids. I think the Faith will kill Margery, Anne Boleyn style.

The interesting part of the prophecy for me is who the valonquor is. The obvious answer and the one Cersei suspects is Tyrion.
 
I'm interested to see if Bran can pull some strings from his underground lair. There have been signs of him being able to communicate through Trees and Birds and I'd be interested to see if his powers become strong enough to really communicate with the rest of the Stark clan.
 
Sansa marrying Aegon would end the whole thing the way it started, conveniently enough. :lol:
 
gooDevil said:
Yeah, I have to agree with all that. Stannis is an interesting character and more of him and Jon would have been interesting. We didn't get a payoff with his character, just a death teaser, like with Jon.

Jon's story was definitely a bit boring, hard to believe that we haven't seen an other or a white walker in 2 books, and nothing crucial was done to deal with them. The politics of the wall and the wildlings isn't nearly as interesting as the Lannister intrigue.

Tyrion is my favorite character but I didn't enjoy the parts where he was enslaved. Martin seems very concerned with realism, we get some magic and some amazing results, but mostly things play out in a brutal way where the 'bad guys' generally get their way. So a dwarf alone in the world was always going to be captured.

I suppose that realism makes it all the more exciting when something works out for the better. The later books seem much more dense than the first book, where I never felt overwhelmed with plot points seemingly for their own sake, or for the sake of realism.
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We did see more white walkers. Bran and co had to deal with them and Coldhands is one.
 
Snow said:
We did see more white walkers. Bran and co had to deal with them and Coldhands is one.
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I meant that I expected the zombies to be attacking the wall by now, you'd think with them approaching at the end of book 2 [or was that book 3?] that you'd have them at the wall by the end of book 5. Sam had time to make it back and sail to another continent since the big zombie battle and they still aren't to the wall.
 
That's too in there. The walkers have been in the back seat this whole time. Despite them appearing in a big group attacking the Crows there was barely any commentary on it. Just Sam running away describing what happened in his head.

So far what we know is that they come with a snowstorm so if/when they attack the wall expect the same thing to happen. No one will see shit.

Can't see it being hard to defend against them. The wall has a small opening. Chuck fire at them. They aren't going crawl over the wall.
 
The Wall has to be that big for a reason. I'm sure the supernatural abilities of the White Walkers will equate to more than just immunity to normal blades.
 
Snow said:
That's too in there. The walkers have been in the back seat this whole time. Despite them appearing in a big group attacking the Crows there was barely any commentary on it. Just Sam running away describing what happened in his head.

So far what we know is that they come with a snowstorm so if/when they attack the wall expect the same thing to happen. No one will see shit.

Can't see it being hard to defend against them. The wall has a small opening. Chuck fire at them. They aren't going crawl over the wall.
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Huh, I must have missed that part. I listened to some parts of the books on audiobooks, there were a few times my attention lulled and I didn't bother to play it back.
 
bill.s.preston said:
The Wall has to be that big for a reason. I'm sure the supernatural abilities of the White Walkers will equate to more than just immunity to normal blades.
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We don't know anything about the white walkers really do we? Aren't there some suggestions that what Jon killed is basically a zombie whilst a white walker is the one that raises corpses from the dead as wights and commands them?
 
Snow said:
We don't know anything about the white walkers really do we? Aren't there some suggestions that what Jon killed is basically a zombie whilst a white walker is the one that raises corpses from the dead as wights and commands them?
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Jon killed a Zombie/wight, Sam killed a White Walker.
 
Jon killed a wight, not an Other. Sam killed an other with obsidian.

edit: Should have posted that before starting to read the ASOIAF wiki. :lol:
 
Oh right. I just remembered there was something Night Watchy associated with the Other that he killed. The clothes or the horse or something.

Matt: There are two big wiki's out there. One called gameofthrones.wikia.com which focuses more on the show. The non show spoilers there are usually at the bottom. Think it's pretty safe to read that.
The other more substantial wiki is awoiaf.westeros.org. That's the book one. Don't read that if you don't wanna spoil your dinner.
 
It was the second one. I've read all the books. I just meant that if I'd posted it before i did, it wouldn't have been a repeat of what bill posted.
 
Well, she didn't do much wrong.

Sure she testified against him, but it's not hard to imagine she had no choice. Should she have died for him rather than testify against him?

Who knows what she was doing in that room where he found her before she died, he never got an answer, did he? Okay, it seems like maybe she was getting it on with Tywin, but that's hardly behavior deserving of death for a whore.

Even if she lied to Tyrion about caring, that's something I think a whore should get a pass for, even in Westeros.

Okay, she could have kept out the 'Giant of Lannister' part, assuming she wasn't tortured and spilled her guts. But that seems like a poor reason.

Or was it only to keep her from alerting the guard after he left?
 
She was naked in Tywin's bed wearing the Hand's chain. It's pretty clear what she was doing.

Tyrion paid her well, took care of her, and protected her. In return, she lies about him to get him thrown in prison and sleeps with his father. She was also a potential witness of his escape. Any of those is reason enough, imo.
 
gooDevil said:
So, was Tyrion justified in killing Shae?

Go!
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Well, she testified against him in his trial. Moreover, she used words designed to humiliate him in a way he would find most offensive. She essentially made a laughing-stoke out of him. And then she was in his fathers bed.

Remember, we were already told that Tyrion is Tywin's son. Being mocked is the thing that bothered Tywin's most. I would say that this motive is actually stronger for Tyrion, given his physical appearance.

In our time this does not justify killing anyone, but for Tyrion what Shae did was as bad as it could get.
 
Decided I wasn't going to read past book 2 to not get ahead of the TV series but now I find myself reading A Feast For Crows.
 
I am reading now the fifth book, and in the first 200 pages it looks the best book of the series. I hope that will continue with that level. The fourth book was by far the worst one.
 
DoctorEvil said:
Well, she testified against him in his trial. Moreover, she used words designed to humiliate him in a way he would find most offensive. She essentially made a laughing-stoke out of him. And then she was in his fathers bed.

Remember, we were already told that Tyrion is Tywin's son. Being mocked is the thing that bothered Tywin's most. I would say that this motive is actually stronger for Tyrion, given his physical appearance.

In our time this does not justify killing anyone, but for Tyrion what Shae did was as bad as it could get.
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But that would make Tyrion as bad as Tywin, or worse. I remember Tywin holding fierce grudges for being mocked but I don't remember him killing anyone for causing him to be laughed at.

I find Shae's behavior a bit odd. I'll have to go back and read that part again, but it seemed to me that Shae wasn't mentioning the 'giant of Lannister' stuff to hurt his feelings, it's hardly relevant to the trial.

The way Shae failed to beg for her life as soon as she saw Tyrion made me think there's more to the story, and Shae was still trying to help Tyrion. But maybe I'm way off and she's a really good con artist, maybe she planned to sell him out from the beginning.
 
The guy they've got playing Tormund looks brilliant for the role.
 
gooDevil said:
But that would make Tyrion as bad as Tywin, or worse. I remember Tywin holding fierce grudges for being mocked but I don't remember him killing anyone for causing him to be laughed at.

I find Shae's behavior a bit odd. I'll have to go back and read that part again, but it seemed to me that Shae wasn't mentioning the 'giant of Lannister' stuff to hurt his feelings, it's hardly relevant to the trial.

The way Shae failed to beg for her life as soon as she saw Tyrion made me think there's more to the story, and Shae was still trying to help Tyrion. But maybe I'm way off and she's a really good con artist, maybe she planned to sell him out from the beginning.
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That does not make Tyrion as bad as Tywin. It only means that they have one similar character trait (or flaw). They differ in other aspects. Tyrion would never dream on setting up a deal such as the one leading to the red wedding. Tywin saw no problem with doing so.

I do not think Shea was trying to help Tyrion. I think she may still liked him somewhat, but she still betrayed him when she thought that will be the best thing for her. She probably did not have much choice, but she could have done this in a way which would not humiliate Tyrion that much.
 
So these people are known? I've seen two of these actors before. Could hardly claim them to be perfect quite yet.
 
Snow said:
So these people are known? I've seen two of these actors before. Could hardly claim them to be perfect quite yet.
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Known? I wouldn't say that. I've seen some of them before, though. Edmure is Brutus from Rome. Tormund played in the new The Thing movie. One of the girls played in Hollyoaks (not that I've seen that, it's just what I read). Then there's the guy from The Office, as well as the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

But really, how many of the original cast were you familiar with? Sean Bean, Peter Dinklage, Aidan Gillen, Mark Addy.. maybe Jason Momoa? And three of those were just for the first season. It's never been the kind of show that casts the "stars". It's TV, for one. Obviously I was exaggerating when I said "it's all perfect", but it looks pretty damn good to me to begin with. Particularly pleased with Edmure and Tormund.
 
niMic said:
Known? I wouldn't say that. I've seen some of them before, though. Edmure is Brutus from Rome. Tormund played in the new The Thing movie. One of the girls played in Hollyoaks (not that I've seen that, it's just what I read). Then there's the guy from The Office, as well as the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

But really, how many of the original cast were you familiar with? Sean Bean, Peter Dinklage, Aidan Gillen, Mark Addy.. maybe Jason Momoa? And three of those were just for the first season. It's never been the kind of show that casts the "stars". It's TV, for one. Obviously I was exaggerating when I said "it's all perfect", but it looks pretty damn good to me to begin with. Particularly pleased with Edmure and Tormund.
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Lena Headley too. She was probably the most famous one after Sean Bean.

And I had high hopes that Edmure will be played from the guy who acted Faramir in LOTR. I always imagined Edmure looking like him.
 
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