It's a big plothole for me this whole Arya chapter. Why wouldn't she have Tywin killed? Of course she would. She's fully capable of knowing the impact it would have on the war.
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She's a 10 year old impulsive girl. She kills Chiswyck and Weese because they're blatantly affecting her life. She gets rid of them.
A few chapters later she realizes what she's done and is distraught about it.
I could never really understand her third kill though. Or maybe I just read it too quickly to sink in.
She kills them. She. She knows well who Tywin is and what he's done and what he's doing. She knows he's her brothers biggest enemy. And know she has a free kill.
Tywin better leave the camp at the beginning of the next show. He just got to. Wouldn't make one bit of sense if he doesn't.
She named Jaqen to force him to help out in the "weasel soup" incident. In hopes that she would change her mind, he went along with it to even out the debt to the many-faced god.
Oh yeah I remember now, completely forgot that it was a bargaining chip to help the Northmen at Harrenhal
Then why didn't she try to have the Mountain killed in the books? Or even anyone else. They don't have to physically be there. It's been a while since I read it, but didn't she later lament that she'd been stupid, that she could have had him kill anyone?
I forgot to point out before that Pyromancer Hallyne is played by Roy Dotrice who voiced all the audiobooks. He sounds a bit less likely to die on the spot in the show than he does reading the books.
The fact that they don't physically have to be there is something she didn't know. I didn't take it that way. He did say that you only needed to give him a name. Saying that would make you assume that they would be near you for him to have seen them around because the strangeness of Jaquen is unknown to most people.
Like I said Tywin better leave Harrenhal quickly, and I think he will, like the Mountain did in the books (if I remember correctly). The Mountain and his men didn't stay much in the castle. They came back with people and stuff, raped and ate some stuff and went out again. And it only makes sense that your first name is someone killable. Saying the Mountain or Joffrey or Tywin straight away sounds unreal. Hell, naming the Mountain even after the first kill has been made still seem unthinkable.
This was the best episode so far I thought. Perhaps because it had more of Jon Snow or perhaps the 4th episode was the worst in the series so far. This episode also had no nudity when it did have the perfect opportunity to have it (isn't Qarth the place where all the woman have dresses where one boob is hanging out?).
Agree that episode 5 was very good. I think you're right that the Tokar's are from Qarthian culture. I guess they thought it would be too distracting if Emilia Clarke had one tit hanging out in all of her scenes
Emilia Clarke apparently has a no nudity clause in her contract now 
Agree that episode 5 was very good. I think you're right that the Tokar's are from Qarthian culture. I guess they thought it would be too distracting if Emilia Clarke had one tit hanging out in all of her scenes
Well I suppose you're not just paying Emilia Clarke for the boob. You're paying all the other actresses for their boobs too. Might as well just have everyone dress normally. I suppose the boob was necessary in the book to establish that Xaro Xhoan Daxos wasn't attracted to Dany as much as Ser Jorah was, but they established that with dialogue instead and it seems to work well enough.
Another ending with a big deviation from the books. Am I right in saying that the warlocks never took any of Daenaerys dragons? I guess the purpose of it is to give her even more of a reason to burn the house of the undying to the ground, and to be fair, shit all interesting actually happens in the book with her anyway.
I don't recall the dragons ever being stolen or leaving Danny's side except for the brief moment she gave it away in Astapor to trade for the Unsullied. I suppose they did it in the TV show to give her a reason to visit the house of the undying? You're probably right in saying it also justifies her burning it to the ground and having Drogon barbeque everyone inside too.
Is it just me or is Tywin Lannister really stealing the show? Last two episodes he has been an absolute boss and im enjoying the developing relationship between him and Arya. I remember not liking Tywin very much when reading the books but the TV version is much more likeable. I can't really remember if there was a lot of dialogue between them in the book? Im sure some of the TV dialogue is the same as the book but the littlefinger part was new?
I loved this episode. There were many deviations from the book, but they all really worked in my opinion.
Well Arya wasn't his cupbearer in the book so there wasn't. I'm pretty sure he wasn't really in Harrenhal much in the book? I agree though, they're almost making him too likable, seeing as you're supposed to genuinely hate him in the books. But he's been really good to Arya and is a very good character.
Right she was Roose Bolton's cupbearer! Been too long since I read the earlier books. They do seem to be making him a bit too likeable although I suppose he wasn't really a "bad" guy in the book so to speak.
Also they seem to have completely changed the kill list of Jaqen H'ghar so far and obviously completely ignored the character Weese who was Arya's overseer at Harrenhal. This is probably the only episode so far in the series that has taken so many liberties in changing the original story in the book.
I don't mind the changes as so far they've worked. They do need to be careful though.
Best episode so far for me, the next few are going to be immense
Best episode so far for me, the next few are going to be immense
The other big changed I noticed was the fact that I'm pretty sure Robb Stark was married off by the time Catelyn Stark got back from the Baratheons. There is no way I can imagine Catelyn would let Robb marry in her presence even if he is the King of the North (though I suppose this is what will happen given his wedding to Jeyne Westerling is a key catalyst for the story).
Also feel like Turncoat Theon taking over Winterfell has happened a bit early than expected! I hope the next episode we see Theon kill the two farmer's boys (?) but make it out to the audience that Bran and Rickon are dead. Would love to see people's reactions then.
Also feel like Turncoat Theon taking over Winterfell has happened a bit early than expected! I hope the next episode we see Theon kill the two farmer's boys (?) but make it out to the audience that Bran and Rickon are dead. Would love to see people's reactions then.
The end was pretty shitty wasn't it. I don't see the purpose to change that aspect. Did they feel her story was dull so they needed to throw a cliffhanger in there?
The House of the Undying also looked way different than I remember it being described. I looked it up and it said this.
Well, what we saw was a big ass tower. No black roofs and all stone.
Also Finchy from the office. Is he really supposed to be Dagmer Cleftjaw? They might have mentioned that and given it some back story because Theon is a prince and this guy is looking down at him and basically ordering him. That's not how this world works. But if we were to know this was Cleftjaw it would make sense.
This show really needs some budget for makeup. The Hound is the only one so far that is pulled of right. We've got no missing noses or shark teeth. Cleftjaw looks normal and Ygritte has perfect teeth and her eyes done instead of buckteeth and being a dirty and scruffy looking wildling.
Somehow I feel the producers have had their fingers in this a bit too much. These deviations feel like their coming from the TV and/or money people. Not the people that actually get the show made like the writers/directors or GRRM.
The House of the Undying also looked way different than I remember it being described. I looked it up and it said this.
Well, what we saw was a big ass tower. No black roofs and all stone.
Also Finchy from the office. Is he really supposed to be Dagmer Cleftjaw? They might have mentioned that and given it some back story because Theon is a prince and this guy is looking down at him and basically ordering him. That's not how this world works. But if we were to know this was Cleftjaw it would make sense.
This show really needs some budget for makeup. The Hound is the only one so far that is pulled of right. We've got no missing noses or shark teeth. Cleftjaw looks normal and Ygritte has perfect teeth and her eyes done instead of buckteeth and being a dirty and scruffy looking wildling.
Somehow I feel the producers have had their fingers in this a bit too much. These deviations feel like their coming from the TV and/or money people. Not the people that actually get the show made like the writers/directors or GRRM.
This episode seemed a lot more violent than previous ones. I mean, there's been violence before, but here you had the Dothraki with their throats cut, the priest being torn apart, Rodrick's head being cut off, and The Hound disemboweling somebody.
Not that I'm complaining. The Hound's scene in particular really established him as somebody that you don't want to mess with.
Anyone know what they're planning on doing with Bran and Rickon? I know Osha is meant to be taking the place of the Reeds, so they'll be going with Bran on his journey, but in the books she goes with Rickon. So is Rickon staying with them? Are they sending Hodor and Rickon off and keeping Osha with Bran?
Not that I'm complaining. The Hound's scene in particular really established him as somebody that you don't want to mess with.
Anyone know what they're planning on doing with Bran and Rickon? I know Osha is meant to be taking the place of the Reeds, so they'll be going with Bran on his journey, but in the books she goes with Rickon. So is Rickon staying with them? Are they sending Hodor and Rickon off and keeping Osha with Bran?
Hodor has to be with Bran as his sole purpose in the books is to carry the disabled Bran around. Can't see Osha being able to do that as they go up north. I guess they will all travel together and maybe meet the Reeds along the way. I think the Reeds could still turn up or at least one of them towards the end of this season or next year. They do provide a bit more of a back story to Ned Stark which I can't see Osha doing.
Reading the 'no book talk' thread is like reading the future of crushed soles.
"Can't wait to see Robb tear Theon apart"
"Hope that assassin doesn't disappear after the 3rd kill"
etc.
Can't wait until the Red Wedding. When you read it it was such a shock and tore you up inside. I imagine it will get the TV people just plain angry. Especially Americans. They're such suckers for happy endings, something this season will not have.
"Can't wait to see Robb tear Theon apart"
"Hope that assassin doesn't disappear after the 3rd kill"
etc.
Can't wait until the Red Wedding. When you read it it was such a shock and tore you up inside. I imagine it will get the TV people just plain angry. Especially Americans. They're such suckers for happy endings, something this season will not have.
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Bit of a shame they've killed Amory Lorch as I was hoping we'd get to see him shredded to pieces by a giant bear.
Cheers. I also noticed some other thing. I read from other posts that it was the Warlocks that took the dragon and assumed it was right. Looking back on the episode there's nothing there that confirms that. Just some guy who's cloaked. No baldness or blue lips are visible and the house (castle, whatever) doesn't look like the House of the Undying's description so it might not be them. In the book the Warlock guy (can't remember his name) persuades her to visit them. Perhaps he gets back the dragons and by doing so gets her to come visit.
I think season 1 episode 9 already established the absence of happy endings.
And as for the budget talk, if there is any substantial budget this season, it's going to go towards the Battle of the Blackwater.
Edit: And yes I can't help but smirk while reading the other thread. I imagine they're going to present Bran and Rickon's "deaths" the same way they did in the book and mount up the farmers' boys heads at the end of one of the next few episodes, and boy are people going to be pissed when that happens.
Edit II: Alfie Allen was fantastic in this episode. You can see that he's still conflicted despite crossing the line, so when Reek becomes more sympathetic later, it's not too big of a stretch. Though I suppose by then, they'll be more accepting of that once Jaime becomes a central character.
And as for the budget talk, if there is any substantial budget this season, it's going to go towards the Battle of the Blackwater.
Edit: And yes I can't help but smirk while reading the other thread. I imagine they're going to present Bran and Rickon's "deaths" the same way they did in the book and mount up the farmers' boys heads at the end of one of the next few episodes, and boy are people going to be pissed when that happens.
Edit II: Alfie Allen was fantastic in this episode. You can see that he's still conflicted despite crossing the line, so when Reek becomes more sympathetic later, it's not too big of a stretch. Though I suppose by then, they'll be more accepting of that once Jaime becomes a central character.
I really hope that they present the deaths in the same or similar way. Let it sink in for people.
How long were they "dead" in the books again? In my memory it was quite long.
How long were they "dead" in the books again? In my memory it was quite long.
It was long enough to be believable. Bran was absent for at least one rotation of POV characters and then the very end when his chapter came up.
I assume they'll not be in the next episode and their heads will be shown on the spikes at the end, and then the end of the NEXT episode will show them running around in the woods.
Yeah I felt really down between the period when Turncoat Theon murders those farmer's boys and we realise Bran is still alive. Just as bad as the Red Wedding.
I hope this is recreated for the tv audience but it is a bit more difficult to do so visually.
For me the TV series has added more to the Theon character. I can see that story-line being excellent. The actor has really managed to capture how weak the character is.
I dislike Bran but I don't think I ever enjoyed that character in the books either.
I dislike Bran but I don't think I ever enjoyed that character in the books either.
I so badly wanted to spoiler this! Particularly the bit in bold. Too bad tv audiences will not really see how dark Tywin's shade of grey is till next year or even the year after that.
Aside from the Tyrion scenes, the ones involving Tywin and Arya have been the best.
Heh yeah they are portraying him differently. he's not even really in the 2nd book, only with Tyrion talks about how much of a twat he is.
It doesn't help that Charles Dance is such a good actor, he's got serious charisma, hard not to like.
It doesn't help that Charles Dance is such a good actor, he's got serious charisma, hard not to like.
Dolorous Edd hasn't been shown at all has he? My favorite character on the wall. He brought some humor to the wall with his gloomy views on everything. One of the funnier characters in the books.
How have you not noticed him? He's had some great lines!
I'm not going to read any of this thread as I'm midway through a storm of swords. But I need to express my feelings on what just happened.
In short, feck you George rr martin. what in the absolute feck was that? My favorite fecking character and he strolls into the most obvious trap possible. Listen to your fecking wolf for a change. feck sakes.
And I'm out. Rip the king in the north.
In short, feck you George rr martin. what in the absolute feck was that? My favorite fecking character and he strolls into the most obvious trap possible. Listen to your fecking wolf for a change. feck sakes.
And I'm out. Rip the king in the north.
I think the death of Rob finally clicked it with me, this isn't going to end well for anyone.
Happy Endings are not on the cards, not even for the 'bad guys'.
Happy Endings are not on the cards, not even for the 'bad guys'.