Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

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We all know what it means though.
 
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We all know what it means though.
Dear John,

Sorry for the delay in sending this to you, I was waiting for a new order of quills to arrive.

Your father is dead - beheaded. His good wife is dead. All 3 of your half brothers are dead. Your youngest sister is missing, presumed dead.Your eldest sister is some crazy dudes sex play thing.

Now you know something.

Regards,

Varys
 
Dear John,

Sorry for the delay in sending this to you, I was waiting for a new order of quills to arrive.

Your father is dead - beheaded. His good wife is dead. All 3 of your half brothers are dead. Your youngest sister is missing, presumed dead.Your eldest sister is some crazy dudes sex play thing.

Now you know something.

Regards,

Varys
This is basically every letter sent to every person in Westeros.
 
Might have been mentioned already but I seriously disappointed that the politics have been watered down so much. They seem to love the quote "the North remembers" but they haven' included any characters to make it anything more than an idle threat. Same with Dorne cosidering thy haven't had an envoy to Dany to let her know they support her.

Seems like I do a lot of bitching about the show but honestly it's not something I look forward to anymore. I watch it simply because I've read the books and have committed a fair amount of time to the series already. Don't get me wrong it's still one of the best things on TV but knowing that they've had such a good source to reference makes me feel like they ain't doing a brilliant job. I reckon if they had the budget then this show would have suited a 15 episode series like Breaking Bad which would have given them more time to capture the politics better and avoid having too many 'shocking' scenes.
 
Might have been mentioned already but I seriously disappointed that the politics have been watered down so much. They seem to love the quote "the North remembers" but they haven' included any characters to make it anything more than an idle threat. Same with Dorne cosidering thy haven't had an envoy to Dany to let her know they support her.

Seems like I do a lot of bitching about the show but honestly it's not something I look forward to anymore. I watch it simply because I've read the books and have committed a fair amount of time to the series already. Don't get me wrong it's still one of the best things on TV but knowing that they've had such a good source to reference makes me feel like they ain't doing a brilliant job. I reckon if they had the budget then this show would have suited a 15 episode series like Breaking Bad which would have given them more time to capture the politics better and avoid having too many 'shocking' scenes.
Wanker.
 
That was a truly rubbish episode. Got has gone full Hollywood. It's not the reason I watch the show.
 
Everything you've said about how his options have panned out is fair enough, but my issue is that this is a situation of the showrunner's own construction. THEY decided that Melisandre would present burning Shireen as the necessary option, THEY decided to have Stannis bring Melisandre and Shireen with him to Winterfell, THEY decided that Theon would rat Sansa out rather than following through with an escape plot similar to that in the books, which would have landed alternative king's blood in his lap. Every deviation they have made has resulted in this scenario where you can point to it and say "well what else could Stannis do?" when if they had a modicum of fecking sense they could have taken this storyline in a dozen different directions instead.

I just find this character assassination of Stannis and this stupid decision hard to accept just because D&D think I should accept it when literally any bookreader could present a more logical alternative scenario they could have written towards.
Yes of course the writers put Stannis in that situation, but I don't really have a problem with what they did with him here, they put him in such a situation where he had to make an impossible choice, but he was a strong willed and determined man to make that sacrifice which puts a lot of meaning to his character.

They have basically made him a utilitarian, if you agree with that ideology you would be able to see the reason behind his actions, I am a utilitarian myself so it was quite straight forward for me why he did that in the situation he was put in. If I was him in that situation, I'd have done exactly the same thing, it was what had to be done.
 
Yeah good one Duffy, almost as good as the twitter thing.

LOL

LOL DUFFY
Brilliant :lol:

Yes of course the writers put Stannis in that situation, but I don't really have a problem with what they did with him here, they put him in such a situation where he had to make an impossible choice, but he was a strong willed and determined man to make that sacrifice which puts a lot of meaning to his character.

They have basically made him a utilitarian, if you agree with that ideology you would be able to see the reason behind his actions, I am a utilitarian myself so it was quite straight forward for me why he did that in the situation he was put in. If I was him in that situation, I'd have done exactly the same thing, it was what had to be done.
Don't let the other thread hear you say that.
 
Did Ramsey's men break in or did Melisandre instigate the fires so Stannis would burn Shireen? Did this happen in the books?

This part is sort of ahead of the books so no not really, his men are starving/ freezing without any intervention from any of the Bolton forces in the book, I'm also not 100% sure Shireen was even with him.
 
Don't get me wrong it's still one of the best things on TV but knowing that they've had such a good source to reference makes me feel like they ain't doing a brilliant job

This. I feel like some smug judge of taste when I criticize the show, despite its huge popularity. It's still a good show, but it just could be so much better, considering the budget and the source material they have to work with.
 
Their budget is quite low considering what they are doing.

It's basically 3 longish movies a season for a 3rd of your average summer blockbuster's budget.
 
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Someone reported a post in here for containing spoilers, I rejected it because from the titles it seems to me that this one is going to have stuff that spoils the show and the other one is for show talk only.

That's right, right?
 
This. I feel like some smug judge of taste when I criticize the show, despite its huge popularity. It's still a good show, but it just could be so much better, considering the budget and the source material they have to work with.
Wait, so you have read the books?

I'm thread banning you from the show thread.
 
Ironic that book readers are apparently up in arm's that Shireen's death was a book spoiler rather than the other way round.
It's kind of funny though, with the makers, and show watchers all begging the book readers to not spoil the show, and then they're all, "spoil the book? yeah, who gives a feck."

It's not really a massive spoiler though, that might come next week.
 
Ironic that book readers are apparently up in arm's that Shireen's death was a book spoiler rather than the other way round.

I don't think it's likely to happen in the books though, this seems like one those diverging points where the two are separate stories. I don't think anyone is up in arms with the idea that it's a spoiler more that it seems out of character and purely a shock value scene rather than having the nuances the book might have.
 
I don't think it's likely to happen in the books though, this seems like one those diverging points where the two are separate stories. I don't think anyone is up in arms with the idea that it's a spoiler more that it seems out of character and purely a shock value scene rather than having the nuances the book might have.
GRRM is the one who asked the showrunners to do it, apparently, so it's very likely it will be in the books too.
 
GRRM is the one who asked the showrunners to do it, apparently, so it's very likely it will be in the books too.

Yeah that's what i'd seen - more that he gave an indication that it would happen in the book he's writing now.

That said, I hadn't realised the first one apparently came out near 20 years ago! The old boy needs to get cracking!!
 
Mel will probably do it without Stannis' approval which imo would be the easier way out and won't piss off some simpletons but hey ho.
 
Yeah that's what i'd seen - more that he gave an indication that it would happen in the book he's writing now.

That said, I hadn't realised the first one apparently came out near 20 years ago! The old boy needs to get cracking!!

I predict that he will die before the book series is finished.
 
This thread is going to be filled with book spoilers when the next season airs.
 
Ironic that book readers are apparently up in arm's that Shireen's death was a book spoiler rather than the other way round.

It's not really a big spoiler is it? It's been a hugely popular theory for a few years now.