Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Snow, why are you posting actual speculation in the other thread? Don't engage them in debate, how hard is it to understand? You'll be lucky if none of the mods remember you are a book reader and bans you.

I'm beginning to think Wibble is correct.
 
niMic said:
Snow, why are you posting actual speculation in the other thread? Don't engage them in debate, how hard is it to understand? You'll be lucky if none of the mods remember you are a book reader and bans you.

I'm beginning to think Wibble is correct.
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What speculation have I posted?
 
I was going to go quote the original one, but you were helpful and posted another couple.

Snow said:
She won't be killed. It's just as dangerous now as before. She's their top prisoner. They can't afford to lose her.
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Snow said:
Not to my knowledge they have no idea about it. The Stark camp knows he's missing. That's it.
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Snow said:
You're right. She probably doesn't know. She only knows he's shifty.
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This is exactly what you're not supposed to do. It doesn't matter that you think it's obvious from the TV series, you know what is going to happen.

This isn't complicated. Don't post anything like this in that thread.
 
They have no idea that I've read the books. Don't see the big deal. You're the only one bringing attention to it.

I only answered the Jamie one because no one else did. He obviously wasn't paying attention because it's obvious that the Lannister don't know that the Starks don't have him.

Perhaps I'll correct some name spelling next. Don't get all worried when I do.
 
They have no idea you've read the books? :wenger:

Do you realize what it takes? Someone notices you posted last in the book thread. Or someone clicks the book thread post count and realizes you have 50+ posts.

I'm not sure why you're acting so surprised. It's already been pointed out some fifty odd times that people who have read the books should not discuss anything in that thread.

I mean, take a look at what you posted.

She won't be killed. It's just as dangerous now as before. She's their top prisoner. They can't afford to lose her.
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Do I really need to point out why that is a problem?
 
niMic said:
They have no idea you've read the books? :wenger:

Do you realize what it takes? Someone notices you posted last in the book thread. Or someone clicks the book thread post count and realizes you have 50+ posts.

I'm not sure why you're acting so surprised. It's already been pointed out some fifty odd times that people who have read the books should not discuss anything in that thread.

I mean, take a look at what you posted.



Do I really need to point out why that is a problem?
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You're taking it out of context. Simple as that.
 
change won't to 'unlikely' and I don't see the harm. Even with the hindsight of the books, it's a terrible faux pas for them to make, hostages don't really work if they are dead.
 
Nah he shouldn't be posting it plain and simple. I made a similar mistake thinking I was literally just answering a question regarding the TV show that I thought seemed 'obvious' in it, but obvious for me isn't obvious for someone who hasn't read the books, it may be difficult to see that and how exactly they're not figuring this stuff out but the fact is that the TV show just is not as detailed as the books and therefore 'obvious' things could be easy for people to miss.

Basically, don't answer peoples questions.
 
DevilRed said:
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Ygritte really is fast becoming my favorite character. Never really liked her that much in the books because she was described as not very attractive and didn't have too many redeeming qualities other than she was tough. However, in the TV series they really have made her quite attractive and very witty, intellegent and strong at the same time. The more I see of her the more I like her.
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Yeah, shame GRR killed her off though, never really did like that scene in the book.
 
niMic said:
They have no idea you've read the books? :wenger:

Do you realize what it takes? Someone notices you posted last in the book thread. Or someone clicks the book thread post count and realizes you have 50+ posts.

I'm not sure why you're acting so surprised. It's already been pointed out some fifty odd times that people who have read the books should not discuss anything in that thread.

I mean, take a look at what you posted.



Do I really need to point out why that is a problem?
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Sure. I'll stop post there. Like I said to Cina, this was perfectly within context of the shows in the discussion. Only the fact that I've read the books makes it seem that much worse.

But I've just experiences the worst week in my life so far and was looking to immense myself in whatever I could to take my mind of things so thinking perfectly straight wasn't really an option a few days ago.
 
Anyone picked up or intending to pick up the game? Was released today I think

I was going to avoid it as I'm assuming it's shit given that no major mags have ran previews or indeed reviews of it but I just read a bit about it on gamespot and although the game itself isn't supposed to be any great shakes playability wise the story which runs parallel to the books sounds quite good and it fleshes the universe out some more (grrm co wrote I think) Think it'll be worth a rental now

Anyone played it yet?
 
Snow said:
Sure. I'll stop post there. Like I said to Cina, this was perfectly within context of the shows in the discussion. Only the fact that I've read the books makes it seem that much worse.

But I've just experiences the worst week in my life so far and was looking to immense myself in whatever I could to take my mind of things so thinking perfectly straight wasn't really an option a few days ago.
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Okay, I can understand that. I caught myself doing that at one point, where I said something that seemed completely reasonable to me, but when I thought about it from their perspective, it would seem like I was giving something away.

Didn't mean to be so harsh on you, wasn't aware of your situation.
 
I just read the part when baby shadow killed Renly. I found it strange cause unlike the Tv show there isn't the part when Davos and Melisandre went to that cave when Melisandre gave life to that creature. The most strange part is that my room-mate who has read the same exact copy of the book is saying that he has read it. So, can someone confirm to me that the part with Melisandre and Davos is in the book, isn't in the book or will be mentioned somewhere after. If it is like it should be then obviously I am not reading the correct version of the book, or I have gone mad.
 
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I just read the part when baby shadow killed Renly. I found it strange cause unlike the Tv show there isn't the part when Davos and Melisandre went to that cave when Melisandre gave life to that creature. The most strange part is that my room-mate who has read the same exact copy of the book is saying that he has read it. So, can someone confirm to me that the part with Melisandre and Davos is in the book, isn't in the book or will be mentioned somewhere after. If it is like it should be then obviously I am not reading the correct version of the book, or I have gone mad.
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It will come up shortly. They don't explain it in the show, but it happens after Renley dies and isn't the cause of his death. Someone else's...mayhaps.
 
Sir Matt said:
It will come up shortly. They don't explain it in the show, but it happens after Renley dies and isn't the cause of his death. Someone else's...mayhaps.
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Thank you Sir.

So I guess there are more shadow assassins, never mind, I will read and find it out now.
 
Problem is that if people in the other thread know that a particular poster has read the books, any 'speculation', 'guesses', or 'theories' he advances will be giveaways.

It's unlikely a poster who knows what's coming will deliberately 'guess' wrong. And posters in the other thread will realize that.
 
Holy fecking shit. I'm in the end of the third book.

Everyone is dead!
 
Lol not quite, but I tend to think that at the end of every book, they can't possibly kill anyone else off.
 
All caught up.

Can't wait till Cersei gets her revenge on the church. Before I was eager to see her get hers, but not like how it happened!

She makes for a very entertaining leader of the 'bad' guys, I hope she regains that position in book 6. No half measures for that one.
 
gooDevil said:
All caught up.

Can't wait till Cersei gets her revenge on the church. Before I was eager to see her get hers, but not like how it happened!

She makes for a very entertaining leader of the 'bad' guys, I hope she regains that position in book 6. No half measures for that one.
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what did you think of the end of Dances with Dragons

it wasn't exactly a cliff hanger and i thought it was a bit disappointing
 
I read the excerpt from Winds of Winter immediately after finishing DwD. Just made me want to carry on reading
 
I badly want to join this thread to discuss the books, but I'm only in the middle part of the second one. See you all around half a year from now, I suppose!
 
buckooo1978 said:
what did you think of the end of Dances with Dragons

it wasn't exactly a cliff hanger and i thought it was a bit disappointing
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I quite liked the last chapter with Varys, it showed that Cersei wasn't really too paranoid after all, and how a character like Kevin, for being more capable than Cersei in many ways, didn't have what it takes to play the game.

I was a bit disappointed that Dani didn't have more success taming the dragons, seems we have a long way to go before the three will be fighting together in a battle, if it happens at all, at this point I don't really care anymore if I ever see someone ride a dragon in a battle.

Tyrion's little adventure with Penny isn't doing much for me either, I wish he'd just get where he's going. But Mr. Martin loves to draw things out, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

What was it you didn't like?
 
ADwD was basically an episode of Lost. Nothing happens for 40 minutes and then there's a load of cliffhangers for the last 3 minutes.
 
gooDevil said:
I quite liked the last chapter with Varys, it showed that Cersei wasn't really too paranoid after all, and how a character like Kevin, for being more capable than Cersei in many ways, didn't have what it takes to play the game.

I was a bit disappointed that Dani didn't have more success taming the dragons, seems we have a long way to go before the three will be fighting together in a battle, if it happens at all, at this point I don't really care anymore if I ever see someone ride a dragon in a battle.

Tyrion's little adventure with Penny isn't doing much for me either, I wish he'd just get where he's going. But Mr. Martin loves to draw things out, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

What was it you didn't like?
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they left a few things unresolved without building it into something exciting

1) they just left the Stannis storyline - I dont think he is dead and i think the letter was probably from Mance Rayder

2) Tyrion - travels halfway round the world - comes within 20 feet of Dani but still doesnt make any contact - definately too drawn out for me

3) the John story was a bit of an anti-climax for me

4) the Dani ending could have been done better as well for me

although as you say he does like to draw things out - the book was very good, built up and developed well but the ending was a bit disappointing for me
 
Having finished the books only 5 months ago ish. It's going to kill if I have to wait another 4 and a half years for the next book.

I agree with cina's analogy on ADWD as well. Although the book itself was intruguing, the key moments were all at the end.
 
Aye, it wasn't bad or anything. Certainly better than AFoC, but I think that's mainly because this had more of my favourite characters in it. AFoC as a book probably had more of an impact on the overall story throughout.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Having finished the books only 5 months ago ish. It's going to kill if I have to wait another 4 and a half years for the next book.

I agree with cina's analogy on ADWD as well. Although the book itself was intruguing, the key moments were all at the end.
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I waited either 3-4 years for ADWD after reading the first four in about 6 months so I'm used to the waiting now. :mad:
 
1000+ pages of a book must take an age, especially if like half way through he doesn't like something and has to change it, which in turn effects two or three chapters or 3 or 4 characters.

Considering how convoluted the plot generally is, the planning alone would take a few months.
 
buckooo1978 said:
they left a few things unresolved without building it into something exciting

1) they just left the Stannis storyline - I dont think he is dead and i think the letter was probably from Mance Rayder

2) Tyrion - travels halfway round the world - comes within 20 feet of Dani but still doesnt make any contact - definately too drawn out for me

3) the John story was a bit of an anti-climax for me

4) the Dani ending could have been done better as well for me

although as you say he does like to draw things out - the book was very good, built up and developed well but the ending was a bit disappointing for me
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Yeah, I have to agree with all that. Stannis is an interesting character and more of him and Jon would have been interesting. We didn't get a payoff with his character, just a death teaser, like with Jon.

Jon's story was definitely a bit boring, hard to believe that we haven't seen an other or a white walker in 2 books, and nothing crucial was done to deal with them. The politics of the wall and the wildlings isn't nearly as interesting as the Lannister intrigue.

Tyrion is my favorite character but I didn't enjoy the parts where he was enslaved. Martin seems very concerned with realism, we get some magic and some amazing results, but mostly things play out in a brutal way where the 'bad guys' generally get their way. So a dwarf alone in the world was always going to be captured.

I suppose that realism makes it all the more exciting when something works out for the better. The later books seem much more dense than the first book, where I never felt overwhelmed with plot points seemingly for their own sake, or for the sake of realism.
 
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