A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

[JPRouve]

We like to play short passing football rather than relying on crosses or long balls. We rely on pace on the wings, and expect our wingers to cut back. Ole likes our FBs to occupy the positions a typical out and out winger would when we're attacking. We like to keep our defenders high on the pitch so that they can we can quickly get back on the ball and maintain the pressure after the opposition just tries to clear the ball (admittedly, this has risks, but it's clear as to what he's trying here)

But our squad isn't specialized and it doesn't even fit what you are describing. Take the defenders as an example, they are not built to play a high defensive line nor play a short passing game, our fullbacks are subpar as out and out wingers. And none of what you describe actually applies to our best performances against good teams, where we played with a low block, without width due to the use of a back three with traditional fullbacks, we also played a more direct game and avoided short passes and didn't use wingers.

Here is the thing, what you described is what you imagined not what we do. Ole didn't specialize the team, we don't have clear patterns, there is nothing that could be described as typical in the way we play otuside of the defensive line. We do a bit of everything and aren't specialized. The one thing we can't reliably do is play a high defensive line and unfortunately that's the one thing that we do consistently.

 

[RedBanker]

You had a mare in that convo banging on about net spend. It was pointed out to you that Poch actually spent £400m over 5 years and only one year did he not sign anyone. You replied going on about net spend again. That has nothing to do with the money Poch spent or agreed to spend on absolute shit. You make out as if Poch is the messiah and call the other poster @starman a cultist yet throughout the conversation stated he didn’t he even rate Ole that high ffs

Another live one...FFS.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Mourinho threw the players under the bus...

I am talking about what was promised by the board to Ole, I hope Ole isnt silly enough to base his decisions and thoughts on random rumours in the media.

Again our supposed targets? Do we know Ole wanted both Graelish and Sancho? Also how much did United net spent compared to Spurs? Chelsea? City?
Of course Pep, Klopp and Mourinho are not going to down tools when they all where handed their targets. Mourinho wanted Bale, he got him. Klopp wanted Thiago and Jota, he got them, and I dont think I have to mention Pep at all...

Why is United his dream job? Because he loves the club. But given you even question the love for his club its clear you are beyond reasoning with....

Everyone knows that Mourinho throws his players under the bus so it isn't a surprise when it happens but I'm talking more in general of managers outside of United.

I think you're contradicting yourself a little. You talk about what was promised by the board to Ole. How do we know what was promised? Then you talk about all the other top clubs managers getting what they wanted. How do you know they got what they wanted? Could it be that they didn't but moved on to plan B when plan A failed?

Do we know if United wanted both Grealish and Sancho? Of course we don't but all signs pointed to us being in talks over the summer with both of them. Grealish chose to stay where he was and Sancho was never being sold for below his asking price.

I'm not denying that Ole loves United but what I am saying is all the reasons I presented on why Ole doesn't moan and speak out takes precedence over his feelings for his club. Hypothetically If we where in the bottom 3 come Xmas do you think Ole would resign when he knows the job is too big for him? Would he resign to show the world just how bad our owners/Ed really are? No, I don't think he would and personally I wouldn't blame him.

 

[Mainoldo]

Just requoting this:



I think some of you might not understand what we'd be getting with Pochettino and that isn't trophies. 3 away wins in 28 with Tottenham, three. Let that sink in, THREE.

Thats wierd. He’s beat us once. I can count two times he’s beat Arsenal. He’s beat Liverpool. Below is a link where he’s beat Chelsea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43530416

Stat man what’s going on?

 

[JPRouve]

Thats wierd. He’s beat us once. I can count two times he’s beat Arsenal. He’s beat Liverpool. Below is a link where he’s beat Chelsea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43530416

Stat man what’s going on?

I think that he is focusing on the last year because they played a lot more than 28 away games in 5 years.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Didnt praise him answered your question on 400m spent. And no our squad value isnt higher than when Ole started.

Again I didnt call Poch the be all and end all. Simply pointed out that your comment about 400m spent is ridiculous

Such a pleasant person to debate with

 

[Zlatan 7]

Another live one...FFS.

Still avoiding it I see. Carry on mocking people for their opinions while having a mare of your own

 

[anant]

But our squad isn't specialized and it doesn't even fit what you are describing. Take the defenders as an example, they are not built to play a high defensive line nor play a short passing game, our fullbacks are subpar as out and out wingers. And none of what you describe actually applies to our best performances against good teams, where we played with a low block, without width due to the use of a back three with traditional fullbacks, we also played a more direct game and avoided short passes and didn't use wingers.

Here is the thing, what you described is what you imagined not what we do. Ole didn't specialize the team, we don't have clear patterns, there is nothing that could be described as typical in the way we play otuside of the defensive line. We do a bit of everything and aren't specialized. The one thing we can't reliably do is play a high defensive line and unfortunately that's the one thing that we do consistently.

Let's forget the three games and rely on the 61 games we played last season.

Maguire, may have his weaknesses, but he is pretty good on the ball, especially for a defender. Lindelof, same case as Maguire, although I'd agree he isn't as good. Shaw is among our more press resistent defenders - he's had concentration issues, fitness issues - but would be unfair to say he's average. Hell, if we look at the games when we beat big sides, Shaw was instrumental in getting the ball forward. AWB, I agree, he hasn't done as much as one would like. But he did show signs towards the end of the season (but like I said earlier, the sample size is too small).

I refuse to believe that Ole isn't a good tactical coach. If that hypothesis was true, our record against bigger sides wouldn't be as good. Hell, if you look at our record, it's better than what Mou managed with us, what Poch managed at Spurs and might even be better than LVG's record with us (and that was at a time when every PL team was bang average)

 

[fezzerUTD]

Well this is a stretch.

Just a bit

 

[fezzerUTD]

oh dear! - some United fans are NOT happy at hearing that Pochettino will NOT be managing them this season. They WANT WANT WANT, and stamp their feet and get all huffy because DADDY is not giving them what they WANT WANT WANT.

But DADDY can't give them what they WANT WANT WANT because - and contrary to what they've led to believe - DADDY has to deal with other daddies, some of whom couldn't give a stuffed parrot for what DADDY'S little children WANT WANT WANT.

So DADDY'S little children will have to wait until Xmas for their next batch of shiny new toys, even tho' they got tired of the last lot before the end of January had arrived and soon WANTED WANTED WANTED more.

Are you ok?

 

[VP89]

Let's forget the three games and rely on the 61 games we played last season.

Maguire, may have his weaknesses, but he is pretty good on the ball, especially for a defender. Lindelof, same case as Maguire, although I'd agree he isn't as good. Shaw is among our more press resistent defenders - he's had concentration issues, fitness issues - but would be unfair to say he's average. Hell, if we look at the games when we beat big sides, Shaw was instrumental in getting the ball forward. AWB, I agree, he hasn't done as much as one would like. But he did show signs towards the end of the season (but like I said earlier, the sample size is too small).

I refuse to believe that Ole isn't a good tactical coach. If that hypothesis was true, our record against bigger sides wouldn't be as good. Hell, if you look at our record, it's better than what Mou managed with us, what Poch managed at Spurs and might even be better than LVG's record with us (and that was at a time when every PL team was bang average)

Honestly I don't enjoy this claim when it's solely pending on big game performances. This is literally what rival fans all hope, that Ole continues his patchy form, beats a couple of rivals and gets an extended punt as being manager.

You can cherry pick this all you want, but the win against Tottenham last season means feck all when he was bent over 6-1 just now. His form v Liverpool is no better than Mourinho and one of his wins over City was the Carling Cup which means little. Don't get me wrong, he's not terrible tactically. But cherry picking a few big games whilst ignoring the 6-1 thumping doesn't make him a good tactical coach by any means.

As you eluded to, he has players that are better in their attributes than what they've shown on the pitch. However it's not limited to just these 3 league games - we were tailing down massively at the close of last season too. We hit the jackpot when Leicester were missing key players to be honest.

 

[TsuWave]

Would love us to be brave and go for an emerging manager like Nagelsman but not holding my breath.

I’d take Nagelsmann or Marco Rose before Poch, but at this point I just want to be freed of Ole so Poch would be a blessing

 

[Stretender]

But our squad isn't specialized and it doesn't even fit what you are describing. Take the defenders as an example, they are not built to play a high defensive line nor play a short passing game, our fullbacks are subpar as out and out wingers. And none of what you describe actually applies to our best performances against good teams, where we played with a low block, without width due to the use of a back three with traditional fullbacks, we also played a more direct game and avoided short passes and didn't use wingers.

Here is the thing, what you described is what you imagined not what we do. Ole didn't specialize the team, we don't have clear patterns, there is nothing that could be described as typical in the way we play otuside of the defensive line. We do a bit of everything and aren't specialized. The one thing we can't reliably do is play a high defensive line and unfortunately that's the one thing that we do consistently.

Very correct. The way I would describe our play is freestyle football relying on individual moments of brilliance.

That can only take you so far. If those individuals are not performing or are out of form the whole thing collapses into one big mess.

 

[Cassidy]

Such a pleasant person to debate with

Indeed, so pleasant having words put in your mouth by someone trying to move the debate to where it wasn't to suit their agenda.

So for clarity:

Is Poch the saviour? No
Does Poch have a lot to prove to establish himself as a top manager? Yes
Does Poch have a track record of extracting the maximum out of a squad on a limited budget? Yes (As displayed at both Spurs and Southampton)
Does Poch have a track record of coaching players to a higher level on a limited budget? Yes (As displayed at both Spurs and Southampton)
Is it ridiculous to suggest Poch has little to show for 400m of spending over 5 years at Spurs Yes in my opinion
Is it ridiculous to suggest Ole has brought better players and raised player value at United? Yes in my opinion, aside from Bruno Fernandes there isn't a single player Ole has brought in whos value would have been raised. Maguire? AWB? James? And the jury is still out on whether these are better players, we're already talking again of needing fullbacks and CBs after spending 130m on the defence last summer.

I'm not even really an advocate of hiring Poch, but it seems people are going to extreme lengths to paint him out to either:
1. Not be an example of an excellent coach on the come up, based the end at Spurs (an end that wasn't too dissimilar to the end of Klopp at Dortmund)
2. Not a better coach than Ole (which quite frankly is insane)
3. Same level as Moyes, Redknapp and Eddie Howe (again ridiculous he achieved far more than any of them)

 

[VP89]

Why are people talking about what Poch has spent in 5 years talking as though 400m is a lot of money? How does that compare to Chelsea, City, United, Liverpool across the same period? He's no Klopp but he was miles off in spending to the Manchester clubs. What did people expect? A title? feck off

 

[JPRouve]

Let's forget the three games and rely on the 61 games we played last season.

Maguire, may have his weaknesses, but he is pretty good on the ball, especially for a defender. Lindelof, same case as Maguire, although I'd agree he isn't as good. Shaw is among our more press resistent defenders - he's had concentration issues, fitness issues - but would be unfair to say he's average. Hell, if we look at the games when we beat big sides, Shaw was instrumental in getting the ball forward. AWB, I agree, he hasn't done as much as one would like. But he did show signs towards the end of the season (but like I said earlier, the sample size is too small).

I refuse to believe that Ole isn't a good tactical coach. If that hypothesis was true, our record against bigger sides wouldn't be as good. Hell, if you look at our record, it's better than what Mou managed with us, what Poch managed at Spurs and might even be better than LVG's record with us (and that was at a time when every PL team was bang average)

None of that support your claim, I specifically said that none of them are good at short passing game and they aren't which is why the likes of Pogba, Fred and Matic drop deep and are the ones actually starting our transitions. None of them are good in a high defensive line and we get destroyed when opponents play a more direct style and none of the starting fullbacks are close to be playing like out and out wingers, they are both defensive fullbacks. It doesn't matter whether you believe that Ole is a good tactical coach, the conversation was about whether the squad is specialized or not and whether the next manager should follow Ole's style, none of the things you described in your previous post fit with the players that we have.
Also The mention of Shaw and big games highlights it, in the league he played 3 times as a CB last season, against City, Liverpool and Chelsea, you really think that he is a potential out and out winger?

So to go back to my point, Ole hasn't imposed a clear style, we still have a squad made of players that can do a bit of everything but excels at nothing, so there isn't really a strong argument behind the idea the we should hire a manager that has the same style than Ole.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I think this will happen sooner or later. Pochettino’s name has been hanging over us ever since Mourinho was sacked and was supposedly our first choice for the job in the summer before Ole got it on a permanent basis. I think the fact he’s still out of work and hasn’t really been linked to any other jobs may mean he’s been sounded out already and is just biding his time until the board decide they’ve had enough of Solskjaer.

 

[JPRouve]

Why are people talking about what Poch has spent in 5 years talking as though 400m is a lot of money? How does that compare to Chelsea, City, United, Liverpool across the same period? He's no Klopp but he was miles off in spending to the Manchester clubs. What did people expect? A title? feck off

400m is a lot of money and Tottenham wasted most of it. Now ironically, the second part shows why Pochettino is an interesting manager, he essentially improved the players that were already at Spurs, he could have built a juggernaut if they werent dreadful in the transfer market.

 

[Paxi]

Great Thread

No, its a shit thread. Objectively speaking, Ole has done the bare minimum and ran our best striker into a double stress fracture last season. Our season was in free fall until signing of Bruno. Hardly showing tactical acumen. Ole's most impressive work has been getting results against the top 6. If this had been Poch, he'd have been absolutely questioned on all of these things and more. Ole, is in fact, getting the benefit of doubt, because of his united status.

 

[RedSky]

I think that he is focusing on the last year because they played a lot more than 28 away games in 5 years.

I'm focusing on away games, as the post says. "Stats - Top 6 League Away Games"

Thats wierd. He’s beat us once. I can count two times he’s beat Arsenal. He’s beat Liverpool. Below is a link where he’s beat Chelsea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43530416

Stat man what’s going on?

Nothings going on, League Away Games which my post clearly states. I'll even make another table in spoiler below listing all 28. You're welcome.

Spoiler

Date​	Opponent​	Score​	Won​	Drew​	Lost​
Sat 27.09.2014​	Arsenal FC​	1:1​	​	D​	​
Sat 18.10.2014​	Manchester City​	4:1​	​	​	L​
Wed 03.12.2014​	Chelsea FC​	3:0​	​	​	L​
Tue 10.02.2015​	Liverpool FC​	3:2​	​	​	L​
Sun 15.03.2015​	Manchester United​	3:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 08.08.2015​	Manchester United​	1:0​	​	​	L​
Sun 08.11.2015​	Arsenal FC​	1:1​	​	D​	​
Sun 14.02.2016​	Manchester City​	1:2​	W​	​	​
Sat 02.04.2016​	Liverpool FC​	1:1​	​	D​	​
Mon 02.05.2016​	Chelsea FC​	2:2​	​	D​	​
Sun 06.11.2016​	Arsenal FC​	1:1​	​	D​	​
Sat 26.11.2016​	Chelsea FC​	2:1​	​	​	L​
Sun 11.12.2016​	Manchester United​	1:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 21.01.2017​	Manchester City​	2:2​	​	D​	​
Sat 11.02.2017​	Liverpool FC​	2:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 28.10.2017​	Manchester United​	1:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 18.11.2017​	Arsenal FC​	2:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 16.12.2017​	Manchester City​	4:1​	​	​	L​
Sun 04.02.2018​	Liverpool FC​	2:2​	​	D​	​
Sun 01.04.2018​	Chelsea FC​	1:3​	W​	​	​
Mon 27.08.2018​	Manchester United​	0:3​	W​	​	​
Sun 02.12.2018​	Arsenal FC​	4:2​	​	​	L​
Wed 27.02.2019​	Chelsea FC​	2:0​	​	​	L​
Sun 31.03.2019​	Liverpool FC​	2:1​	​	​	L​
Sat 20.04.2019​	Manchester City​	1:0​	​	​	L​
Sat 17.08.2019​	Manchester City​	2:2​	​	D​	​
Sun 01.09.2019​	Arsenal FC​	2:2​	​	D​	​
Sun 27.10.2019​	Liverpool FC​	2:1​	​	​	L​

Edit: If you want to expand into cup games his away form isn't much better:

Spoiler

Date​	Competition​	Opponent​	Result​	Won​	Drew​	Lost​
Sun 01.03.2015​	League Cup​	Chelsea FC​	2:0​	​	​	L​
Tue 25.10.2016​	League Cup​	Liverpool FC​	2:1​	​	​	L​
Sat 22.04.2017​	FA-Cup​	Chelsea FC​	4:2​	​	​	L​
Sat 21.04.2018​	FA-Cup​	Manchester United​	2:1​	​	​	L​
Wed 19.12.2018​	League Cup​	Arsenal FC​	0:2​	W​	​	​
Thu 24.01.2019​	League Cup​	Chelsea FC​	2:1​	​	​	L​
Wed 17.04.2019​	UEFA Champions League​	Manchester City​	4:3​	​	​	L​

That's 35 games with 4 wins, 7 draws and 24 losses with 2 clean sheets. As I said before, his away record is abysmal and this was with one of the strongest 11's for large periods. He's a good manager, but it's stats like this that makes you appreciate why he failed to win anything at Tottenham.

 

[starman]

Your comments are sometimes bizarre, and at a sniping level. I almost want to Ignore you just to escape reading you. I was an Ole fan but now I've lost faith. The coaching has to improve. Are you happy with the current coaching? How many big defeats would you be willing to accept before you change your mind?, Finally: are you Ole's mum?

Oh look another Poch fanboy...

Please put me on ignore, you will be doing me a favour

 

[starman]

There are an abundant of other posts with substance explaining how Poch is clearly a better coach than Ole. To even need an explanation to this is incredible. Well, you’re entitled to your own opinion I guess.

Yet you can't yourself, just regurgitate the same thing in a different way.

 

[Robbie Boy]

400m is a lot of money and Tottenham wasted most of it. Now ironically, the second part shows why Pochettino is an interesting manager, he essentially improved the players that were already at Spurs, he could have built a juggernaut if they werent dreadful in the transfer market.

His transfer record isn't exactly unblemished, but surely it's his ability to coach and improve players that people are wanting him for? We're nearly all unanimously crying out for a really top coach to come in and improve us via their methods, as opposed to needing to spend hundreds of millions every summer, so that they have this magicial formula of 'their team'.

 

[starman]

I have seen some shit posting and shit posters over the last decade on the Caf. But you take the cake. Cultists like you are what is ailing the fanbase at the moment. Hope you can someday get rid of your blind hatred, irrespective of whether Pochettino or any other top coach manages us. But for now keep supporting your idol like the cultist you are. See if that saves his bacon. Find a thread where you can brown-nose him properly. And maybe feck off with him when United do get a new manager. Lunatic. Ignored.

Oh dear, lookslike someones deflecting and having a tantrum. Yup, keep calling me a cultist and embarrassing yourself even more, clown

 

[Zlatan 7]

Indeed, so pleasant having words put in your mouth by someone trying to move the debate to where it wasn't to suit their agenda.

So for clarity:

Is Poch the saviour? No
Does Poch have a lot to prove to establish himself as a top manager? Yes
Does Poch have a track record of extracting the maximum out of a squad on a limited budget? Yes (As displayed at both Spurs and Southampton)
Does Poch have a track record of coaching players to a higher level on a limited budget? Yes (As displayed at both Spurs and Southampton)
Is it ridiculous to suggest Poch has little to show for 400m of spending over 5 years at Spurs Yes in my opinion
Is it ridiculous to suggest Ole has brought better players and raised player value at United? Yes in my opinion, aside from Bruno Fernandes there isn't a single player Ole has brought in whos value would have been raised. Maguire? AWB? James? And the jury is still out on whether these are better players, we're already talking again of needing fullbacks and CBs after spending 130m on the defence last summer.

I'm not even really an advocate of hiring Poch, but it seems people are going to extreme lengths to paint him out to either:
1. Not be an example of an excellent coach on the come up, based the end at Spurs (an end that wasn't too dissimilar to the end of Klopp at Dortmund)
2. Not a better coach than Ole (which quite frankly is insane)
3. Same level as Moyes, Redknapp and Eddie Howe (again ridiculous he achieved far more than any of them)

I’m pointing out that he’s not The obvious upgrade on Ole people make out that he is.

Ok so I’ll give you he’s tactically better (possibly, his refusal to change tactics may suggest otherwise and didn’t Ole do him at spurs playing our wide forwards and a deep centre player? Fans raved about at the time)
He’ll still come in, have a shit record against the top 6, make dreadful signings and get us top four. Whoopy fecking do

 

[Mastadon]

Poch was one of the best managers in the league when he was with Spurs. He turned them into a regular top 4 side that could challenge for the title. People seem to forget that Spurs had made top 4 twice in the last 20+ years before Poch turned up and they hadn’t finished above Arsenal for the same period. Poch brought them to a level above us with a minimal net spend I don’t think many people understand how big that was. To be able to do that in this league with the tight wage structure they had and only being able to buy when you sell (often your best players) meant that you had to be very good with tactics and coaching.

 

[VP89]

Lets all do each other a saver and park the 7 year old broad-stroke insults like "fanboy" and "cultist" eh?

 

[Mainoldo]

I’m pointing out that he’s not The obvious upgrade on Ole people make out that he is.

Ok so I’ll give you he’s tactically better (possibly, his refusal to change tactics may suggest otherwise and didn’t Ole do him at spurs playing our wide forwards and a deep centre player? Fans raved about at the time)
He’ll still come in, have a shit record against the top 6, make dreadful signings and get us top four. Whoopy fecking do

He did him for exactly 40 mins then we got peppered only to be saved by DDG again (when he was still a world class keeper). Also note he lost the tactical battle because Poch changed his tactics at half time dropping Eriksen into the middle abs exploiting our full backs.

 

[Judas]

Poch was one of the best managers in the league when he was with Spurs. He turned them into a regular top 4 side that could challenge for the title. People seem to forget that Spurs had made top 4 twice in the last 20+ years before Poch turned up and they hadn’t finished above Arsenal for the same period. Poch brought them to a level above us with a minimal net spend I don’t think many people understand how big that was. To be able to do that in this league with the tight wage structure they had and only being able to buy when you sell (often your best players) meant that you had to be very good with tactics and coaching.

That's all true and very fair, and yet just talking about Poch to me is boring. There's nothing even remotely exciting about him as a personality or his actual football.

He's an obvious upgrade on what we have though in certain aspects, bonkers to see people trying to argue otherwise.

 

[starman]

Didnt know Ole was an assistant for all these years. Riiiggghhhhttt

Flick was a manager for 9 years previously and achieved nothing bar a promotion.
Going by your logic that once you been managing for a certain amount of time your level would already have been established.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Poch was one of the best managers in the league when he was with Spurs. He turned them into a regular top 4 side that could challenge for the title. People seem to forget that Spurs had made top 4 twice in the last 20+ years before Poch turned up and they hadn’t finished above Arsenal for the same period. Poch brought them to a level above us with a minimal net spend I don’t think many people understand how big that was. To be able to do that in this league with the tight wage structure they had and only being able to buy when you sell (often your best players) meant that you had to be very good with tactics and coaching.

This is what United needs to be first. A top 4 team that challenges for the title. People not wanting Pochettino because he has not won a trophy like as if we already have a squad good enough to challenge. Let's build that squad first.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

Oh dear, lookslike someones deflecting and having a tantrum. Yup, keep calling me a cultist and embarrassing yourself even more, clown

Keep it up and every 2nd poster here will be calling you a cultist. You're already the Jedi master of deflection.

 

[JPRouve]

I'm focusing on away games, as the post says. "Stats - Top 6 League Away Games"

I see, now that makes sense.

But is it actually that bad? Top 6 teams aren't supposed to lose at home and they rarely do, if I'm not mistaken 3 home loses has been the maximum between 2014 and 2019. I would argue that for that particular metric, a loss rate is more pertinent and it would be an interesting way to compare top teams in away games against each others.

Edit: My point isn't linked to Pochettino.

 

[hungrywing]

Who's this guy?

 

[Mastadon]

This is what United needs to be first. A top 4 team that challenges for the title. People not wanting Pochettino because he has not won a trophy like as if we already have a squad good enough to compete. Let's build that squad first

The whole trophy thing is well overrated when you’re managing a side like Spurs. Arsenal went 9 seasons without a trophy while being CL regulars and people were moaning about trophies. We then won 3 FA Cups in 5-6 seasons but Wenger got sacked for not delivering CL. I would imagine that after seeing how difficult it is to finish in the top 4 and play in the CL regularly in the post Fergie years, you lot would rate a manager who did it with a net zero spend for 4-5 years a hell of a lot higher than you do.

An FA Cup or a league Cup would have been the icing on the cake but the regular CL qualification alone speaks for itself.

 

[Zlatan 7]

He did him for exactly 40 mins then we got peppered only to be saved by DDG again (when he was still a world class keeper). Also note he lost the tactical battle because Poch changed his tactics at half time dropping Eriksen into the middle abs exploiting our full backs.

Thanks for the Post and correction. I’ll take your word for it but I’d like to see it again

 

[Cassidy]

I’m pointing out that he’s not The obvious upgrade on Ole people make out that he is.

Ok so I’ll give you he’s tactically better (possibly, his refusal to change tactics may suggest otherwise and didn’t Ole do him at spurs playing our wide forwards and a deep centre player? Fans raved about at the time)
He’ll still come in, have a shit record against the top 6, make dreadful signings and get us top four. Whoopy fecking do

He is an upgrade on Ole for a number of obvious reasons. Does that mean he is the right man no! But is he better than Ole? Their respective track records clearly says yes.

Ole beat him once and so? Bit weird to pick one game and say that. Didn't he do Ole at Old Trafford? Single games mean nothing. Also as others have pointed out Spurs absolutely dominated us second half so its not really true to say Ole won the tactical battle in that game

Refusal to change tactics? Do you think he played the same tactics over at Spurs for 5 years? Maybe you should do your homework first because you are clearly mistaken.

Shit signings? How many shit signings did he make at Spurs? Go on? His success vs others managers in the top6 clubs in spending and signings in the same period? Willing to bet he comes out looking good on that with

Dier, Sissoko, Alli, Son, Aldervereild etc. Thats not even really taking into account that transfers and signings were the main reasons he had issues with the Spurs board.

A few misses like Davinson Sanchez and Vincent Jansen but which teams in the same period don’t have a few of those?

 

[JPRouve]

His transfer record isn't exactly unblemished, but surely it's his ability to coach and improve players that people are wanting him for? We're nearly all unanimously crying out for a really top coach to come in and improve us via their methods, as opposed to needing to spend hundreds of millions every summer, so that they have this magicial formula of 'their team'.

The thing is Pochettino's qualities are obvious but his flaws seem to be as obvious. Tottenham have been a well drilled team when all the starters were fit but to me it seems that he has always struggled to integrate or adapt to new players with different characteristics. I have an LVG vibe about him where I wouldn't trust him with money, I feel that he is a manager that can thrive when he is forced to deal with what he has and new shiny players quickly become an hindrance more than an asset.

I suspect that he is the foundation type of manager and not the one to take you to the top of the food chain, I don't know if that makes sense?

 

[starman]

Keep it up and every 2nd poster here will be calling you a cultist. You're already the Jedi master of deflection.

I know right, there's quite few a sensitive souls in here, you question Poch, "oh must be a Ole cultist"
Why haven't you put me on ignore yet or are you just the master of pointless posts?

 

[VP89]

The thing is Pochettino's qualities are obvious but his flaws seem to be as obvious. Tottenham have been a well drilled team when all the starters were fit but to me it seems that he has always struggled to integrate or adapt to new players with different characteristics. I have an LVG vibe about him where I wouldn't trust him with money, I feel that he is a manager that can thrive when he is forced to deal with what he has and new shiny players quickly become an hindrance more than an asset.

I suspect that he is the foundation type of manager and not the one to take you to the top of the food chain, I don't know if that makes sense?

If we were to indulge in a post Ole shortlist, would Poch be at the top of your list despite the flaws you've perceived here? I can only see Tuchel as a likely "other" who may be out of work during this season.