A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

Hellboy said:
The number in your username must be your age :lol:

you add nothing to the conversation, you're a Phelan
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Because I recognise our great and improving form over the year, like the squad Ole has built, enjoy watching our matches again and don’t want Ole sacked I’m a fan boy, and you have the audacity to bring age into this

I quoted your posts with smiles because they were about Woodward bottling it sacking twice and us having no plan B, questioning subs and having no tactics is just repeated nonsense
 
Hellboy said:
Yes that's how big clubs move.

1st in the CL group stages, just won 4-0 and they still sacked him

Same for Dortmund

Yes that's how big clubs with a long term vision move. Any serious club would have sacked Ole on the back of the Leipzig shambles or the 1-6

Woodward and the board are a bunch of clowns
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perhaps big clubs give managers who are progressing a chance.

Don’t use this as a way to bash the club. Your argument of “this is how big clubs work” is ridiculous.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Ok I’ll have a quick stab. You go an about context of Poch getting Spurs top four with little money ignoring that Man Utd and arsenal who made that top four the previous ten years were going through massive changes and therefore not the usual top four standard, you had teams like Leicester winning the league. He also had a £100m striker waiting for him that offset that spending a bit and clearly helped his run during that time, whether he improved him as a player or not. Something like that :)
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All teams go through periods of transition and have up and down seasons. He still beat them consistently while they outspent him window after window.

Leicester was a complete outlier. It doesn’t mean that we can reimagine what Spurs, Everton and Wolves should be capable of. The expectation grew because of the work that he was doing.

Having a 100 million striker doesn’t offset only having Sissoko and Winks in central midfield and having to get by with the same core and no rejuvenation for so long.

I assume that if Greenwood becomes what he should become, that Ole will not get credit for any growth and we should say that he had a 100 million striker waiting for him too? :o
 
Maluco said:
Exactly. There is no context around his time there. People seem to completely disregard where they were as a club when he arrived and what he did with severely limited resources.

It was a fantastic job.
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Anothet bit of context is that Spurs got their hands on some truly world class talent in that period and generally did very, very well in the market.

Bale, Kane, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc these are players that came through or they got for dirt cheap and they sold on for a massive profit

Another bit of context is that we and Arsenal went to shit after two legendary managers resigned so two of the top 4 spots that was usually taken was now up for grabs

Poch is a good manager, but he needs to show more before i would call him world class
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
perhaps big clubs give managers who are progressing a chance.

Don’t use this as a way to bash the club. Your argument of “this is how big clubs work” is ridiculous.
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Precisely Ole has done jack shit in his career to warrant that

He was the perfect interim manager but the board are not serious if they stick with him

He had 3 games to salvage 1 point to get us in the latter stages of the CL, failed pathetically and more failures are to come with him because he's not good enough !
 
Hellboy said:
Precisely Ole has done jack shit in his career to warrant that

He was the perfect interim manager but the board are not serious if they stick with him

He had 3 games to salvage 1 point to get us in the latter stages of the CL, failed pathetically and more failures are to come with him because he's not good enough !
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Oh dear. Reading some of your posts - You can’t even enjoy it when we win matches and play well. What a sad existence.
 
Maluco said:
All teams go through periods of transition and have up and down seasons. He still beat them consistently while they outspent him window after window.

Leicester was a complete outlier. It doesn’t mean that we can reimagine what Spurs, Everton and Wolves should be capable of. The expectation grew because of the work that he was doing.

Having a 100 million striker doesn’t offset only having Sissoko and Winks in central midfield and having to get by with the same core and no rejuvenation for so long.

I assume that if Greenwood becomes what he should become, that Ole will not get credit for any growth and we should say that he had a 100 million striker waiting for him too? :o
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Leicester were an outlier winning the league but they are still taking or battling for top four spots now. United and arsenal were still struggling for that top four. Poch continued the Tottenham trend of finishing 4-6 as they had done with Redknapp before but were elevated up a few spots because of United a and arsenals decline. I’m not doubting that he did a great job there, he did, but he didn’t take some mid table team to regular top four as is often made out imo, he just continued the trend that started before he arrived.

Re the Greenwood bit, of course Ole should be praised, just as Poch should be praised with Kane but it don’t half help the books when you already have these players there
 
Bobcat said:
Anothet bit of context is that Spurs got their hands on some truly world class talent in that period and generally did very, very well in the market.

Bale, Kane, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc these are players that came through or they got for dirt cheap and they sold on for a massive profit

Another bit of context is that we and Arsenal went to shit after two legendary managers resigned so two of the top 4 spots that was usually taken was now up for grabs

Poch is a good manager, but he needs to show more before i would call him world class
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Thanks, this is the context I was trying to add but you put clearer
 
Hellboy said:
Plus his net spent was around 0

Looking at the squad he inherited and that he left , he deserves a lot of praise for that.
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I'm not really sure where the fiction around this comes from, but it never involves any research.

His 'net' spend was over £100m, which of course is just the headline transfer figure (not a 'real' net spend). Almost 50% Higher than Klopp's, as it happens, for a similar time period.

For different time periods to compare, AVB had around minus £20m net spend at Spurs and OGS has around a £70m net spend so far I believe.
 
Hellboy said:
You're missing the point but go on and enjoy your wonderful existence :lol:

I guess when you have 0 argument you attack on stuff you have no clue about like your manager
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We're third in the league, in great recent form and played really well last night with rotations.

Id hate to see what you're like when we're going badly.
 
Hellboy said:
You're missing the point but go on and enjoy your wonderful existence :lol:

I guess when you have 0 argument you attack on stuff you have no clue about like your manager
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Your points are weak as shit and full of holes
 
I think you can argue against or for Pochettino at United but it amazes me when people try to put down his achievements at Spurs . Pochettino is the kind of punt any top club should be happy to take because his ceiling seems to be pretty high. I have a feeling that we will regret it in years to come but unfortunately the timing was never great for us
 
Sandikan said:
We're third in the league, in great recent form and played really well last night with rotations.

Id hate to see what you're like when we're going badly.
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I understand your point but I look at the bigger picture, I've seen enough from Ole to decide that I'm done with him
 
A fairly unambitious (but logical) move to pad out his CV with a couple of league titles and a domestic cup or two.

He’ll remain relevant and get a proper job later down the line.
 
Hellboy said:
I understand your point but I look at the bigger picture, I've seen enough from Ole to decide that I'm done with him
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This is interesting, given that it’s the bigger picture that clearly and obviously demonstrates the tangible progress that’s been made over the past two years under Ole. Of course, if you can’t see this then there’s always a little game called tiddlywinks you can partake in...
 
Hellboy said:
Yes that's how big clubs move.

1st in the CL group stages, just won 4-0 and they still sacked him

Same for Dortmund

Yes that's how big clubs with a long term vision move. Any serious club would have sacked Ole on the back of the Leipzig shambles or the 1-6

Woodward and the board are a bunch of clowns
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Do you read your post before sending it?

So. according to you clubs should be sacking managers doing well for the benifit of long term future? Manager that comes in, when should one club sack him for long term future? Tommorow? In one month? In summer? Liverpool should sack Klopp now?
 
Why the sudden spurt in this thread? Are PSG considering one of Pochettino and OGS?
 
Agreement has been made with Poch and PSG just final details now , I think Poch can get them a CL
 
cjj said:
I'm not really sure where the fiction around this comes from, but it never involves any research.

His 'net' spend was over £100m, which of course is just the headline transfer figure (not a 'real' net spend). Almost 50% Higher than Klopp's, as it happens, for a similar time period.

For different time periods to compare, AVB had around minus £20m net spend at Spurs and OGS has around a £70m net spend so far I believe.
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That's a little misleading though as the net spend only jumped from 0 to 100m in his last window and he left soon after that so it's not like he ever benefited from it. Plus two of those signings(Lo Celso and Sessegnon) were injured whilst Ndombele was struggling for fitness.
 
shaky said:
Look at the squad Ole inherited compared to the one we have now. Are you going to give him any credit for that without trophies to back it up? Thought not.
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I'm never sure who is most deserving of the credit/blame for our transfer policy (and the strength/weakness in the squad). We've had many more transfer misses than hits since 2009 - not sure whether that's been down to the managers, the scouts, Woodward...?

We have certainly trimmed the squad during Ole's time as manager - with revenue growth largely stalling since 2017, the club have tried to get control of the ever burgeoning wage bill. The squad is still bloated in some areas and paper thin in others. In terms of the first XI, Ole's main changes have been Maguire, Wan Bissaka and Fernandes (plus getting rid of Lukaku). Aside from that, it's largely the same team, same 4-2-3-1 system and same counter-attacking approach that was favoured by Mourinho.

I'd say the main thing that Ole deserves credit for is dispelling the crushing negativity that had descended upon the club in the latter part of Mourinho's tenure. He's just a nicer, happier, and more positive person than Mourinho (especially a Mounrho who had essentially spent his final five months in a massive sulk, begging to be fired). Ole also loves the club and is obviously genuine in his desire to see us do well again. I'm not at all convinced that he has the coaching ability to get us competing regularly for major honours, though.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I think you can argue against or for Pochettino at United but it amazes me when people try to put down his achievements at Spurs . Pochettino is the kind of punt any top club should be happy to take because his ceiling seems to be pretty high. I have a feeling that we will regret it in years to come but unfortunately the timing was never great for us
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Lots of top and medium clubs where without manager since he got sacked by Tottenham. I don't see that they went for him. Not bad manager but people are overating him. He has no trophies behind him that shows he is a winner.
 
Hellboy said:
Precisely Ole has done jack shit in his career to warrant that

He was the perfect interim manager but the board are not serious if they stick with him

He had 3 games to salvage 1 point to get us in the latter stages of the CL, failed pathetically and more failures are to come with him because he's not good enough !
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Players fault when we win
Ole's fault when we lose

Is that how it works?
 
UnitedSofa said:
Players fault when we win
Ole's fault when we lose

Is that how it works?
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Utd issue right now is the squad is good enough (aka has enough quality and depth) for a serious push at both domestic and international level, so anything less than contending should be unacceptable. Third at Christmas should be the starting point for a deep run in 2021 PL (aka the title or second if Liverpool runs away again).
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Footballs most wanted but been out of a job for months, did he turn them all down?
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I think if he retired now, some people would genuinely put him down as one of the greatest managers of his generation. The level of overrating is insane.

He hasn’t done anything of note. He took Spurs up a couple league places for a few years before he imploded, that’s the long and short of his managerial career.
 
Hellboy said:
I understand your point but I look at the bigger picture, I've seen enough from Ole to decide that I'm done with him
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There's certainly been quite a few times where I've doubted him. And I think all of us still have doubts whether we can win titles.
But we've made a superb response to that mad start to the season.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Footballs most wanted but been out of a job for months, did he turn them all down?
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To be honest I was tempted to write (un) wanted but it didn’t seem as catchy! Although in fairness it does seem he’s had talks with a lot of clubs but the timing has not been right.
 
Fecks sake. Would have loved him at Utd. Wish he was available till the end of the season.
Ole is doing a wonderful job right now but we are so streaky its hard to predict where we'll finish.
 
Suv666 said:
Good chance Tuchel will be employed by Arsenal now
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If they get blasted by Chelsea on Saturday this will hot up big time, can see it happening tbh although Tuchel will have a hard time getting that squad playing well, so much deadwood in that Arsenal team with maybe 3-4 quality players in it.
 
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