A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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He is also linked with Arsenal. CL doesn't matter when the club is big enough.
Didn't seem to bother Jose, who has a much better CV than Potchettino
The difference is that Spurs, unlike United, are already in the CL this season. So he's come to a club that's playing CL football.
Being "linked" by the media is one thing. Actually signing up is something else.
How does that relate to what I said whatsoever?
Sorry, I assumed that you were referring to Mourinho coming to Spurs now rather than his going to United previously.
I'm not saying there's no chance of Pochettino being willing to come to United, but it's likely he'll have competing offers from one or two big European clubs with CL football on offer.
You could be right. I hope we try though
I’d imagine United would be perfect for Poch. We’re a big club, he’ll have money to spend and there’ll be no immediate expectation for trophies. He would be daft to not want the job if he had the offer.
Apparently he cannot coach another team before the end of this season - according to his agreement with Spurs
This could actually work in our favour
I hope Bayern take a serious look at Pochettino and end up appointing so Erik Ten Haag remains an option for Barcelona if Ernesto Valverde's tenure ends at the end of the season.
He can but will loose part or all of his payout.
Did you not see the forum or social media? If we're not top 4 by November he will be considered crap.
To be fair I’m sure that would be blamed on Ole somehow anyway
Linked to Arsenal, he would never manage Arsenal, said so himself. Of course he could have jut been talking shit, but doesn't seem the type, unlike Jose.
I was going to say it was a pundit that suggested he wouldn't care. Then I realized it was Paul Merson.Linked to Arsenal, he would never manage Arsenal, said so himself. Of course he could have jut been talking shit, but doesn't seem the type, unlike Jose.
All bets are off when a manager is sacked.Linked to Arsenal, he would never manage Arsenal, said so himself. Of course he could have jut been talking shit, but doesn't seem the type, unlike Jose.
He owes Spurs nothing.
It puzzles me that so many people don't see the problem in hiring a guy who performed so poorly over the last almost 18 months - and by all accounts turned the majority of his players against him. That was why I was opposed to us getting Mourinho.
To me that is a major warning flag. If we had been after Pochettino 18 months ago, I would be all for it. But when a manager can turn a team from one of the best in the League to losing 50% of the matches in his last 36 matches for Spurs - now that is a serious warning sign.
To me that is a major warning flag. If we had been after Pochettino 18 months ago, I would be all for it. But when a manager can turn a team from one of the best in the League to losing 50% of the matches in his last 36 matches for Spurs - now that is a serious warning sign.
And Pogba. For staying without "wanting to play his best" or for going and leaving us short of quality in mid.
Personally I feel that the team stopped performing as they didn’t continue to recruit. Without competition players get lazy and don’t push themselves. It’s known that making a few changes each year refreshes the squad and keeps players on their toes. Without this, you see performances drop and players don’t work as hard.
I also feel that it must be extremely difficult getting players back in the right mood after such a defeat as in the CL final. To be so close to the pinnacle, but to be left with nothing must take it out of a player, manager and the staff.
The summer would have been the right time to leave, but they stuck with each other even though the relationship was looking strained towards the end of last year. You can’t blame the board or Poch for trying to work it out, they had a good few years together.
Poch is still a top coach and he and the players just needed a change of atmosphere around them. Just look at what he achieved and how he and his team turned the fortunes of Spurs around, the squad he left behind is a clear indication of quality. I’d happily take him at United.
I agree with part of this, however the last window Spurs spent £100m, a huge amount of money, this was the season they were meant to kick on. If he can't motivate his players for this season then it highlights a big big issue with his skills.
Also, it's a bit of a myth to say he changed spurs fortunes, they had 4th,5th and 6th place finishes before Poch came in, whilst he improved on them he hardly changed their fortunes.
Not sure we can trust your feelings about what Poch wants or what his future holds anymore tbh
It wasn't a lack of competition that killed Poch. Almost all of their best players just weren't happy playing for him anymore and he wasn't happy playing with them. That's what created the internal impasse that ended Poch's job. When you can't even get a friend and consummate professional like Kane to back you behind the scenes, you're done.
Of course, Poch losing the players - which is where I place the vast majority of the blame, not on the board - still doesn't necessarily mean that he'll make the same mistakes elsewhere. Five years is a hell of a long time to manage any club these days. It was always incredibly difficult to not only retain but boost standards for so many seasons and from now on, I think it's going to be almost impossible. I could envisage Poch being the last manager to ever lead any club from Europe's elite leagues for more than five years tbh.
There's no more revealing statistic regarding the strange death of Poch at Spurs than the numbers for distance covered per player at last week's West Ham match. Many people, myself included, believed that successive ankle injuries had harmed Kane to the extent that his days of sustained dominance over the whole pitch were done. He physically couldn't run that far or fast anymore, we thought. When, in his first game under Jose, he covered more distance than anyone on the pitch, playing with more energy than I've seen for literally years, I was overjoyed to learn that Kane had suffered minimal long-term impact from his injuries.
I was less happy to realise that Poch had been an albatross around the Spurs neck for far longer than even I had suspected. Almost the whole squad has clearly felt it, albeit to differing degrees, and Jose has already got them - many previously half-assing it intentionally, most with no realistic competition for places, and some still planning to leave at the end of the season - playing like the rough diamond of a team they were at the start of 2015.
The only potential problem with Poch having lost the faith of the players is whether he might do the same again in future. Poch is a man manager, a motivator, not a master tactician by any means. It's only taken Jose two games to demonstrate tactical superiority over Poch. Poch relies on morale and trying to improve individual players, especially in terms of confidence. His tactical weaknesses will be continually exposed as the season goes on, I feel. His tactical rigidity is one factor that will be exposed time and again, as it was by Jose against Olympiakos when the latter did something Poch never did throughout his long tenure and made an unforced first-half substitution.
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“I am sure we will cross paths again”... United calling? Surely wouldn’t be Arsenal or Everton (I think they could be an outside chance chance though).
Today is the day. Ed is calling him this evening
there are apparently £12m reasons for him to not take a job before the summerToday is the day. Ed is calling him this evening
What????
his £12m pay off from Spurs contained a clause that he couldn't take a job in the Prem before next summer or he'd lose the money
Surely Bayern Munich will re-consider giving Flick the job until end of the season. Think that would be ideal job for him. He'd then meet Spurs in a weeks time.
Of course he might just want a break. He's been in football employment since 2012 I think so that's a long time.
Can see PSG also coming in for him next summer given he did play for them many years ago.
Of course he might just want a break. He's been in football employment since 2012 I think so that's a long time.
Can see PSG also coming in for him next summer given he did play for them many years ago.
Now this, is something he has superb pedigree for.
How is Poch a proven elite manager? Last time I checked him and Ole have they same trophy count. Does finishing second with Spurs once since he took over and reaching two cup finals without winning any makes you elite nowadays.
I'd be concerned of the way things had ended for him at Spurs, seems like Jose just came in and gave the players pick me up which they needed.
He lost the dressing room after what, 5 years? Honestly hardly a concern for me. Bring him for United and let him stay for 5 years then losing the dressing room and I will be pretty happy with that period.
Even without any trophies?
If he built a team as good as Spurs one and was finishing regularly 2nd and 3rd and reaching advanced stages in CL, I can see myself being very content with that.
Would be even be available right now. I mean, won't he stand to lose his severence package if he were to take up another job in the league before a cooling off period??
Getting to a champions league final, and finishing second on a shoestring is a miracle achievement. In some ways better than Pep winning the league at City or Jose at Chelsea with vast fortunes to spend.
Last year Klopp was supposed to be a crap manager due to low trophy count. But he's the best in the world now apparently. The whole hiring managers based on trophy count is the reason we are in this mess. Van Gaal with a cabinet full of trophies won with empty victories at clubs that could win their domestic league with 2 less players in every game. Same with Jose. Most of his trophies were empty victories, where he had 10 times more spending than everyone else, didn't develop any kids, and spent vast fortunes on 30 year old thst would need to be replaced 2 years later.
Identifying an elite coach is not only based whether they develop youth, play attractive football, raise players to a level higher than other managers get from them, but also how they conduct themselves during a crisis and their longevity at clubs too. Pochettino ticks all the boxes. It was clear after the CL final he wanted to leave, felt he deserved to be released, yet Levy obviously felt otherwise so Pochettino downed tools months ago.
Any clown can turn up at PSG, Bayern or Celtic and win 6 trophies in 2 seasons.
There's very few managers out there who tick all the boxes to succeed at Man Utd, and many of the managers who have a big trophy haul would be the last person you'd ever want near Man Utd - Capello, Mancini, Neil Lennon, Unai Emery, Jose Mourinho, Conte, Diego Simeone, Wenger etc
Why are we so hell bent on Pochettino who hasn't won any trophies. He isn't a winner. Even when we were playing shit with Jose and LVG we still won cups because they are winners. I feel Pochettino can only get us as far as consistently getting top 4. But if we're truly looking at going back to the old days of constantly winning the league and cups then we need a coach that is a winner. That's a very important criteria if we're looking to return back to our old ways.
This time though we have to appoint with sense. LVG and Mourinho were proven winners but they couldn't get us close to the title. And to me that's because there are certain criterias we should also be looking for in a manager not just a manager's achievements. We have to be looking at whether the manager can carry out a rebuild, whether the manager can work with youth, whether the manager plays attractive attacking football. Combine this criterias with being a winner. To me a Manger that ticks all these boxes is the only manager I would say is deserving of time even when our results are poor.
We could appoint Graham Potter because he has Brighton playing good football but he will never win us the title because he doesn't know what it's like to be at the top especially in a big club/league. We can appoint Allegri because of his achievements but we still wouldn't win the title unless we sell 90% of our players who are youth. LVG worked with youth and was planning a rebuild but fans wanted him out because our football was dreadful to watch.
A winner, can work with youth, can carry out a rebuild and play attacking football. That should be the criteria for our next appointment. So far the only people I can think of that match this criteria is our own Ferguson before he came to us and Klopp. I'll say it again, if we're looking at appointing a manager that will make us dominate in the league again the Poch isn't our guy. But if we want to be consistent and comfortable members in the top 4 then by all means we should get him.
This time though we have to appoint with sense. LVG and Mourinho were proven winners but they couldn't get us close to the title. And to me that's because there are certain criterias we should also be looking for in a manager not just a manager's achievements. We have to be looking at whether the manager can carry out a rebuild, whether the manager can work with youth, whether the manager plays attractive attacking football. Combine this criterias with being a winner. To me a Manger that ticks all these boxes is the only manager I would say is deserving of time even when our results are poor.
We could appoint Graham Potter because he has Brighton playing good football but he will never win us the title because he doesn't know what it's like to be at the top especially in a big club/league. We can appoint Allegri because of his achievements but we still wouldn't win the title unless we sell 90% of our players who are youth. LVG worked with youth and was planning a rebuild but fans wanted him out because our football was dreadful to watch.
A winner, can work with youth, can carry out a rebuild and play attacking football. That should be the criteria for our next appointment. So far the only people I can think of that match this criteria is our own Ferguson before he came to us and Klopp. I'll say it again, if we're looking at appointing a manager that will make us dominate in the league again the Poch isn't our guy. But if we want to be consistent and comfortable members in the top 4 then by all means we should get him.