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I get his point that you can't really compare the world of Westeros etc to the real world. A 16 year old girl marrying 8 year old boy seems strange but it wouldn't have done 500 years ago.

Becauase I watched the first series first before reading the books I often forget the real ages of the characters in the books. It's just hard to believe at times that someone of Arya's age could do what she has done
 
We don't know the human growth level in these books either. Old Nan was how old? How long do people live if they die naturally? Is it only about 80-90 or can they make it to 200?

They do have these morality rules in the book though. Sure loads of people wouldn't mind raping this one or that one but marriage isn't valid until it's consummated and you can't consummate before a girl starts her period at least.

Age isn't talked about specifically a lot because their measurement of time is different. A year isn't 365 days. Every children in this book hasn't even seen winter. There last was winter about the time Jon Snow was born.
 
GRRM webchat on monday for those who're interested. Empireonline.com

As season two of Game Of Thrones picks up steam on Sky Atlantic, we have a very special visit from George RR Martin, the man who created the world of Westeros in the first place. The bestselling author is going to be taking your questions in an Empire webchat, so come along and see what you can learn about the most talked-about show on TV and the books that inspired them (or indeed any of his other work as well). Webchat Is Coming. To be precise, it's happening on MONDAY APRIL 23 at 1PM (BST) so be there, or be sent to the Wall to take the black.
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:lol: Probably. Catelyn and Sansa are two of my least favorite characters. Sansa for being a dumb whore, and Catelyn for being a huge bitch.
 
Sansa is a kid, I can understand her. Catelyn really is a bitch, though.

I would delete your last post in the other thread, though. That comes pretty close to saying that she'll get worse later (and in the books).
 
She's no Arya, that's for sure.

Though with Arya, I don't particularly like this whole assassination thing. She's meant to completely disregard her history and be "no one", but I reckon she won't.
 
Yup the next few should be very interesting, it's all been setting the stage so far really.
 
Yea Matt, you kind of went overboard with that one. The Azhor Azhai thing is an unknown thing for TV watchers. There's also never been said anything in the books anywhere that Jon isn't Neds bastard. That's what he's known for and it has never been denied. The whole theory is based on Ned not strictly saying "my son" but then again he didn't spend that much time together with him.

I'm personally not sold on this theory myself and it definitely shouldn't be talked about in the TV thread.
 
I'm not going to post in that thread anymore. They have hinted at the theory in the show though, when he and Robert were talking about it. Well, Robert was prying and Ned refused to give on it.
 
They have not hinted at that theory at all. It's based on so many things that haven't happened at all in the books.

In the show, what do you know about Rhaegar, Lyanna? Practically nothing. Besides their names and the fact that they are dead there's nothing else to it. I saw the first season before I read all the books. What I thought of that Robert-Ned scene was that he was embarrassed for his mistake and he didn't want to talk about it. That's all I thought about it and nothing more has been said of it in the show.

The "good" thing about your spoiler is that it doesn't really spoil much but they don't know that and telling them that would be spoiling again.
 
Sir Matt said:
I'm not going to post in that thread anymore. They have hinted at the theory in the show though, when he and Robert were talking about it. Well, Robert was prying and Ned refused to give on it.
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I don't agree that they have hinted at it. You should have known it wasn't suitable for that thread. Nor was the other stuff you posted, where you essentially said that the later books give you a better reason to dislike Catelyn. People don't want to know these things. The point is, even just saying "it's just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed" actually confirms that it's not going to come up in the series (pretty much), which is a spoiler in itself.
 
Anyone seen this? Highly interesting. I find GRRM is just always excellent in interviews and talks. Not at all surprised about what he says about the Red Wedding (it being the hardest scene he's ever written), or the one after (that that one was easy and fun, since everyone wanted that little shit dead - actual quote)

 
I've seen a few brief interviews and I can never shake the fact that he looks like Santa holidaying in Florida or something.
 
Yeah, it was intense. People haven't exactly been complaining about the season so far, but they do seem to think it's lacking a certain Bean'ness. I think it's been good, though. And it's going to get a lot better. It's going to take off now.
 
One disappointment. I mentioned the mountain and my friend was like who? They've not written him well enough into the show. He's supposed to be a notorious individual that everyone will recognize on sight without having seen him before. I don't think he's that big at all. Looks on par with Brienne :nervous:
 
Well it's hard to find an 8 ft tall actor I'd imagine. I'm sure they'll go into more detail on him soon, they're already showing how sadistic his troops are.

I've seen a lot of people concerned about how 'magicky' they went with the shadow birth (and ridiculously dark/graphic) and we saw this smoke monster thing at the end, as opposed to just a shadow against the light or something, they think it could put off the 'normal' viewers that the show appeals to. I don't think so though, the main reaction people seemed to give was "WHAT DA FOOK WAZZAT?"

Also, I hate Joffrey even more than in the books, his actor is good. Though the 'spanking' scene was sort of needless, I think it was another one just thrown in for a bit of tits.

And that nurse girl Robb talks to, that's not Jeyne is it? She said some other name I thought?
 
I don't mind their casting of the Mountain, or even how he has been portrayed. He's more important later on, for a bit. This isn't the bulkiest guy I've ever seen, but really, how easy is it to find an actor of that size who can act and can commit to playing a part role for that long?
 
Cina said:
Well it's hard to find an 8 ft tall actor I'd imagine. I'm sure they'll go into more detail on him soon, they're already showing how sadistic his troops are.

I've seen a lot of people concerned about how 'magicky' they went with the shadow birth (and ridiculously dark/graphic) and we saw this smoke monster thing at the end, as opposed to just a shadow against the light or something, they think it could put off the 'normal' viewers that the show appeals to. I don't think so though, the main reaction people seemed to give was "WHAT DA FOOK WAZZAT?"

Also, I hate Joffrey even more than in the books, his actor is good. Though the 'spanking' scene was sort of needless, I think it was another one just thrown in for a bit of tits.

And that nurse girl Robb talks to, that's not Jeyne is it? She said some other name I thought?
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They don't need to. They just do it like Peter Jackson with LOTR. All about perspectives. He should be like Hagrid in Harry Potter compared to the others.

You're right about the shadow thing. It looked nice and the reactions were either "Holy shit!" or a disgruntled wtf.

That girl is supposed to be Jeyne Westerling. We know it because she's credited that way. They just did something more with the character than what was in the book. This episode took more creative liberties than any other show thus far.
 
I could've sworn she said a different name than Jeyne when asked, but maybe we'll find out.

I've no problem with the mountain as he is.
 
Cina said:
I could've sworn she said a different name than Jeyne when asked, but maybe we'll find out.

I've no problem with the mountain as he is.
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She said Talisa. But we both know that names aren't set in stone. There was already a Jeyne. Too confusing for us simple minded audience members to have two characters with the same name.
 
Yeah that's what I assumed. Though maybe the writers are actually going to have Rob just marry this nurse as opposed to a girl actually born of a house, so that it looks like even more of a kick in the teeth to the arrangement with the Freys.
 
I don't think it's very cool. Martin's point about kings is that they are often portrayed as some kind of equals to the commoners. Commoners don't dare speak to the king unless spoken to and they certainly don't speak back. Her character doesn't fit in. In the book she's pretty much the opposite. In this Robb gets turned on by watching her cut of a foot. Wtf?
 
I hope they just changed the name, not the essence of the character. Not that there's that much of a character to change, as we barely got to see any of her and Rob in the books. We'll definitely see more of them in the tv series, which is simply natural. I understand the name changes they make, like Robert > Robin, Asha to Yara, etc. In a TV setting, it's much easier to get names confused than with books.
 
That's why I'm pretty sure she's a different character and Jeyne won't actually be in this. He'll marry her instead.
 
Snow said:
I don't think it's very cool. Martin's point about kings is that they are often portrayed as some kind of equals to the commoners. Commoners don't dare speak to the king unless spoken to and they certainly don't speak back. Her character doesn't fit in. In the book she's pretty much the opposite. In this Robb gets turned on by watching her cut of a foot. Wtf?
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Must be the Stark side in him. The women seem to be tough as nails, even Sansa towards the end is coming that way.

Jeyne Westerling wasn't a huge character, I doubt we'll even see her in the books again. They probably had to change her name so people don't get confused with Jeyne Poole later. The Westerlings are irrelevant, Tywin can still win the war with ravens without them.
 
niMic said:
I hope they just changed the name, not the essence of the character. Not that there's that much of a character to change, as we barely got to see any of her and Rob in the books. We'll definitely see more of them in the tv series, which is simply natural. I understand the name changes they make, like Robert > Robin, Asha to Yara, etc. In a TV setting, it's much easier to get names confused than with books.
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I don't think viewers even know the names. Ask someone what the name of the slave girl is. Or what the red priestess' name is. You think most of them will answer correctly? They haven't been mentioned more than once so the names aren't confusing. Maybe if two characters had the same name it will be easier to remember. This one and that one. Because last names are mentioned even less if it isn't one of the big houses.
 
Seems some in the other thread don't like the lack of a main protagonist this series. Although I don't think it's the focus on one person's storyline that is necessarily missing, it's because it's hard to side with any particular character thus far.

It's obvious that John Snow and Sam are the good guys and there's probably empathy towards Dany, but they've seen so little of them. The only strong emotional connection is the hatred for Joffrey.

As the story develops that should be less of a problem but the new characters introduced are always going to have that problem really.
 
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