Don't know why so many people in the TV thread think Jon will show up with the Wildlings at Winterfell and help Stannis. Sounds ridiculous to me.
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The ones thinking the kid will kill Sam are equally odd mind, especially with the reasoning "cause he's friend with Jon hurr durr traitor".
Watch the show kill him off and make me look a cnut now.
Watch the show kill him off and make me look a cnut now.
Yeah, that's pretty stupid.
I agree with the general gist of what everyone is predicting for the last two episodes. Probably adding that Ser Jorah Connington will die in the pits, Quentyn style. But not before infecting Meereen with the Grey Mare. 
I had a dream last night about the end of the series.
The Jon stabbing happened as it did in the books, then at the very end of the show Mellisandre did some funky magic voodoo shit and drew out Jon's soul, but instead of warging into Ghost he was resurrected as some super-demon version of the Hound. At this point the perspective of me watching the ending on TV somehow turned into me actually being this hybrid Jon/Sandor Clegane superbadass in the world of Game of Thrones who went on a one man wrecking mission of Westeros, single-handedly smashing the Boltons, Lannisters and Freys, whilst on the way picking up Sansa from Winterfell and completely pummelling The Mountain. Then things started to get even weirder.
Sandor and Sansa settled down in the jungles of Sothyros and met up with a creature, who was basically Gareth Bale. I seem to remember some transfer deal being discussed about sending Bale back to Winterfell, and then I woke up.
I'm now convinced this is part of the plot line for WInds of Winter, it was a very real dream.
The Jon stabbing happened as it did in the books, then at the very end of the show Mellisandre did some funky magic voodoo shit and drew out Jon's soul, but instead of warging into Ghost he was resurrected as some super-demon version of the Hound. At this point the perspective of me watching the ending on TV somehow turned into me actually being this hybrid Jon/Sandor Clegane superbadass in the world of Game of Thrones who went on a one man wrecking mission of Westeros, single-handedly smashing the Boltons, Lannisters and Freys, whilst on the way picking up Sansa from Winterfell and completely pummelling The Mountain. Then things started to get even weirder.
Sandor and Sansa settled down in the jungles of Sothyros and met up with a creature, who was basically Gareth Bale. I seem to remember some transfer deal being discussed about sending Bale back to Winterfell, and then I woke up.
I'm now convinced this is part of the plot line for WInds of Winter, it was a very real dream.
I dreamed about washing my hands and face with soap and then when I woke up I washed my hands and face with soap.
Weird.
Weird.
I think she is being excluded precisely for the reason of Jon. There was some allusion to resurrection earlier in the series but it's been awhile. If Cat Start was resurrected, and then Jon gets all stabbed up, WITH a Red Priestess on hand everyone is going to immediately think "Oh well he's fine". I think by cutting her they hope to maintain some of the shock of Jon getting jacked. My theory anyways.
One thing I hate however are silly cliff hangers like we saw at the end of the last book. It feels somehow low-brow for me. I have however readied myself for the inevitable cliff hanger regarding Jon we all know is coming.
In addition, just because Stoneheart is cut, doesn't really mean Jaime and Brienne are safe. If I recall they got cliff hanged! as well. Who knows.
Dorne is the natural ally of Dany, so Dorne killing Jaime isn't crazy since they will be at war one would imagine. Brienne getting offed in the North wouldn't matter much either in a larger political sense. Both characters could die, even with Catelyn Stark out of the picture.
Just a heads up guys, be careful on Twitter/Facebook etc., there's some leaks/massive spoilers of the coming episode floating around the interwebs at the moment, I myself had something big spoiled which solidifies my notion that the show makers haven't a fecking clue what they are doing.
How did the leaks come out? And I'm guessing the show makers do something very stupid.
On the first point I'm not sure exactly how, but there are screenshots and clips around. On the second point I can't really say any more than I have.
Are they leaks that have massive implications even for book readers?
One of them yes, though it's something which as a book reader makes zero fecking sense hence my comment about the show makers being idiots. Last I'll say on it here to be on the safe side of the spoiler policy, PM me if you wanna know more.
Just had a look. Ffs. Might just stop watching after this season.
Saw a leaked clip. Not good. Not good at all.
Can you all shut up about future stuff please. I don't wanna hear nothin'.
That means you want to hear something.
I have a small feeling of what it could be, but I'm not going to tempt fate by asking or looking online for it at all.
Double negative
Ok a lot of people are gonna be mad.
I don't know what it is and I'm already mad.
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Same here, I'm trying to imagine the worst possible scenario, it can only be better than expected that way
Sure. Or it could be the worst possible scenario. It probably is, actually.
Same here, I'm trying to imagine the worst possible scenario, it can only be better than expected that way
I'm really excited for the episode now, though. Might just stay up and watch it.
ffs
Wow. Not as good as last week, but that was awesome. Except for Shireen.
A lot of book readers are going to be annoyed by the Shireen thing.
In fairness to the writers, they've been foreshadowing it for a fair few seasons now. Plus it probably does serve an actual purpose. For example, you'd have to wonder how Davos can stick by Stannis now. It also firmly kills off pro-Stannis feeling and will make his realization that he isn't AA more devastating for him.
Not nice though. Not nice at all.
In fairness to the writers, they've been foreshadowing it for a fair few seasons now. Plus it probably does serve an actual purpose. For example, you'd have to wonder how Davos can stick by Stannis now. It also firmly kills off pro-Stannis feeling and will make his realization that he isn't AA more devastating for him.
Not nice though. Not nice at all.
Why is it assumed that something similar isn't going to happen in the books?
It was a completely awful, nonsensical decision. Stannis has been established as a guy who loves his daughter unreservedly, despite her greyscale. It’s one of his redeeming features: other people write her off, but he doesn’t give a shit.
It’s poor to divert from that in the show, but then, they never did. They still had him as someone who loved his daughter despite what others thought. Which is good: the scene between them earlier in the show where he reaffirms his love for her was incredibly touching. And then they go out and do that. It’s an awful decision from a storytelling point of view. It’s like Ramsay deciding he isn’t evil, and dedicating his life to tackling poverty in Westeros. Or Cersei deciding she’s cool with Tyrion killing Tywin and allegedly Joffrey, before inviting him back to King’s Landing to be Tommen’s hand.
It also basically ruins Stannis as a character. How are we meant to feel any sympathy for him now? He’s worse than Ramsay. Yeah, Ramsay’s awful, but he’s never burnt his own daughter alive. Stannis’ actions are worse than anyone else’s on the show now, if you’re basing it upon what we’ve seen. He’s a worse father than Tywin. He’s even a worse father than Craster. At least Craster’s sons became white walkers and lived on in some way.
The show writers seem to have abandoned trying to tell a good story in some aspects, and instead just want to give us shock moments for the sake of it. They’ve done some great stuff, and until now I’d enjoyed a lot of the changes this season, but that was just ridiculously stupid and out of character for one of the books best characters.
It’s poor to divert from that in the show, but then, they never did. They still had him as someone who loved his daughter despite what others thought. Which is good: the scene between them earlier in the show where he reaffirms his love for her was incredibly touching. And then they go out and do that. It’s an awful decision from a storytelling point of view. It’s like Ramsay deciding he isn’t evil, and dedicating his life to tackling poverty in Westeros. Or Cersei deciding she’s cool with Tyrion killing Tywin and allegedly Joffrey, before inviting him back to King’s Landing to be Tommen’s hand.
It also basically ruins Stannis as a character. How are we meant to feel any sympathy for him now? He’s worse than Ramsay. Yeah, Ramsay’s awful, but he’s never burnt his own daughter alive. Stannis’ actions are worse than anyone else’s on the show now, if you’re basing it upon what we’ve seen. He’s a worse father than Tywin. He’s even a worse father than Craster. At least Craster’s sons became white walkers and lived on in some way.
The show writers seem to have abandoned trying to tell a good story in some aspects, and instead just want to give us shock moments for the sake of it. They’ve done some great stuff, and until now I’d enjoyed a lot of the changes this season, but that was just ridiculously stupid and out of character for one of the books best characters.
Stannis has said numerous times that he cares for his daughter and values her. He did that on the show too, until he decided to randomly burn her alive.
He’s also kicking about somewhere near Winterfell, whereas Shireen is at the Wall. My guess is Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen now, which makes sense from her point of view if she’s trying to resurrect Jon. But for Stannis to agree to it is just illogical. It’s shoddy writing.
In the books, that would make Stannis a clearly "bad" character. It would also create huge problems for him with his army since most are Southern men who worship the Seven, not R'hllor. If he did that in the books, he would have lost his army on the spot. In the show, that's not really a part of the story. It's greatly simplified.
Would Jon give them aid if he knew that Stannis torched his daughter? Of course not. Stannis is supposed to be sympathetic, somewhat, to Jon because he intends to save Sansa and re-take Winterfell. He's also still basically lawful neutral in the books.
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The inside the episode for episode 9:
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"When George first told us about this..." Looks like this (or something similar) may well happen in the books.
I don't want to see Davos' reaction
Tbf they've been foreshadowing it for a while. Mel said seasons ago that he would betray everything he held dear and betray his family, as well as saying that the LOL needed Shireen. This was coming from a way off and isn't something they pulled out of nowhere.
Plus we could well see something similar happen in the books. There's no rule that says Stannis shouldn't be one of the most dislikeable characters either. He did kill his own brother and was very close to killing his nephew too. Maybe we shouldn't be feeling too much sympathy for him?
It could make sense if this is part of him becoming Azor Ahai since he's killing what he loves most, but he doesn't actually do the killing. If he had stepped up and stabbed her to end her suffering, then he could whip out Lightbringer. Although if they got into the AA bit before the books, it could create major issues for GRRM. There's a lot they can go through without it affecting the books, but I'm pretty sure whoever is the Azor Ahai/Prince who was promised can't be touched before the books.
I expect Shireen to get torched eventually, but it'll be Melissandre who does it without Stannis' order/approval.
Quite possibly. At the same time, we can't say this is entirely out of character for Stannis (especially TV show Stannis). He has already killed family members before, was planning on killing his nephew and has gotten into the habit of burning people to death for obscure reasons.
Plus, ignoring the books altogether, it might be a good move for the TV show depending on what happens next. For example, if you wanted a believable reason for Davos to abandon Stannis the that's it alright.
But those people had all done something against Stannis. Renly took up arms against him despite Stannis having the true claim. Joffrey was a bastard with an illegitimate claim to the throne (and not his nephew) and was at war with him. Shireen had done nothing.
The nephew I was on about was Robert's bastard son though, Gendry in the show and Edric(?) in the books. They hadn't done anything either. This line of thought has crossed his mind before and (in the TV show certainly) it was only Davos that stopped him toasting a relative before now. Which is presumably why he sent Davos away first this time.
Also found it interesting that Davos seemed to know Shireen was in some sort of danger. Wonder how much he suspected might happen?
Melisandre is the one who wanted to sacrifice Edric though, but Stannis refused. Stannis/Davos just let her leech him and use that, which proved quite effective. Davos snuck him away because he wasn't sure Stannis wouldn't eventually give in to Melisandre. So why go and burn his daughter if leeching her was shown to work?
Same reason Mel will likely burn her at some point in the books I guess? I have no idea why it has to be done, I just don't think it was a totally crazy character leap given what we've already seen from him, especially the TV show version.
So i guess this is ok? Wouldnt Deanerys risk getting greyscale?
