. Pretty sure people can condemn made up creatures, races etc. as evil and it have ZERO to do with real life. Nothing to do with right or wrong.Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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. Pretty sure people can condemn made up creatures, races etc. as evil and it have ZERO to do with real life. Nothing to do with right or wrong.Don't know what your problem is.
If you think I'm wrong then argue the point. A green smiley is just aklcknowledgement of your inability toneffectively argue a point and thus a concession to me
Or I am just laughing at you because your posts are entertaining. Also go back and see my edit.
It is a bit over the top to consider passing judgement on some creatures in a book with being a real life racist. But go ahead and keep insisting it is the same, and I will keep finding entertainment in that.
I'm not saying he is racist. I'm just saying his views on the Others as evil beings is very narrow minded. The comparison was to show his narrow mindedness. Real life comparisons are the easiest to make when arguing a point.
The music was very good in the last episode. Loved it during the beginning scenes.
you have people who loved ruthless mob bosses in fictional movies/books/shows and had no problem with them killing, stealing, extorting , etc from other make believe characters but don't view real life criminals the same way. So best not to get too over the top judging people for how they view the others.
I've gone back to listen to the trial music on YouTube about 20 times now. Some say it was out of place, but I think it made the whole scene. Beautiful piece.
Really? It was what made the scene for me. I honestly expected pretty much everything that happened in KL but my heart was still racing when I was watching it. The music was perfect.
It's not exactly like real life at all. Even if Martin is intentionally mirroring racial issues, which is strictly a matter of interpretation, there is a big difference:
It's not real life.
Assuming they are evil reflects the readers assumptions about the story and the author, not assumptions of the real world. These assumptions furthermore don't target anyone real. Finally, when engaged in fiction many of the normal rules of morality are stretched. I imagine many are rooting for Tyrion, despite the fact that if politician in modern society was widely known to frequent prostitutes, represented the most greedy party around and stood accused of patricide, he'd be vilified by everyone. Yet in fiction such a guy can be a protagonist.
This is actually a bannable level of trolling. I'm out.
People like characters because it is escapism for them. They like to imagine that they are like these suave, criminals living the high life because it's a life that is so very interesting. Doesn't mean they don't acknowledge what those people are and believe they are good people.
I wasn't judging him. I was just saying if he wouldn't judge a real human race without much knowledge of them, it wold be a bit silly to judge a made up race with little to no knowledge of them. I admit it was a poor argument though and one that may elicit outragedo reactions from people like B20 (Whose reaction to this is equally over the top in my opinion).
I should have said that the author has often stated he doesn't want to write about a race that is pure evil and doesn't plan to, however I did mention it and he still chose to ignore it. I probably should have said that the monstrosity human characters have done in this serious is worse then what The Others have done and so that surely makes then more of an evil then The Others.
I'm sorry for offending anybody.
If I'm right, Gol123 seems to be let down by GRRM for making the entire Others evil without a cause, when he criticized others for doing so. Maybe he'll provide a reason for it like Justafan mentioned about Children of the Forest creating them as a threat to counter men till they lost control. Like Nuclear Proliferation or something.
Nah I think B20 got it right.
No one feels let down yet because no one knows enough about the Others yet.
If they are pure evil I'd be disappointed too. Not because the story is better if they are not but because why talk about how you think the world doesn't need more good vs evil stories and dark lords and evil races and then do exactly that yourself? Doesn't make sense to me. However I do still hope that it simply won't be the case. Not really willing to spend too much energy on a discussion about how much of a letdown something the author might or might not do would be lol
If they are pure evil I'd be disappointed too. Not because the story is better if they are not but because why talk about how you think the world doesn't need more good vs evil stories and dark lords and evil races and then do exactly that yourself? Doesn't make sense to me. However I do still hope that it simply won't be the case. Not really willing to spend too much energy on a discussion about how much of a letdown something the author might or might not do would be lol
Regarding all this talk of the Others, on a tangential note, what do people reckon regarding any links with Valyria? I know the Doom of Valyria was a volcanic event, so it is unlikely they had anything much to do with its downfall, however the fact that Valyrian steel has the ability to kill them is interesting. Might be just that these weapons are special/magic/awesome or whatever but would be interesting if something deeper lay here regarding a connection between them and Valyria.
There is no relation between them. The Others invasion was 8000 years before the events of the books, while Valyria was founded 5000 years before the events of the books.
The Doom of Valyria most likely it was caused by the Faceless Assassins. Valyrians had 12 mages who controlled volcanoes, and all were assassinated in the same day. And then the doom happened.
Of course, the kindly old man might have been lying to Arya though.
The music in the ending scene was fantastic too.
Danny was quite good this season.
Danny was quite good this season.
It was brilliant, wasn't it (no question mark as it's a statement!).
Looking forward to finishing work and rewatching the final two episodes to get myself pumped before the Wales game
EDIT: Well, more pumped.
EDIT: Well, more pumped.
I've pretty much spent the last week reading up all the fan theories on Reddit after finishing the last two books in April. You can really begin to understand why it took Martin so long to finish the two of them, they go into a level of detail and foreshadowing that the first three books probably don't.
Also made me realise the insane amount of stuff that just went right over my head, to mention just a few:
And likely a whole lot of other stuff.
Also made me realise the insane amount of stuff that just went right over my head, to mention just a few:
The Grand Northern Conspiracy
Mance Raydar is Abel
Jaqen H'Ghar is the alchemist in Oldtown
One of the Sand Snakes is Alleras in Oldtown
Mance Raydar is Abel
Jaqen H'Ghar is the alchemist in Oldtown
One of the Sand Snakes is Alleras in Oldtown
And likely a whole lot of other stuff.
I didn't know anything about the last one (one of the sand snakes...), but the other three were kind of obvious.
Yeah. Sarella is Alleras backwards and the description fits the Martell appearance.
There is also a Dornish master plan conspiracy that involves the books that Arianne was given to read when she was locked up by her father.
I feel genuinely dumb not to have realized that Mance is Abel.
As for the others, obviously I understood that Manderley and some of the other northern houses are out for revenge, but the thing I read on the depth of the conspiracy blew me away. Jaqen was also an easy miss I think, maybe because I read the last two books together so there was a much longer time for me between the two Oldtown chapters.
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So what's the catch with Dany's fleet? Giant storm before landing? Euron? Or is she actually going to sweep in and take the throne?
Hard to see the Lannisters putting up much resistance at this point.
Would they even have the men to hold out against against the Martells and Tyrells?
Nah, I think they're done for. Too many people who want them dead. Tullys, Starks, Martell, Targaryen, Tyrells, BwoB. Even the Arryn's or Petr Baelish wouldn't want them hanging around.
Don't see what Euron can do to her now, and he has been quite underdeveloped so likely he will get the Dorne treatment and get ignored next season.
My guess is a type of an another dance of dragons. She'll fight and kill Aegon, while in the show she'll fight but in the end make an alliance with Jon.
I think that Jon will be King of the North, Riverlands and Vale by the beginning of next season, so he'll have 50k+ soldiers under his command. Tiny compared to Danny, but still a respectable number.
I still have a feeling that Littlefinger is going to play some kind of master trick and end up killing a very important character. Either Sansa or someone completely left field like Tyrion maybe. They've built him up as a very dangerous schemer but he's been relatively quiet recently.
Can't argue with any of that. I wonder how many soldiers Dany has now; 100,000 Dothraki, Unsullied, Houses Greyjoy and Tyrell, plus Dorne, and the ships of all of those as we saw in the last shot.
That's an absurd army, not even accounting for the dragons.
I'm 90% certain that Sansa will kill him. Or play a part in his death.
What if they make Euron full on crazy like the books and he sides with the whitewalkers? It could flesh them out a bit, they share the knowledge and he acts as a mouthpiece.
Quite possibly.
Yeah, Euron might have some Others connection. If he can wake the stone dragon (which would be Martin ripping off Robin Hobb), then he can cause some troubles for Danny.
As it is, Danny is completely unstoppable. Not that she has by far the strongest army on Westeros (although, the Others likely have a bigger on), but she has three nukes which make her undefeatable.
Anyway, Cersei, Euron and probably Littlefinger are the only three remaining antagonists (other than the whitewalkers).
Where exactly are people seeing the connection between Euron and The Others? It can't be just the fact that they're both evil.
Echo the thoughts of many on here when I say I loved he music during the trial in the final episode it was fantastic. However the second king in the north scene was brilliant and eclipsed it.
Aye, somehow they'd still want to build up some "suspense" and probably have something (Euron/a storm) affect the size of her army, which doubts/questions the outcome of her siege on KL! Even though she'd probably annihilate them in an instant.
It's annoying how Dany has just been handed a force like the one she has. The story has been so giving to her this season.
It's annoying that you exist.