I agree - I think he's done very well and what he's done at Spurs so far is very commendable. Very rarely do you hear him complain about his resources, he just gets on with it and gets the maximum out of the players he has.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I agree - I think he's done very well and what he's done at Spurs so far is very commendable. Very rarely do you hear him complain about his resources, he just gets on with it and gets the maximum out of the players he has.
Probably as competitive as spurs if they were based in the capital and able to ensure they could charge £1000+ for the cheapest season tickets. Being in London is a massive advantage for Spurs as compared to the likes of Everton, Villa who some would argue are as 'big'
I agree that there are no guarantees in football, but we're already competitive, so the extra stadium income is not likely to make things worse.
There are also extra costs associated with being in London. For example, building a new stadium elsewhere would be cheaper in terms of both land and some of the construction labour.
Just watched a YouTube video the F2 did with him, where he put them through some training exercises. 2 things that came across...
1) seemed like a really personable guy. Sometimes when pro's do videos with youtubers they look like they can't be arsed, but Poch really got into it.
2) they guy has still got it with the ball. I know this might seem obvious seeing as he was a professional player, but I wonder what the difference is for players if your boss is every bit as good with the ball as you are? Obviously there have been very successful managers who haven't played to a high level, so maybe a mute point....it was just interesting to me to see Poch's touch and passing to be shit-hot.
I'll link it if anyone's interested
1) seemed like a really personable guy. Sometimes when pro's do videos with youtubers they look like they can't be arsed, but Poch really got into it.
2) they guy has still got it with the ball. I know this might seem obvious seeing as he was a professional player, but I wonder what the difference is for players if your boss is every bit as good with the ball as you are? Obviously there have been very successful managers who haven't played to a high level, so maybe a mute point....it was just interesting to me to see Poch's touch and passing to be shit-hot.
I'll link it if anyone's interested
Yeah, it is quite interesting that the managers/coaches that seem most successful now in the PL; Guardiola, Klopp and I will add Pochettino then as well: All seem very hands-on in practice. Conte was as well from the vids I have seen.
Mourinho seems to be a ltb more hands-off, leaving more to his assistants but I guess its not that of a big difference. But still.
Where there is a significant difference is compared to earlier. Sir Alex almost never handled any practice sessions himself. At all.
I don´t know if I have a point to be honest or if its more of a reflection. Maybe it is that the more active coaches (I choose that term) of today seems to be getting more out of their individual players than the more traditional managers; if I can refer Mourinho to that category.
Not sure about the other records, but in 8 matches, he's only beaten a Klopp coached team once, so not that impressive
As for Poche, he intrigues me, as I am just not sure how good he is yet - and for that reason I'd love to see him make a move to one of the bigger clubs where there can't be a managing of expectations.
I think this 'he's done so well with so little' is overstated though, as until this summer, he's actually spent a fair bit. He certainly wasn't poverty struck. And yes, he helped build a really talented team at Spurs, deserves credit for that. They may now be suffering though from a bit of staleness / tiredness, due to not being willing or able to spend this summer. So that may come back to bite them of course .
I think he is in a place of comfort at Spurs, as expectations are well managed, where so many fall for the 'poverty' angle. Will he leave the comfort zone? IF Spurs don't make the CL this year, I think he will if a top job is available and if a club is impressed enough.
Rate him but his European record is so poor .
Arsenal says hi... oh... wait...
A stadium wont mean nothing without players to back it up.
Spurs got lucky with kane/alli/rose and tbf they made a good signing that matters. Without them you'd be midtable.
The different between proper rich club is that they can bolster their squad when needed, you dont. The day kane says he wants a move to madrid youre fecked. Because you now have a grand stadium, no money, and no player to back it up.
You wont be a proper top club until you won something consistently, you cant buy the top tier player even when you have the money. And after a while your luck with cheap good signing will end, pochetinno will move to madrid, you'd end up with mediocre manager.
Spurs got lucky with kane/alli/rose and tbf they made a good signing that matters. Without them you'd be midtable.
The different between proper rich club is that they can bolster their squad when needed, you dont. The day kane says he wants a move to madrid youre fecked. Because you now have a grand stadium, no money, and no player to back it up.
You wont be a proper top club until you won something consistently, you cant buy the top tier player even when you have the money. And after a while your luck with cheap good signing will end, pochetinno will move to madrid, you'd end up with mediocre manager.
I agree with you that it's not easy to add to the team such as richer clubs, but I don't think it's fair to downplay the improvement and put it down to luck. We've overall been good with recruitment, investing in infrastructure and developing players. Putting down Uniteds success with Giggs, Scholes and so on, and put it all down to luck wouldn't be fair either.
Talent is a pot of luck. Even la massia, ajax, and our academy cant guarantee a good crop.
Most of those academy would have no problems moulding an EPL level player, but top 3 quality isnt guaranteed. Our last quality youth product is co92.
Then Spurs made that luck by giving opportunities to young players and nurturing them which improved them over time.
Rose was converted and given game time he might not have got at another club. They took a chance on signing Alli from the lower leagues and left there on loan for the remainder of the season not rushing him. And they sent Kane out on loan to get used to playing against men in first team football and he came back ready to make a big impact.
It doesnt work only by giving them time and patience. Rose works because his talent is there. If we give cbj the same game time it doesn't mean he'll turn into another rose.
We have a great youth coachs as well, Barcelona has even better coach and a b team. That doesnt mean every young player they have would turn out Barcelona ready.
And regarding poaching rose from lower division things like this isn't a guarantee. The same scout that scouted rose wouldn't be guaranteed to find another one (if any). We bought smailing from lower league, give him game time and all that and he still end up as smailing we all think isn't good enough.
It's luck, buddy.
MUFC brought through the co92 and since then we've had some decent youth players, in dribs and drabs, but nothing awe inspriing.
Ajax had their youth products which brought them big success in the mid 90s. But since then, nothing great. Obviously, they'll produce some good players, in dribs and drabs.
Barca - same deal. They brought through a great group of youth players, which matured, resulting in multiple trophies. Since then, they have bought the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Dembele, Coutinho, etc because their youth system is not producing the quality. They'll still produce players, in dribs and drabs, but nothing Earth shattering.
Spurs - they have produced some good youth players, who have matured well. Spurs have them in the team right now. Do expect Spurs to continue doing this....nope. It may be another 15-20 years when we see another crop of youth players, all come through together and make impact on the first team.
As someone else said, it really is luck (but obviously a club invests to ensure that when luck is being dished out, they are in with a chance to get some of that luck).
Plenty of players have potential. Few come close to realizing it. We've had lots of players with the talent, but few who were developed properly or worked hard enough at improving.
I said Alli came from the lower divisions, not Rose. And Smalling is our best CB so speak for yourself, but not too much
Very glad to hear him admit this, and pretty much confirms what a lot of fans have been thinking .. the results in the league have been good, but deceptive. Performances have been the poorest I can remember for a while and we need to step it up.
There isn't the same energy about the team. I'm worried about tonight.
We never know. We thought they have potential. Maybe our scout is wrong maybe they didnt. Bottom line is for a club to produce an alli, a giggs, a xavi, many things needs to align. The said players is recruited and properly identified by our scout, taught accordingly, no career ending injury, have a good working ethic, etc.
It's something that isn't always dependable if you're aiming for winning year in year out. Not to mention the opportunity cost of budding them, you need 2-3 years playing said potentials when they're developing and make mistakes, and if you made a wrong pick you'd ended up having to start over again.
It's not that simple or every other club would have done so.
Of course its not simple, its something a lot of teams try but only some get it right. You need to have the right people evaluating the talent and working with them day in day out. Spurs clearly did a good job with those players identifying that they could make it. It wasnt luck.
If its just luck for young players to develop well at a club, teams wouldnt invest money into their development facilities and pay wages for coaches. You could put no money or effort into it and suddenly you get lucky and you have a good player. I don't think you can point to many examples of that.
Of course there is an element of luck to it. No club can expect to produce a talent like Harry Kane. I was responding to the poster who said that if we weren't lucky with how players like Rose, Alli and Kane developed we would be mid-table which is far from true. I feel we are where we are on merit and we have had a lot of success stories in developing players over the last 10 years, it's not just blind luck.
I don't agree. It's about willingness/necessity to invest in your youth. And after that dare to giving them the opportunity to develop and play in the first team.
It's simple. It's about money. The more you have, the lazier you get. "Meh, let's buy one.' Let's take Chong as an example. I'm 100% sure he already would have got a chance (10/20 minutes) in the first team at Ajax or Spurs.
This report was released today. And it's not the first time Ajax tops the list.
Levy and Poch have done an amazing job with signing, promoting and training players while keeping wages low. I just don’t see how that is going to last moving forward. Eventually players will leave or ask for a competitive wage and Spurs will lose their edge.
They are overachieving now and no club
can overachieve for too long.
They are overachieving now and no club
can overachieve for too long.
Time to move on Mauricio.
Come on over Poch. We’ll make you feel extra good.
I knew you would be loving that article lol x
I genuinely can't even begin to understand half of you lot...
Feel he's guaranteed to be Madrid bound in the summer, maybe we'll pick him up when it all goes wrong for him there (sloppy seconds seems to be this clubs philosophy)
Time for Fergie to invite him out for lunch again. I’ll be gutted if he leaves Spurs and his destination isn’t United. At this point it’s a no brainer, we should be doing everything we possibly can to make sure that when he leaves Spurs it’s to United.
Do feel without a massive investment from Spurs he has probably taken them as far as they can go and for himself even it might be time for a change. Would love to see what he would do at United given serious heavy financing compared to what he is used to.
Do feel without a massive investment from Spurs he has probably taken them as far as they can go and for himself even it might be time for a change. Would love to see what he would do at United given serious heavy financing compared to what he is used to.
What you struggiling with?
Gonna be great seeing what Pochettino will do with Lukaku when he has accomplished feck all with Kane. Or maybe watching him get knocked out in the group stages of the CL, Perez and the RM fans will love that.
Yep. Think he's taken them as far as he can. Has brought and improved so many players.
Think he'll achieve big things at a bigger club.
His european record is not good at all.
I've never quite got this logic, I've also seen people slagging him off for not winning things with the squad he has. Surely the point is that he's been a huge part of making Harry Kane as good as he is, he was an academy player getting the odd game when Pochettino, while other young players like Alli and Winks have been massively improved by his management (they also made a huge profit on Walker and would on others like Trippier and Alderweireld whereas we would struggle to get our money back for most of our players). He's had very little money and yet has made Spurs regulars near the top of the league, my main criticism of Mourinho is that he's failed to improve or develop any of the players at his disposal, including those that he has signed.
It looks like things are a bit stale at Spurs but that's hardly a surprise given the lack of investment and the uncertainty around the stadium, I would credit him more for getting the most out of what he's been given and be excited about what he could do with a lot more money and a bigger club rather than using his work as a stick with which to beat him.
The point he they have reached a level of quality where they should be winning, and they are not. The European record and tactics in high pressure situations is poor.
Should be winning what.
What competition are they favorites for that you'll say it's not good enough not to win?
Why do you have to be the favourite to win a trophy? When they came up against Chelsea and United in the latter stages of the FA Cup they were knocked out. They have the quality to compete against these teams.
Honestly, what do you expect a thin squad who spent nothing in the summer to strengthen to win, especially when they have the likes of City and Liverpool in the their League?
I don't understand the point of his defenders.
Everyone know he can make a team finish in top 4, play decent football, win the odd big matches or finish ahead of some big names. We're questioning his ability to guide a team to win a trophy, to that point his defenders replay by telling us again he's playing decent football and finish top 4..etc. We know that mate. We're asking if he's able to take the next step, something there's zero proof so far he can do.
Looks like his defenders want to dismiss the main point that we're talking about to see if he'll be a success at a big club or not to focus on the things we all know he can do. Thing is things he has done at Spurs are good and all but won't be enough at a big club.
Everyone know he can make a team finish in top 4, play decent football, win the odd big matches or finish ahead of some big names. We're questioning his ability to guide a team to win a trophy, to that point his defenders replay by telling us again he's playing decent football and finish top 4..etc. We know that mate. We're asking if he's able to take the next step, something there's zero proof so far he can do.
Looks like his defenders want to dismiss the main point that we're talking about to see if he'll be a success at a big club or not to focus on the things we all know he can do. Thing is things he has done at Spurs are good and all but won't be enough at a big club.
You haven't gotten the logic because you don't even understand it from the looks of things.
Pochettino isn't going to Madrid to make a new Harry Kane or get a few young players to develop. He isn't their to pawn off players for big profits. He's their to spend money to build a top 5 team in the world and win the biggest trophies. There's a different skill set required to manage a club like Spurs and a club like Madrid.
I have wanted Pochettino to go to a bigger club for a while now, but he decided to sign a massive contract for Spurs. I thought it would be interesting to see what he can do with more money but it looks like he's not that bothered.