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My guess would be he finds out that Yara and Theon have joined team Dragon and gets hitched to Cerci then his new fleet of 1000 ships has a big fight with team dragon which ends up drowning a fair chunk of her fighters thus evening the sides up a bit
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This is just one of a series, this one is about the Kingsguard and it's narrated by Jamie Lannister and Bronn (not as sweary though). Then it's finished off with a recap of the tower of joy scene - which BTW has the greatest dialogue.
This is just one of a series, this one is about the Kingsguard and it's narrated by Jamie Lannister and Bronn (not as sweary though). Then it's finished off with a recap of the tower of joy scene - which BTW has the greatest dialogue.
Yup. It's still entertaining though, and season six was a lot more entertaining than the fifth. It's up to people to embrace that or not, I think most people are enjoying it for what it is, rather than what the books (and first season) were, which is fine.
I read a blog post in the internetz which was speculating that Jon Snow was the Azor Ahai reborn and one part of prophecy states that the person would have to be born under a bleeding star and they make the connection with Eddard Stark entering the ToJ with Dawn dripping with blood (thereby born under a bleeding star)
That was pretty neat.
That was pretty neat.
Yes, I read that as well. It's nice. The red comet being a red herring and the "bleeding star" actually being the sword in Dayne's blood (Dawn was forged from the heart of a fallen star; Dayne's sigil is a fallen star, so his blood could be interpreted as that of a star etc.). I like it.
And another thing hit me, only after I watched the scene, regarding Jon being the Prince that was promised. Apart from the "song of ice and fire" (Stark and Targaryen) stuff and being from Aerys and Rhaella's line, there's this:
"Promise me, Ned."
I mean, I never even thought about it for so long
Yes, I read that as well. It's nice. The red comet being a red herring and the "bleeding star" actually being the sword in Dayne's blood (Dawn was forged from the heart of a fallen star; Dayne's sigil is a fallen star, so his blood could be interpreted as that of a star etc.). I like it.
And another thing hit me, only after I watched the scene, regarding Jon being the Prince that was promised. Apart from the "song of ice and fire" (Stark and Targaryen) stuff and being from Aerys and Rhaella's line, there's this:
"Promise me, Ned."
I mean, I never even thought about it for so long
I like that, well done.
Yes, I read that as well. It's nice. The red comet being a red herring and the "bleeding star" actually being the sword in Dayne's blood (Dawn was forged from the heart of a fallen star; Dayne's sigil is a fallen star, so his blood could be interpreted as that of a star etc.). I like it.
And another thing hit me, only after I watched the scene, regarding Jon being the Prince that was promised. Apart from the "song of ice and fire" (Stark and Targaryen) stuff and being from Aerys and Rhaella's line, there's this:
"Promise me, Ned."
I mean, I never even thought about it for so long
I just thought the Dawn being made from the heart of a star and is lined with blood (Arthur Dayne or otherwise) made up the bleeding star, but your take is good as well
I've never made that connection of Promise me-Promised too
I got the last three, but the Grand Norther conspiracy is a lot of guess work from the guy who proposes the theory. He makes Wyman Manderly a Batman and Lady Stoneheart some kind of super scheming Avenger. There are parts of it that are correct and make sense, like the BWB informer Tom Sevenstrings, but there are elements of the ploy that doesn't make any sense or he's looking for any and all possible clues and tries to paint most events as something that points to Jon Snow's coronation.
Yeah Meereen was quite pish really. How long was she there being boring and shouty and the pay off being less than a minute of hot dragon action that doesn't make much sense before she sets off with all her new toys to be boring and shouty in Westeros.
Her story arc is being built up to this moment for 6 seasons. She's been married, killed her husband, birthed dragons, won over Unsullied armies, conquered three cities, lost two, ruled one and killed Dothraki khalasars, finally learned to control her dragons, got her ships and has people to help her rule and has alliances in the West. Didn't happen in a single minute and has happened over six seasons. Some of the complaints have been frankly over the top.
She spent several seasons boring me, the whole Mereen story has bored me, it ended with a siege which featured about a minute or two of action and it's now been left behind. I don't care what she did in the first season or stuff that hasn't happened yet which may or may not have a pay off that makes it worthwhile, Mereen was poor and is open to criticism. Throughout it all she's been one of the worst actors and worst written characters on the show.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't criticize how her story was filmed, how poor Emilia Clarke is, or how her character is made out to be boring in the show, that is fair game. Gol123 couldn't believe how big an army she has suddenly and you agreed with him. I'm just saying that she didn't win an army overnight, she won it over the course of 6 seasons and reasons on why she gained those armies are pretty evident.
You just posted about how she got her army with 'less than minute of hot dragon action' and now you are posting that you don't care about what she did in the first season
Because you used it being built up over 6 seasons as a defence.I'm not saying that you shouldn't criticize how her story was filmed, how poor Emilia Clarke is, or how her character is made out to be boring in the show, that is fair game. Gol123 couldn't believe how big an army she has suddenly and you agreed with him. I'm just saying that she didn't win an army overnight, she won it over the course of 6 seasons and reasons on why she gained those armies are pretty evident.
You just posted about how she got her army with 'less than minute of hot dragon action' and now you are posting that you don't care about what she did in the first season
I didn't say she got her army with less than a minute of hot dragon action, I said she spent several seasons being boring and it built up to nothing. There was a siege and finally some action and that had less than a minute of the dragons doing anything. If she didn't have the dragons she'd be pointless, yet there's very little dragon based pay off. I don't care how much the CGI costs, I'm watching it, not paying for it.It was poorly written and paced, it might have started 6 seasons ago but she went from nothing to having everything in the space of a few episodes. Mereen was cack and most of it could/should have been cut out. It's a TV show not a historical documentary on how she got her army, several seasons of boring pointless plodding that builds up to less than a minute of action isn't good. How she got the army doesn't matter if it's not done in an entertaining fashion.
Because you used it being built up over 6 seasons as a defence.
It was poorly written and paced, it might have started 6 seasons ago but she went from nothing to having everything in the space of a few episodes. Mereen was cack and most of it could/should have been cut out. It's a TV show not a historical documentary on how she got her army, several seasons of boring pointless plodding that builds up to less than a minute of action isn't good. How she got the army doesn't matter if it's not done in an entertaining fashion.
Ok.. Have you read the books?
Yes, which has no relevance to the TV show having a boring plotline with little pay off. Parts of it are quite boring in the book, they can't use that as an excuse when they are willing to change other things.
Why does it have to be some gradual increase to her having her massive army? Why can't it document her journey, ups and downs, character development etc? You'd be complaining that it's too obvious, predictable and boring if she got her army piece by piece, with every final episode of the season adding some other ally to her cause. These 6 seasons have shown how she's fought and struggled for what she has now - it's exactly that, a story.
There's some legitimate points to complain about Dany - that's not really one of them. In fact, I'd argue that this non-linear storytelling is a strength of GoT.
There's some legitimate points to complain about Dany - that's not really one of them. In fact, I'd argue that this non-linear storytelling is a strength of GoT.
Basically what @Waldner said, and if you read the books, you'd know that virtually every story arc has been compromised. You like the Battle of the bastards and rave about it, but the show has made mockery of the entire 'North Remembers' and the rule of Stannis Baratheon.
If the show develops a character patiently, some of you will complain that it's boring, and if they cut out details and have fight scenes, some of us will complain that it's all too sudden and it's growing at a break neck speed. If you want to whinge, you can whinge no matter how the show is shot. I think Emilia Clarke could do a better job at acting but @Gol123's complaints about her getting the army she has and your complaint about how she got an army with a few minutes of action is over the top, in my opinion.
For the record, I didn't find any part of the book boring, even the Reek/Meek chapters. One of the best things about the book is to hide a lot of foreshadowing in seemingly unimportant chapters and I had to read a lot of chapters again to make sure I haven't missed anything.
In all honesty through, Dany has showed zero character growth since season 3. Just meandering about and when in troubles, act like Billy Big Bollocks before getting bailed out by her dragons. Not all of it can be chalked up to Emilia Clarke's poor acting.
She didn't do anything for those armies though. This season she burnt a load of men and road Drogon. That's it. Then she end up with the biggest army in the show.
Danaerys invaded Astapor, Yunkai and Mereen. She killed all the Khals of Dothraki Khalasars and she has three dragons. Show doesn't even include the Second Sons and the rest. Cersei effectively delivers Dorne and High garden to her. I'd say she did a lot and the rest of it was won by madness of another monster and skill of the master of whispers.
She matures from an conqueror to a ruler. She learns to control her dragons. It's not all rosy, but there's been enough to justify her army and her gaining experience.
Even in the books, Cersei is still driven mad by the woods witch prophecy thinking the next queen is Margeary, when it's clear that it is Danaerys she should be afraid of.
I'm talking this season.
Her arc up to season 6 was good. Season 6 was rushed and left little character development.
I'm not talking about her getting her army. Moreso about her character growth. You are influenced by the nuances present in book 5. If you watch the show alone, she's proven to be incompetent at every turn in ruling and goes back to her default mode of badass conqueror every time.
Take, for example, the peace with the slave masters. Making Tyrion the one to do it completely negate whatever character growth that can be ascribe to Dany, as was the case in the books.
Agreed, but Season 6 has been rushed from all angles. Probably due to just 13 hours of show left to close all the loops.
That was my complaint. Not at all over the top.
She needs wise people around her, even Maester Aemon sees that, and she's no more than child, with a difficult growth escaping murderers. She doesn't go to Westeros, instead choosing to rule the cities she liberated. She marries a man she doesn't love and she ditches a man who pleasures her. You can see that she struggles with slaves and slave owners, she agrees to open fighting pits to please her subjects.
Well, I'd still say it's over the top because you are not complaining about other story arcs, just Dany's. It's very true that the pace of the show has picked up tremendously, especially coming from a weak 5th Season, but it would also be one of the best seasons for show watchers alone.
fecking hell - complain that it's too rushed, complain that it's too boring and slow.
Maybe they should hire you as a writing consultant @Gol123, maybe then you'd have the show perfectly catered for your tastes?
Maybe they should hire you as a writing consultant @Gol123, maybe then you'd have the show perfectly catered for your tastes?
Because hers was mentioned. I have other complaints about other stories but hers is specifically to this complaint. This season she has 0 development and does nothing yet ends up with a load of shit. The whole story was just giving everything to Danaerys. Relationships with other characters, allies and conflict resolution was just handed to her.
It's a poorly written show. No need to be defensive about it.
At what point did I indicate I either liked the Battle of the Bastards or raved about it? I merely said Mereen overall has been shit with little pay off for it.
What character development has she show really? Her answer to everything is "big shouty queen speech".
You're getting oddly defensive about it.
In this season, she killed a bunch of Khals, stole the entire Dothraki Khalasar, pretty much single handedly defeated the good and wise masters of Astapor and Yunkai, listened to the counsel of her wise hand of the king and made treaty with the Iron born for their ships.
Ok..
You're right, you are a troll. If you honestly think season 6 is well written then you must be trolling.Massive, massive troll. I fell for it
She burnt a few Khals and rode Drogon. The Khalasars just fell in line for her despite it making very little sense and the Yunkai/Mereen conflict was resolved so easily, what was even the point in it?
In this season, she killed a bunch of Khals, stole the entire Dothraki Khalasar, pretty much single handedly defeated the good and wise masters of Astapor and Yunkai, listened to the counsel of her wise hand of the king and made treaty with the Iron born for their ships.
Ok..
It was like the show runners decided she needed an army and to get rid of Mereen so just shoved a load of shit together to give her it without her working as a character for it.
I think I will write a more comprehensive post as to why I don't think season 6 was good. Because people are just calling me a troll for not rating a poorly written show and being blinded by cool moments.
Hey, it's a free world. You can continue to not like Season 6.
I didn't say I didn't like it. Just saying it isn't very good.
Just like I can like Michael Bay films and still acknowledge they are lowest common denominator pieces of crap.
Reading the books again, it goes to show how much the show had to compromise compared to the books. Only King's Landing stuff is done reasonably well, with few other outstanding episodes for other locations like North (Winterfall, Wall, Beyond the Wall), East (Braavos, Free Cities of the East, Dothraki territories) and with Dorne having no redeeming qualities.
Show by itself is not badly done, but if books are compared, it's not a contest IMO.
Show by itself is not badly done, but if books are compared, it's not a contest IMO.
Should I start with the books or the TV show?