Because you can always look beyond honors list in wiki, you can watch his work at Spurs and how he worked at Southampton and judge his work based on that, rather than just winning few domestic cups.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Because you can always look beyond honors list in wiki, you can watch his work at Spurs and how he worked at Southampton and judge his work based on that, rather than just winning few domestic cups.
Being a winner is currently so overrated among United fans. We don't need a 'winner'. We need someone to lay strong modern footballing foundations so that we finally have a proper football team in 2-3 years time that just needs that extra push (from him or someone else) to challenge on all fronts. That the ideal scenario. The odd cup here and there should not be the focus.
It's like Spurs. They didn't win anything under Pochettino and that can be held against him. But they've got a new stadium, are able to attract a manager like Jose Mourinho and just spent a decent amount (what was it, 100 million?) this past summer, all while achieving CL football consistently. On the whole that's not what you would expect from Spurs and their standing has increased over the last 3-4 years for sure. They have a strong base.
That's what we need. Of course we are richer and bigger than spurs do the expectations have to be higher as always. However we need to remember to walk before we can run. You can have all the winners - Zlatan, Pogba , Mourinho as you want. Unless you are a cohesive football team, you will get nowhere (other than the odd cup). I don't want cups. I want progress.
As for Pochettino. If we can bag an upcoming manager who is more talented, more tactically advanced etc than him (for example of Rose, The Ajax coach or Rose are that) then we should go with them instead rather than straddling ourselves with a lesser talent. But from the ones I know, of course id take him. His work at Spurs was excellent. Just hope he is expansive enough.
We are hell bent on Ole who is not going to bring us either of the two. Considering the logical perspective, what other option do we have? We should look to replace Ole as early as possible, get a new man in, get a couple of signings in January and then focus on the fact that whether we should prioritise the PL or Europa considering where we're at right now.
Hanging on to this slow death is sucking the life out of the club. You could sense it in the joylessness in the OT crowd yesterday. They can't boo but there's nothing to cheer and the whole place is devoid of energy.
We are so far away from any meaningful trophies that it's stupid to think of it at the moment. Next 2-3 years should be about building the team and system to achieve top 4 and become a top side. We are a mid table side at the moment. If we overachieve and win a trophy in that time then that's bonus.
If we go by that, we will never challenge for any trophies. Not every season we should be starting from scratch, we already have good team with few gaps, hire a good coach and then fill those gaps, we should be good to go.
All it takes is a good coach and 1 very good transfer window.
I think he's a fantastic coach and would be great for United, but I also think he's rubbish in the transfer market. If we do indeed hire Poch, I hope we will also hire a proper DoF to ensure continuity, style, process, structure, etc. Probably will happen when pigs fly.
Why wouldn't we challenge for trophies? Look at Liverpool that's the great recent example of building a side over 2-3 years and now they are in a position to go for titles. Klopp didnt go in looking for titles in year 1 itself. No one expects us to win a trophy this or even the next season.
Liverpool did go for titles from day 1, that's why they finished runners up in couple of cups in first season, finished CL runners up in season 3 and finally winning it in season 4.
No one plans to win 5 years from now, you have to plan from this season which would take us somewhere. Otherwise we will end up with infinite loop of "planning for next 5 years" without achieving anything". Things won't magically click after x number of years. You have to keep trying from season 1 which will lead us to title if we are good enough.
...really? Let’s get Poch so we can finish 2nd or 3rd?
It will be interesting to see him handle a club that spends heavily, there has been a perception that he doesn't like experience pros as they will question him where as youngsters will do as they are told
It worked perfectly for Liverpool with Klopp.....
its took them 3-4 years to get there though
They were playing good football from the start
Its going to take us a similar amount of time, also it took them that long because they refused to splash the cash for the first 2/3 years
No. Let's keep Ole and finish 7th-10th.
That’s not really the argument though is it?
The goal is to get back to winning the league, winning trophies. Whether it’s Ole doing that or someone else. Failure to do so is, well, failure.
United journos who write for Athletic say Ole's job is under no imminent threat. So, I doubt we are one of the clubs who have made him an offer. Logic points to a Bayern post, or even Arsenal.
Well if both of them are failing to win the league or trophies but one is successfully guiding us to CL football while other is guiding to Europa/no European football. Then, one is a bigger failure than the other.
Can't believe I'm having to write this stuff, some of the arguments made in favor of Ole are dumbfounded.
any offer you've made is most likely for the summer, get it done but not announced until the summer
I'm talking on the hypothetical, ridiculous scenario that he doesn't win things here in 5 years, that I will still be content with finishing regularly 2nd and 3rd and reaching CL semis and final from time to time after years of finishing 6th and so. But of course, he will win something here, why won't he? It's a ridiculous argument, even a dinosaur way past his best who was totally a crap here like LvG with a crap squad ended up winning a trophy.
You could be right. We followed the same pattern with Mourinho too, had him on a pre-agreement in December while kept reassuring van Gaal that his job was safe. Only to sack him a day after winning the FA Cup.
However, you can never be certain with us. We don't necessarily make logical moves.
Speaks volumes for Van Gaal that he got sacked straight after winning a trophy.
And why wouldn’t Poch win something? Well, because he hasn’t done that.
Yeah he hasn't done that with Spurs, means feck all when he manages a bigger club with more budget.
Poch took that Spurs team to the UCL final last year (I know that's a "long time ago" for some of you). Meanwhile we've lost to some team from one of the "stans" and we're turning our noses up at Poch? Calgon take me away!
Any chance he takes on the argentina job, considering the unique opportunity of a final Messi WC/International tournament?
Same was said about Klopp until he won that lil European trophy. Point is that there is no force field around the trophies keeping Poch from winning them. Maybe a little luck, more money to spend, and he'll be winning trophies.
I won't deny Poch is a top coach, he is. But this whole narrative that he took this spurs side to the final so he should make us great is a weird statement considering Spurs squad is much much better than ours and much more stable than ours. Whoever comes to manage us will have a huge task and probably their most difficult task in their career.
We will lose out on getting Poch and then when the club do eventually lose patience with Ole be no one out there to get so easily.
I like Poch for what it’s worth. He would probably be my preference as far as other managers go, but he’s far from a sure thing at this level.
Guess you missed Jurgen Klopps last year at Dortmund. They were complete garbage.
And by what you’re saying Poch’ first four seasons at spurs should basically be ignored.
I don’t really get people questioning Poch, all these straw man arguments, about how Spurs were top 4 before he came, about him not winning a trophy, the last 18 months etc etc.
Before Poch came to Spurs the last time they finished in the top three in the league was 25 years ago.
He finished in the top three with Spurs three years in a row playing a very good brand of modern football, developing young talent. It’s fecking obvious that he’s a great coach, under him players like Walker, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Ali, Son, Vertonghen, Dembele, became elite Premier League players. I don’t remember many big clubs bending over backwards to sign any of these players six years ago.
It’s no easy feet finishing in the Top 4 of the Pl four years in a row. Only Man City have done it, spending about twenty times the amount Spurs have in that same period.
I’m just staggered that people think he wouldn’t be a good fit.
I don’t even care about the lack of trophies, what this club so badly needs is not the odd cup win, we need a good footballing coach, someone who with time has proven emphatically that he can mould and develop a team to a high standard.
I’m tired of either clueless or rigid coaches. A lot of United fans just want some good football again. Im sick and tired of seeing a clueless team out there every fecking week because of our horrible horrible coaches. A lot just want to see United look like a functioning team again, a team with an actual plan and style and if there are people denying Poch achieved this comfortably for most of his reign at Spurs than they’re fecking idiots to put it bluntly.
Absolutely stupid to judge him based on the last 18 months(which his team btw still managed to drag themselves to a top 4 finish and Cl final, something that’s a pipe dream for this current United). I mean seriously, people are turning their noses up at that with the absolute monstrosity that is this United team under Ole which is more likely to finish this season in the bottom half. Good grief..
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You shouldn't be surprised, a quick look at their post history would reveal a lot. Majority of them happen to be Ole supporters who are happy to re-write revisionist history to paint their man in better light.
Fact of the matter is, there are no guarantees in football. You could appoint Pep/Klopp tomorrow and there will be no certainties about them being successful here. Same applies for any other manager including Pochettino, of all the available managers at the moment he seems like the best candidate.
Poch should be to you as Puel was to us.
Have him rebuild your team with exciting young hungry players, and when he does eventually leave have the club in a prime position to take on a manager primed for winning trophies.
It seems the logical appointment for you to make.
Also given he needs a break and you only just appointed Ole, Jimmy's idea of a pre agreement makes sense as well.
Have him rebuild your team with exciting young hungry players, and when he does eventually leave have the club in a prime position to take on a manager primed for winning trophies.
It seems the logical appointment for you to make.
Also given he needs a break and you only just appointed Ole, Jimmy's idea of a pre agreement makes sense as well.
dont think so. He can get a lucrative job in England/Europe, dont see him managing the chaotic NT. I also think he loves club football more, the everyday approach rather than international football.
So you don't fancy us taking Brendon Rodgers then?
He's said today he wants to manage in Europe again.
I have some questions about Pochettino because i really didn't pay much attention to his work at Tottenham. So if any one cares to answer them.
1) Can Pochettino work without a DOF
2) Is he capable of leading a rebuild successfully and why do people think so.
3) Is he the type to clear out the deadwood. I mean will he come here and renew Pereira's contract because he's from the academy.
4) Is he in charge of transfers. And if he is what's the success rate.
5) Can he give the hair dryer treatment when needed.
6) Are his ingame tactics good. Can he adapt when we're in a losing situation
7) I also heard he doesn't often make early substitutions. How true is that?
1) Can Pochettino work without a DOF
2) Is he capable of leading a rebuild successfully and why do people think so.
3) Is he the type to clear out the deadwood. I mean will he come here and renew Pereira's contract because he's from the academy.
4) Is he in charge of transfers. And if he is what's the success rate.
5) Can he give the hair dryer treatment when needed.
6) Are his ingame tactics good. Can he adapt when we're in a losing situation
7) I also heard he doesn't often make early substitutions. How true is that?
Where did you get that? No one in their right mind would agree to a severance contract like that.
It was that he’d lose a big chunk of his severance package, which is normal. He can’t be collecting 2 salaries
I suppose England isn’t in Europe then
He also said that while in Argentina, just to clarify what he meant.
He also stated that he doesn’t need much time to recover
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I know, I was replying to someone who asked if there was a chance he’d want the Argentina job.