Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

niMic said:
The last book was lackluster, but the rest have been top rate. Personally, I don't have a problem with length. You don't read sci fi or fantasy if you don't like long books :p
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Well i read them all in the space of about 1/2 months, i dont care about length either. It's what you are getting for that length! the plot moves slowely and there is so much left to happen/do and i just dont know how with the current pace of things how anything can be truely resolved in 2 more books.
 
niMic said:
Last book nothing really happened, but I don't get your point about the earlier books. Feels like stuff happened all the time.
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well the last one it just lead up to THAT ending which was shite... although it was good in a sense but with the way things have been happening you have to think when it's the end it's never really the end. Unless you get Ned Starked...
 
Joff did order the murders. It was clarified in the preview for this week's show.

:drool: Pyke should be interesting.
 
Bit disappointed with that. I hope they're not trying to change Cersei too much. She's supposed to be an evil bitch. I remain hopeful that they aren't changing her too much, though. After all, they've got to milk the Joffrey-hate while he's still alive.
 
:lol: Indeed. It also shows how desperate she is. She won't unravel the same way without all the desperate schemes to save herself.
 
I forgot to mention in here that there were streams of this episode last Tuesday.... Too late now :lol:
 
So, episode 2. Thought it was very good, but wow, they're deviating quite heavily from the books aren't they?

That scene with Jon and Craster at the end was surprising, it could take things in an entirely different direction from the books. Also, Stannis wife was never 'barren', and I'm surprised they actually showed Stannis tonking Melisandre, it was sort of hinted at in the books but never really obvious.
 
I don't think they've changed that much. It's more a case of this being a very different medium to books. There are some outright changes, like Craster finding Jon, but mostly it's just showing stuff that was more "off scene" in the books. Like the gay lovestory, and Stannis/Melisandre.
 
My favorite part last night was when Baelish was in the brothel and had to rush in a woman who'd just finished with her previous customer. :lol:
 
What happened in the books instead of the craster thing? can't remember
 
Well for one thing I don't think Craster went outside at all whilst the Watch was there. He was just drunk all the time.
 
Sir Matt said:
My favorite part last night was when Baelish was in the brothel and had to rush in a woman who'd just finished with her previous customer. :lol:
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That was pretty sick alright. Wiping the cum of her face :lol: This show has no limits at all.

In the books the watch never found out anything from Craster himself, and not that early on as I recall. That's why I was a bit disappointed they went down that road. I understand they want to deviate, but that's a big one. Bronn was never made City Watch leader, not that early on anyway, wasn't he not? I can only assume it's because they don't want to keep introducing new characters.

Also, G.R.R.M is writing the Blackwater battle episode, this may be slightly disappointing, but expected I guess (not really a spoiler, but I'll put it here seeing as it's about future events in the TV show, kinda). Small interview:

So with the next book, have you now gotten to the point where you no longer need to have the characters in separate books?
That is certainly my hope, yes. Three years from now when I’m sitting on 1,800 pages of manuscript with no end in sight, who the hell knows.

Which episode of Game of Thrones are you writing next season?
The Battle of the Blackwater, God help me. David and Dan must hate me.

That’s the one where you have to be most conscious of budgetary decisions.
It’s very tough because we don’t have the budget to do the battle in the book. We just don’t.

Well, they have to be able to show the ships and what happens to them, right?
I hope so. We’ll see. I’m writing it. I’m cutting certain things. We’ll see once I turn it in if we can do it.
 
Bronn being made city watch is a brilliant move, IMO. You're right on the money, they don't want to keep adding too many new, minor characters. So the decision was (apparently) made to have Bronn take the role instead. At the end of the day, it only means more Bronn, which is awesome.
 
niMic said:
We should get a pool going on how long it will take before someone comes into this thread by mistake and has everything ruined for them.
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Oh ffs I just realised this is the book thread. Fuuuuuck.
 
The Melisandre thing is weird to me. I never interpreted it as she and Stannis had anything going on. Stannis is too proper to cheat on his wife. The only reason he's even trying to be king is because it's his right. He doesn't especially want to be king, but rather than someone illegitimately taking it, he'll take it.
 
He probably did for the shade thing to work, but he's a passionless man. I can't see him getting all hot and bothered and just needing to bang her. Besides, she wants Jon now(in the books). He's the Azor Ahai.
 
He's definitely doing her in my opinion. No man is that proper and they normally have one vice and his is Melisandre.
 
Sir Matt said:
He probably did for the shade thing to work, but he's a passionless man. I can't see him getting all hot and bothered and just needing to bang her. Besides, she wants Jon now(in the books). He's the Azor Ahai.
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According to internet theories. Not according to the books. For all we know he might be dead.
 
Snow said:
According to internet theories. Not according to the books. For all we know he might be dead.
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:nono: He can't be dead. :nervous:

Melisandre saves him or revives him-->since he died, his obligation to the Watch is fulfilled. Then, he can go HAM on the Others and everyone else. He'll probably hate-feck the shit out of Dany, too. She deserves it for being such a pain in the ass the last two books. :lol:

The Jon-Dany stuff will definitely be done via Ghost with Jon as a warg.
 
I had initially thought the novels would lead up to Jon Snow and Dany meeting up with each other towards the end given Ice would Jon Snow and Fire is Dany. However having read on it just seems too simplistic and who knows what state Jon is right now.
 
It was reasonable until he threw in Aegon. I think Aegon might be one of my favorite characters, depending on how he's developed. While Dany is pissing around being whiny, Aegon, with the better claim, has been working steadily towards retaking his kingdom. Or at least Jon Connington and the Golden Company have been. He also appears to be more humble and reasonable than Dany.

He doesn't have the dragons, but the dragons at present are worthless. Dany has made two of them insane while the other is wild. There is tons that will happen in Westeros with the assault of Aegon and whatever happens with him and Dorne.

Aegon threw a rather large monkey wrench into the projected plot possibilities. :lol:
 
She doesn't have the dragons any more as far as we know. Perhaps only the one but he seems only to respond to her when she's in trouble. The others are gone somewhere.

She's to young and foolish to rule. Unless she gets Melisandre on her side I don't see her getting close to the throne unless she's visiting her cousin.
 
Young and foolish never stopped the other kings, especially the Targaryens. She's also slightly crazy. Rhaegar was the reasonable Targaryen and expected to be a great king. Aegon, if he has similar traits, would be the ideal. I suspect the two dragons in Meereen are "lost" since she's gone. Not sure how long Barristan and the others will last without her there.
 
One thing I've learned from these books is that no character is ever dead until you actually see them die, even then it's not plainly obvious.
 
Jon is dead.

I'd bet anything on it.

The question is will he stay dead? The entire series has been building towards the White Walkers crossing the wall and Daenerys coming to Westeros. Jon is the Commander of the Night's Watch. For the White Walkers to cross the wall, the Watch has to fail. If Jon is Commander he isn't going to be very heroic losing the wall and allowing Zombies to invade the south.

Moreover as the pledge goes, only death relieves Jon of his duty to the Night's Watch.

For Jon, who is probably a Targaryan, to go to Daenerys or do ANYTHING he literally has to die. Melisandre is there. We already know she is capable of bringing people back to life and her power is growing. She has had an infatuation with Jon, and it is arguable that the entire point of Melisandre hooking up with Stannis was to follow him to Jon Snow.

Jon Snow is probably Azor Ahai reborn, he's had a dream of fighting with a burning sword (light bringer), or he is a device to bring Melisandre closer to the actual Azor Ahai.

The living candidates are Daenerys and Victarion Greyjoy.

(Edit) In fact it wouldn't shock me if Melisandre is actually behind the apparent assassination.
 
Well yes, he's temporarily dead. But he's obviously not dead dead. It's a little bit silly, actually. I get the feeling GRRM wanted it to be as shocking as some of his earlier... escapades. But it's not. No one in their right mind could believe Jon is truly dead.
 
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