Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Freedom Aluteni said:
Podcast was good.
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Thank you!

Actually, an idea, @Cheesy @Massive Spanner @b82REZ so this thread doesn't keep getting bumped. If someone leaves a positive comment about my series (like Freedom's here), I'll just add them to a "mailing list" of sorts and link them to each article privately. That way I get something in return for the work I put in, and the thread doesn't keep getting bumped?
 
robinamicrowave said:
I dunno, I spend a good 5-6 hours on this every week and don't get paid for it. I reckon yous lot could get over seeing this thread bumped every once in a while so I get something small in return for the effort I put in.
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Go for it mate. Your articles are really well written.
 
The Cat said:
Is there any way you can make a menu of each episode for these?
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I try my best to do something similar to a "menu" (nice way of putting it) in the opening section, where I just outline what happens in the episode, but that's all. If I can find a way to do that without it affecting the layout of the page too much then I'll definitely consider it for when I begin season 3 in a few weeks.
 
Bobski said:
That surge of hope every time this is bumped:(
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I am sorry - I'm banned from the TV thread, otherwise I'd be posting in there. It's ultimately what my blog series is about as opposed to the books.

I think I'll start PM'ing my Redcafe readers in future, actually.
 
b82REZ said:
I could have swore you said that's what you were going to do after people complained about the book thread being bumped unnecessarily
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It was. I asked a bunch of people if they fancied that as an option, but nobody responded so I kept posting it in here.
 
I'm fine with it being posted in here but if a mailing list is set up I'm fine with that too. I'm being very decisive today.
 
2cents said:
Some speculation on GRRM's progress - https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7vn9dk/spoilers_extended_a_media_professional_in_grrms/
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"The relationship between D&D and GRRM has soured since Season 5. D&D took umbrage with interviews GRRM gave regarding a controversial Season 5 episode: they felt GRRM didn’t have their backs. The following year, GRRM felt D&D took ‘not-so-subtle shots’ at him in Season 6 episodes they’d written and told colleagues he didn’t appreciate it."
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Interesting.

Reckon this is either to do with the Stannis/Mance/Jon scene in 5x1, or the Sansa/Ramsay scene in 5x6, or the Stannis/Shireen/Melisandre scene in 5x9. Or just the Dorne plot, lol.
 
I had a weird dream about the upcoming season which would give a great introduction to the Golden Company, sadly they won't do it. I'd post it but I'm guessing speculation and theories are now ruined thanks to spoiler readers?
 
robinamicrowave said:
Interesting.

Reckon this is either to do with the Stannis/Mance/Jon scene in 5x1, or the Sansa/Ramsay scene in 5x6, or the Stannis/Shireen/Melisandre scene in 5x9. Or just the Dorne plot, lol.
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Too many things to list, to be honest but the biggest points in my view are:

Dorne- GRRM released a sample chapter and made comments about how it is more important in the books
Lady Stoneheart- GRRM commented about his biggest regret was this cut
Shireen- D&D revealed that GRRM told them it was in the books and he responded by saying that they are their own things now

The trust between them isn't there. D&D are hacks who were only interested in the books upto the Red Wedding, and GRRM believed their promise to be a faithful adaptation, forgiving early minor differences as the price of adaptation but is now seeing their true colours.
 
Drainy said:
The trust between them isn't there. D&D are hacks who were only interested in the books upto the Red Wedding, and GRRM believed their promise to be a faithful adaptation, forgiving early minor differences as the price of adaptation but is now seeing their true colours.
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This is a very generous characterisation. George hasn't been shy about enjoying the limelight and publicity, he knows an HBO adaptation is about as good as it gets for his magnum opus to get on the screen with a chance of success, so two morons with no directing experience, let alone overall production is a small price to suffer for that. He saw the limbo WoT and Dune were in, and those were most definitely more well known work in the genre.

The D&D fanbois are funny with their denial though. It's been obvious for years that there is a rift, especially with Linda and Elio of Westeros.org flaming them every opportunity they get. You have the co-authors of GRRM's works and long time friends of his, people in his closest circle voicing their displeasure and low opinion about his golden goose TV show regularly, yet he never refuted them. Why I wonder?
 
If he'd got his arse in gear and finished at least one of the last 2 books, I feel he'd have more justification to moan about the shows direction over the last series or 2.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
We trust you Pigeon, go ahead
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On reflection it’s quite shit but I dreamt that

The Golden Company arrive on Euron’s ships at King’s Landing in a huge fog, and one ship with a new mercenary POV character land and make their way up the beach towards the Red Keep but everything is silent. As they get closer the soldiers start to feel the cold and notice the lack of people. Suddenly the group are engulfed in the chaos as wights burst down a tight corridor - winter has come to King’s Landing.

The scene then consisted of the group’s rapid escape, as a small party attempt to rescue Cersei and a few stragglers. Cersei, the Mountain, the POV character and a couple of others manage to make it back to their boat and onto Euron’s ship just in time to look back and see Viserion atop the Red Keep.

It would set up the end game to take place in the throne room with a fight against the Night King.

See? Shite but it was a decent dream.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
On reflection it’s quite shit but I dreamt that

The Golden Company arrive on Euron’s ships at King’s Landing in a huge fog, and one ship with a new mercenary POV character land and make their way up the beach towards the Red Keep but everything is silent. As they get closer the soldiers start to feel the cold and notice the lack of people. Suddenly the group are engulfed in the chaos as wights burst down a tight corridor - winter has come to King’s Landing.

The scene then consisted of the group’s rapid escape, as a small party attempt to rescue Cersei and a few stragglers. Cersei, the POV character and a couple of others manage to make it back to their boat and onto Euron’s ship just in time to look back and see Viserion atop the Red Keep.

It would set up the end game to take place in the throne room with a fight against the Night King.

See? Shite but it was a decent dream.
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It would have been a better dream if you knew exactly which episodes these things happened in. Let's call it a 'timeline' of sorts.


;)
 
Bill.s.preston said:
If he'd got his arse in gear and finished at least one of the last 2 books, I feel he'd have more justification to moan about the shows direction over the last series or 2.
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I've given up hope of him completing the series. We might get WOW but I think he'll pop his clogs before he gets another done.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
This is a very generous characterisation. George hasn't been shy about enjoying the limelight and publicity, he knows an HBO adaptation is about as good as it gets for his magnum opus to get on the screen with a chance of success, so two morons with no directing experience, let alone overall production is a small price to suffer for that. He saw the limbo WoT and Dune were in, and those were most definitely more well known work in the genre.
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He does claim that he had previous offers for high budget films because they wouldn't have been true enough to his books, then D&D impressed him with their knowledge of his material. No reason to think that isn't mostly true.

I think he believed their promises and thought that because they were inexperienced he would get a lot of influence over the decisions, which he did for the first season. He did work on TV screenplays previously so he OK'd changes as 'adaptation costs'.

In the second, they veered away slightly more by changing Jeyne Westerling, which he got the concession to get them to change her name. He was unhappy with how it changed Robb as a character but realised it was making it more 'compelling TV' to have a proper romance.

Afterwards they grew more bold in changing things until GRRM really gave up on them with the Dorne stuff. When you hear about what happened, it really is unforgivable- they were originally going to cut Dorne entirely, but when they got Indira Varma to play Elia Sand they decided during production to do Dorne so she could stay part of the show. This led to a mass panic in all areas of production, a rushed script and no time to shoot and improve in post production. It was a shitshow, and because they wanted Elia to be more prominent they went completely off script from the book.
 
Drainy said:
Too many things to list, to be honest but the biggest points in my view are:

Dorne- GRRM released a sample chapter and made comments about how it is more important in the books
Lady Stoneheart- GRRM commented about his biggest regret was this cut
Shireen- D&D revealed that GRRM told them it was in the books and he responded by saying that they are their own things now

The trust between them isn't there. D&D are hacks who were only interested in the books upto the Red Wedding, and GRRM believed their promise to be a faithful adaptation, forgiving early minor differences as the price of adaptation but is now seeing their true colours.
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Drivel. They've done their best I would assume. They're not the ones letting people down.
 
Minimalist said:
Drivel. They've done their best I would assume. They're not the ones letting people down.
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http://ew.com/article/2016/06/19/game-thrones-battle-director/

The other real challenge was the schedule. After I first read the outline (we didn’t have a script yet) and we went to take a look at the location, a privately owned piece of land called Saintfeld in Northern Ireland. The producers asked me to ballpark the number of days I thought it was going to take to shoot it. After a few hours and a fair bit of guesswork we said 28. They said we had 12.

Both myself and Charlie Endean [my first assistant director] read the script and got on the phone to discuss a revised number of days now with the actual script in mind. Rather than [my estimated number of days coming down] — which is what we all had hoped — the number had gone up to 42 days. I called Bernie Caulfield, the producer, and sheepishly told her that I wasn’t even going to bother sending her that schedule because we all knew that wasn’t going to happen. Suffice to say, something needed to give. Then began the process of creatively focusing on the most important aspects, searching for more effective ways to shoot the sequence and a more-or-less nonstop back and forth between myself, Charlie, Fabian (our director of photography), and the producers. Eventually — probably a few months later — we ended up with 25 days, including the parlay on the battlefield prior to the actual battle and all the scenes in Winterfell in the aftermath of BOB. Reaching that number was the biggest challenge.

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One day in the middle of shooting BOB, there was a moment when I realized we just could not complete the sequence as planned. Three days of consistent rain had turned the field into a bog nine inches deep with mud so thick things were slowing down, and morale with it. The crew are a tough bunch but when the wind and rain is blowing in your face 13 hours a day and for weeks on end and it’s literally a game of death to make it up the hill to grab a drink or use the loo because it’s so slippery, everyone gets a bit down.

One evening I got home and I kind of knew we couldn’t finish in the time we had left so I wrote a long email to David and Dan and the other producers to suggest an alternative that I thought we could achieve in the remaining time, but that would mean going “off book” for three days. That is to say, we’d be shooting without a script. I finished the email and made a cup of tea (no whisky in the house) then waited for the response, which I fully expected to be a public chastisement and general reaming for even suggesting that (Dan and David like their scripts executed the way they wrote them, and with good reason).

It was late already and if were going to do this we needed to employ this idea first thing the next day. But I couldn’t move forward without their consent and they were in L.A. at the time. I hadn’t even worked exactly out how I’d do it, I just knew we need a Plan B.

Anyway, not 15 minutes later, I get a ping on the email and David and Dan have replied. They said it sucked not to be able to finish as scripted but they also understood the crunch we were in and that they trusted me and to have at it.
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Drainy said:
http://ew.com/article/2016/06/19/game-thrones-battle-director/
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Cheers for the wall of text, much appreciated. None of that suggests that they're hacks.

They put faith in a director and ultimately had to allow adjustment to the script (or fly blind) due to time contraints. So fecking what? Every bloody film or tv drama that is an adapation from a novel has changes made either by design or forced circumstances. Go watch some docs on the film making process from start to finish.

The only thing that matters is whether the key elements of the plot (and hopefully the tone) remain. Nothing in that text suggests they didn't hit those boxes during the filming of that episode.
 
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