A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

This thread is exactly the same as the ones we had when Klopp left Dortmund and LVG was doing shit but had a few wins just around that time.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jurgen-klopp.403511/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/klopp-confirmed-liverpool-manager.409810/

Here is clearly a talented manager we'd have died to have last summer, but he's had a bad season and everyone wants to stick with the plucky amatuer who was a fan favourite as a player.

yea, hindsight is 20/20 for those without deep footballing knowledge. Poch is obviously in the top three managers in the world. If Liverpool hierarchy taught like United, they would have missed out on currently the best manager in football. We may be in good form, but it is a false dawn like the honeymoon period.

Ole won’t get us into champions league and past manager we have sacked will have had a better season. This moment, it is time for Pochettino to United.

Spurs took to long to sack Poch. Poch didn’t want to be there anymore after levy restricted him financially. From the players he could sign/increase wages to training equipment, Poch didn’t have the resource to further progress his sport science philosophy. Poch made a mistake of staying one more season at Spurs, but regardless the end result was inevitable. Now it is time for Poch to join United and take us back on top Of Europe.
 
If you assume that Levy isn't a fool; then we need to look at why he got rid of Poch for a win-ugly manager like Jose which ought to tell us something.

You don't need to be a fool to make bad managerial appointments, of which Levy has had more than his fair share.
 
yea, hindsight is 20/20 for those without deep footballing knowledge. Poch is obviously in the top three managers in the world. If Liverpool hierarchy taught like United, they would have missed out on currently the best manager in football. We may be in good form, but it is a false dawn like the honeymoon period.

Ole won’t get us into champions league and past manager we have sacked will have had a better season. This moment, it is time for Pochettino to United.

Spurs took to long to sack Poch. Poch didn’t want to be there anymore after levy restricted him financially. From the players he could sign/increase wages to training equipment, Poch didn’t have the resource to further progress his sport science philosophy. Poch made a mistake of staying one more season at Spurs, but regardless the end result was inevitable. Now it is time for Poch to join United and take us back on top Of Europe.

Seriously, between you and I. Are you trolling?

I like Pochettino but what makes you think that he is obviously in the top three of managers?
 
Why would we assume that Levy isn't a fool? Didn't he once appoint Santini as manager? He has been at the helm of Spurs since 2001 and there is nothing to suggest that he is great on the football side of things.
He even hired Harry Redknapp.
 
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Seriously, between you and I. Are you trolling?

I like Pochettino but what makes you think that he is obviously in the top three of managers?

Guardiola and Klopp are far above the rest.

If Pochettino was able to coach his team to break down or systematically create chances on deep sitting teams he would easily be ranked alongside Klopp and Pep. It is the one thing that has stopped Tottenham from winning the EPL at least one time during the last five seasons. And should be the main concern as for why not appointing him as a manager.
 
Seriously, between you and I. Are you trolling?

I like Pochettino but what makes you think that he is obviously in the top three of managers?
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex, with some few other exceptional managers included in this list. The list is very short

 
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex. The list is short



So you are trolling. Next you are going to argue that Van dijk is a better player than Ronaldo.
 
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement.
Mate forget Poch for awhile and lets talk about Zlatko Dalic, the third best coach in the world only last year. Prior to taking Croatia to their first ever WC final, the man had worked wonders at Al Hilal and Al Ain. He's like a Poch, but with lots of trophies.
 
If you assume that Levy isn't a fool; then we need to look at why he got rid of Poch for a win-ugly manager like Jose which ought to tell us something.
Different clubs need different things. Mourinho has always been more suited to not quite the biggest clubs. The biggest clubs have histories of success and attractive football and everything else. Smaller clubs dont have the same pressure of needing to win with attractive football. Just winning would be great.

United since Sir Alex retired has still won trophies, but we've been shit to watch. Mourinho coming and winning a few cups while being shit to watch doesn't really do much. For Spurs on the other hand, they haven't won the league in 59 years, FA Cup in 29 years, UEFA Cup in 36 years, never won the CL, community shield in 28 years, and league cup in 12 years. They won the league cup in 1999 and in 2008. Last trophy before that was FA Cup in 1991. Someone like Mourinho is exactly what they need. They shouldnt care about playing a fancy style of play or winning ugly. They just need to learn how to win. Uniteds really not in that desperation phase of needing a win ugly manager, takes a long time of winning nothing at all to get there.
 
Van Dijk is the best footballer for his role. His impact on Liverpool was undeniable. Ronaldo is a better attacker, Van Dijk is a better defender. His success with Liverpool has deservingly given him the ballon d’or.

Answer the question, is Van Dijk a better footballer than Ronaldo. Yes or no? And Van Dijk has not won the Ballon D'or but he finished above Ronadlo at the fifa player of the year award and behind Messi.
 
This thread is exactly the same as the ones we had when Klopp left Dortmund and LVG was doing shit but had a few wins just around that time.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jurgen-klopp.403511/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/klopp-confirmed-liverpool-manager.409810/

Here is clearly a talented manager we'd have died to have last summer, but he's had a bad season and everyone wants to stick with the plucky amatuer who was a fan favourite as a player.

Honestly no point of this thread after such post. Good job from you bringing this. People don't want to learn from their mistakes.

Just see the posts. Someone asking if Klopp had won multiple league titles and CL to be compared with Pep, Mourinho and LVG. You can remove Klopp name and put Poch and the discussion will look similar. Crazy.
 
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex, with some few other exceptional managers included in this list. The list is very short


Yeah no.
 
Comparison with Klopp at Dortmund is pretty strange one.
Also nobody is mentioning Poch poor record vs top 6 sides.
 
We will do what we always do (since 2013).

Back current manager until it is untenable. Then desperately recruit whoever is available just after it happens with no foresight. No doubt we will miss out on Poch. Then probably sack Ole next Summer anyway. With no succession plan.
 
Do we really have a better option though? Allegri is another option who is also very similar to Poch.

Yes, we have lot of hipster options but they are all equally risky. Point is every managerial appointment is a risky one.
 
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex, with some few other exceptional managers included in this list. The list is very short



How does Poch make that list ahead of Simeone, Allegri, Ten Hag, Sarri or a whole host other more viable candidates?

Be honest, you photoshopped that list didn't you?
 
How does Poch make that list ahead of Simeone, Allegri, Ten Hag, Sarri or a whole host other more viable candidates?

Be honest, you photoshopped that list didn't you?

No, the list doesn't determine who is the best manager in football but which managers made the news, Pochettino is in the list due to the CL final. Last season the top 3 was Deschamps, Zidane and Dalic.
 
No, the list doesn't determine who is the best manager in football but which managers made the news, Pochettino is in the list due to the CL final. Last season the top 3 was Deschamps, Zidane and Dalic.

I guess no one told the guys (or girls!) at FIFA that Spurs lost that final.

Miscommunication is a killer.
 
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex, with some few other exceptional managers included in this list. The list is very short



And that at the time was a really odd vote, considering the awful form Spurs had been in for months at that point.

Apart from the obvious 2, Conte, Simeone and Sarri are all above him. Even Tuchel. And then there's the likes of Allegri, Ancelotti and of course Mourinho. But 2 of them (well 1 now) where not working this season.

Pochettino needs to be careful, he'll be getting overtaken by the likes or Ten Hag, Rodgers, Nagelsmann and Rose soon!
 
And that at the time was a really odd vote, considering the awful form Spurs had been in for months at that point.

Apart from the obvious 2, Conte, Simeone and Sarri are all above him. Even Tuchel. And then there's the likes of Allegri, Ancelotti and of course Mourinho. But 2 of them (well 1 now) where not working this season.

Pochettino needs to be careful, he'll be getting overtaken by the likes or Ten Hag, Rodgers, Nagelsmann and Rose soon!

Why is Sarri better ? Other names are logical, but what did Sarri do in his career so far anyway ? He's 60 years old, has been managing since 1990 and had just got his first big job last year at Chelsea. Prior to Napoli he managed bunch of teams not worth noting for 25 years or so. His career has been underwhelming overall. Poch is younger than him by 13 years old and definitely better than Sarri at the similar age. He's still better than Sarri currently anyway imo.
 
Good manager for sure, very very lucky that his time at Spurs coincided with Man Utd and Arsenal declining, Chelsea being inconsistent and the emergence of a truly world class striker.
 
And that at the time was a really odd vote, considering the awful form Spurs had been in for months at that point.

Apart from the obvious 2, Conte, Simeone and Sarri are all above him. Even Tuchel. And then there's the likes of Allegri, Ancelotti and of course Mourinho. But 2 of them (well 1 now) where not working this season.

Pochettino needs to be careful, he'll be getting overtaken by the likes or Ten Hag, Rodgers, Nagelsmann and Rose soon!

Rodgers is a better manager.
 
Why is Sarri better ? Other names are logical, but what did Sarri do in his career so far anyway ? He's 60 years old, has been managing since 1990 and had just got his first big job last year at Chelsea. Prior to Napoli he managed bunch of teams not worth noting for 25 years or so. His career has been underwhelming overall. Poch is younger than him by 13 years old and definitely better than Sarri at the similar age. He's still better than Sarri currently anyway imo.

He's won something :smirk:

But yeah, you are right, he may not fit, he's the outlier in my post! But hey, at least he's shown he can get a team over the finish line and win.

Wasnt he kinda similar at Napoli to Poch at Spurs? I.E. did really well in the eyes of many, but had nothing to show for it? So age aside, not seeing a massive difference to be honest, so don't be ageist! (I am teasing by the way!).
 
He's won something :smirk:

But yeah, you are right, he may not fit, he's the outlier in my post! But hey, at least he's shown he can get a team over the finish line and win.

Wasnt he kinda similar at Napoli to Poch at Spurs? I.E. did really well in the eyes of many, but had nothing to show for it? So age aside, not seeing a massive difference to be honest, so don't be ageist! (I am teasing by the way!).

He won his first trophy at 60 years old. If Poch don't win anything till his 60 he'll be labelled as a big failure of a manager from everyone I believe.

Age is definitely a big key imo. It's a pretty weird case for Sarri to be managing for 30 years, since 1990, and to get his first decent job at Napoli at 25, then his first big job at Chelsea 3 years later. It's showing why wasn't actually that wanted or demanded manager even though in Italy big teams keep sacking and hiring managers of rivals almost every year.

He of course did pretty well at Napoli and his football there was great, but his career has been underwhelming overall imo. I think Poch on reaching the same age will probably have a better career.
 
This is a car-crash of a post. Well done for missing all context and nuance in your analysis.

You mentioned Pochetino’s top 6 record. Before that even became a thing, it was a Top 4. The fact that Spurs gatecrashed the top 6 and became a permanent fixture in it, is a feather in Poch’s cap not something to beat him over the head with.

Let’s look at transfers and league positions:

TRANSFER RECORD 14/15: Overall balance $-4.92m. LEAGUE POSITION: 5th

TRANSFER RECORD 15/16: Overall balance +$18.90m. LEAGUE POSITION: 3rd

TRANSFER RECORD 16/17: Overall balance $-35.57m. LEAGUE POSITION: 2nd

TRANSFER RECORD 17/18: Overall balance $-20.18m. LEAGUE POSITION: 3rd

TRANSFER RECORD 17/18: Overall balance +$6.10m. LEAGUE POSITION: 4th

So, in 5 years he spent on average $7.134m, call it 5m quid, and basically achieved CL football every season but his first one. He played nice football, went 18 months without signing a player, and still reached the Champions League Final. Would Levy rather Spurs won a cup but miss out on CL football? Not a fecking chance, especially with that albatross of a billion dollar cheeseroom hanging over his neck.

So that's what Poch did with his limited resources - achieved CL football. Winning a trophy would have been a bonus, but with this limited squad, and thin stretched resources he had to go all in for that Top 4 first and foremost. Whilst competing with bigger teams with bigger budgets. That was his remit.




I had to laugh hard at this. I mean I’m surprised you forgot to mention Kevin De Bryune and Mohammed Salah as players Mourinho brought in. You mentioned some random players, but the fact of the matter is that Mourinho has given an average of 2.1 academy graduates their first team league debut since 2003, but the real relevant point is that 15 of those 24 youngsters played only one game under the Portuguese, and the majority of those came in games at the end of the season in which little was at stake. Even more damning, Mourinho has only given one of those regular football: Davide Santon.

"You don't need five matches in a row," Mourinho said. "You need 10 minutes. In 10 minutes you can show me if you are ready or not... You can show you are ready, you are mentally ready, you are physically ready, you are ready to cope with the pressure, you are not the kind of guy who trains and plays against kids his own age but not ready to play at the high level. Ten minutes can say a lot."

LVG on the other hand couldn't be more different. Yes he launched Mueller as you point out, but also Alaba, Badstueber, Xavi, Iniesta, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Carlos Puyol, Marcus Rashford etc. Just lumping LVG and Mourinho together shows how ignorant you're on the matter.

Now on the main topic - should we sack Ole and hire Pochetino if that option is on the table. It depends. I'd say Pochetino is clearly the superior manager, but we've hired superior managers before to be let down. Ole's not setting the place alight, but you could see what he's trying to do. I'll say give him until the end of the season, and then decide.

Great post. Poch is obviously better and the only difference between you and I is that I would cut our losses now with Ole (or if you want to give Poch a rest at least line him up so he can have say over summer recruitment).

You can give managers time where they have a past history and/or are showing signs of improvement and a clear way of playing ala Fergie or Klopp who both took a while to get going.

However Ole has no track record to earn him patience and I think the progress people claim to see is more wishful thinking than anything else. We have been awful ever since Ole was made perm and even with our supposed upturn we don't really create or have a planed style.of play to attack. Its still dependant on individuals and flash moments which isn't sustainable because injuries cause havoc when those individuals are then out (as demonstrated with Martial out).

People talking about Ole doing well with this squad also ignore he chose not to bring in reinforcements or at least spend the money as he did. He allowed us to go into this season this light in midfield and attack and he needs to own that disasterous decision.
 
And that at the time was a really odd vote, considering the awful form Spurs had been in for months at that point

Apart from the obvious 2, Conte, Simeone and Sarri are all above him. Even Tuchel. And then there's the likes of Allegri, Ancelotti and of course Mourinho. But 2 of them (well 1 now) where not working this season.

Pochettino needs to be careful, he'll be getting overtaken by the likes or Ten Hag, Rodgers, Nagelsmann and Rose soon!

Most of those managers had greater resources than Poch and they couldn’t achieve what he did with Spurs last season. Not many people would agree that those managers are above Poch.

Answer the question, is Van Dijk a better footballer than Ronaldo. Yes or no? And Van Dijk has not won the Ballon D'or but he finished above Ronadlo at the fifa player of the year award and behind Messi.

He had a more impactful season than Ronaldo. When you say, “answer the question, is van Dijk a better footballer than Ronaldo.” That is a very vague question because attackers typically get all the headline. Van Dijk deserve fifa player of the year ahead of Ronaldo that season, if that satisfies your question.
How does Poch make that list ahead of Simeone, Allegri, Ten Hag, Sarri or a whole host other more viable candidates?

Be honest, you photoshopped that list didn't you?

Nope didn’t photoshop. Poch overachieved at Spurs and football experts realized that what he did at Spurs, only a few other managers could do. Which speaks volume of what a great manager he is.
 
Is Rodgers not clearly a good manager? He has said and done some very cringeworthy things in the past but even at Swansea he was clearly a good coach.
I'm no one to give a sound opinion on who is a good manager or not. So many reasons why teams do well or poorly. But, couple of things strike me. He was apparently the first manager in 50 years of liverpool to not win anything after 3 years in charge. He has an excellent Leicester City team and as you know, Ranieri won the League with Leicester City not long ago so there doing well in the league shouldn't be too much of a surprise. So he's a good experienced manager, but he's the new cats pajamas on the caf since he's not attainable. That's all I'm saying.
 
Nope didn’t photoshop. Poch overachieved at Spurs and football experts realized that what he did at Spurs, only a few other managers could do. Which speaks volume of what a great manager he is.


Overachieving doesn't make you instantly one of the top 3 managers/coaches in the world though does it.
Klopp overachieved like crazy at Dortmund, both domestically and in Europe, but at the time, he wasn't considered one of the top 3 coaches in the world, and that's fine!

You take that jump when you sustain it for a number of seasons, and prove you can do it both domestically and on an European level for multiple seasons, oh and importantly too - when you turn the results into trophies.

Yes Pochettino is a very good coach, but top 3 right now? No chance.
 
I have a quick argument:

Van Gaal and Mourinho BOTH have a long history of improving existing resources in their club, so this argument is flat. Also, Tottenham is not a broke club, they have a net spend of £67m in 2019 and ALSO tried to do the Dybala deal at £60-70m~. Yes they are not us or Manchester City, but they do have funds to buy talent and players.

But my grief with the Pochettino love is this:

Both LvG and Jose Mourinho have vastly better track records as managers for their respective clubs. Jose Mourinho has won trophies everywhere he went. LvG developed Thomas Müller at Bayern when they had a struggling season opener just to name one example. Jose Mourinho is the one that brought in Mikel Obi, Mario Balotelli, Jesé, Alvaro Morata, Nacho, Fabinho, Diego Llorente, Varane, Traoré, Ruben Loftus-Cheek to name just a handful. To say that any of these managers don't improve young players is just factually incorrect and does a disservice to the discussion if it's not brought up when its pointed out in favor of Pochettino.

I mean, our current manager does have a track record of improving young players as well. Literally. OGS worked with Ben Foster, Rafael, Mame Biram Diouf, Gabriel Obertan and Paul Pogba at the Reserves during his first coaching spell at the club. Most noteably recently he's had his part in helping develop Erling Braut Haaland in Molde.

And super recent history: Mason Greenwood, Brandon Williams, Angel Gomes (injured), Tuanzebe and Daniel James who's all had fantastic impacts the many or few times they've played. Remember Daniel James was a signing no one or very few thought would have an impact, and he's been one of our more noticeable players all season. Brandon Williams has been man of the match BOTH times he's played. Saying that OGS is not developing the youngsters is just such an unfathomable lie I don't even know where to begin. We routinely play the youngest team in any given EPL round, but we don't have focus on youngsters?

We let in fewer goals than last season. In fact we have one of the best defenses in the league this season.

Pochettino more than almost any manager, struggles hard against top6 opposition. This table from the BBC underlines this: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/136A5/production/_109752597_big_six.png - His great track record comes from stability against "lesser" opposition. And to be completely fair, he DOES deserve credit and accolades for that. He is not by any metric a bad manager. But he has completely lost the team. Something is rotten at Tottenham, and he is the leader. Or was. Tottenham has lost 18 games in 2019. That is more than anyone else. Tottenham is literally the team that loses the most in Britain in this year.

So what's the takeaway here? Do you blame the players because they aren't motivated? Or do you do what the caf does to our own team and blame the manager for every single thing that goes wrong? Like, I don't understand the double standard here.

Pochettino inherited a squad that included Hugo Lloris, Kyle Walker, Danny Rose, Jan Vertonghen, Christian Eriksen, Mousa Dembele and Harry Kane. Harry Kane has been a MONSTER over the last few seasons. Pochettinos team would be nowhere near the top6 if Harry had not been there. Harry Kane scored 169 league goals under Pochettino. Second on that list? Son - with 75. Kane is so far and above anyone that if you remove him from the equation, Tottenham is Bornemouth.

So why not Poch? Well. He's not won anything. Ever. Yes he has taken his team to the Champions Leauge. But we just employed managers who have done that routinely. Managers who won trophies and developed young players into superstars in their respective club. Tottenham has a much better squad on paper than MUFC does right now, I'll happily admit that. Especially with their recent transfer window. But fact remains that the 3 players we bought ourselves have all been fantastic. It'd be silly not to consider letting the current mangager work another window, and another.

After Martial returned, our form has quite frankly vastly improved. We're scoring goals again. And enough with this bullsh*t about beating the great "bla bla club". Norwich battered Manchester City, Brighton beat Tottenham 3-0, Chelsea lost to Liverpool, Liverpool were lucky to walk away with a point at Old Trafford (we beat Chelsea 4-0). Fact of the matter remains that we've had a comfortable time with the top6 sides under the current manager. Right now I'm quite happy to continue on the current path for a few select reasons.

1) I absolutely HATE discontinuity - It's the worst thing in the world. Discontinuity breeds insecurity and unrest. For a club like Manchester United, who enjoyed 26 managers for it's 127 year long history. Sir Alex led the club 27 years. Imagine that, we have fans that at the point of his retirement had grown into adults and never known any other manager at the club. That is why there is a statue of the man outside Old Trafford. The sheer example of the kind of tenacity Alex Ferguson put into the club is what we should strive for. It's part of this clubs entire goddamn identity. We do not change managers like other Chelsea fire their's every other Sunday.

We are in the middle of a identity rebuild. The board, the staff, everyone acknowledges that what we have done the past 7 years has not worked. So we are trying something else, to rebuild a new Class of 92. Of course it won't ever be like that, but the principle is there. We make superstars. The process takes time, sorry to say but that's the reality of the situation. Like Ed Woodward said: "We will not be distracted by short term setbacks". What matters is the progress. I am MORE than happy to write off this season if it means the kids are ready to compete next season. More than happy to.

2) Hiring a manager who was JUST fired from a rival team who we have a better record than.. what type of ambition is that? Or better yet, what kind of signal does that send to the world? Tottenham has a win percentage of 37% in all competitions in 2019. I'm sorry, but no top6 team in England is going to hire him until he proves himself again. MUFC have invested heavily into OGS and will continue to do so as long as there is improvement. And improvement there is.

3) OGS has for all his hatred from fans who don't have patience, the 4th best win% of any MUFC manager, behind Sir Alex, Mourinho, and the great Ernest Mangnall, edging out Van Gaal. And obviously a much better record than Poch in 2019. A full year almost.

4) Player management. OGS's player management is from all that we currently know EXCELLENT. Even Lukaku who left the club on bad terms recently in an interview said that "Solskjær had his eternal respect for allowing him to go". Reports from the training ground about players being unhappy about the training stems from a comment from one of the Spaniards who didn't like all the running to prepare them for the season. This was said during preseason, nothing after. Rumblings from Tottenham mention that both Jan Vertonghen and Toby Alderweireld are unhappy with the mangers treatment. Christian Eriksen is relegated to the bench after refusing to sign a new contract. Who knows what actually goes on behind the scenes,but I'm fairly sure that a 27 year old Eriksen is not happy about being benched, contributing to his impressive loss of form. On top of that several media outlets have mentioned player discontent with the managers negativity in the media. (If anyone wonders why OGS is so positive all the time, this is why, as if the obvious needed saying).

5) We are seeing player improvement across the board. Marcus Rashford was relied upon to be our guy this season. His career best scoring is 13 on the season in ALL competitions before this season. He currently sits at 9, less than 1/3 into the season. Mason Greenwood just turned 18 and is due his first EPL goal. He's scored in Europe and shown that he's good enough to play first team games with the club. Brandon Williams is our new Leftback, i've seen enough to be convinced he can be that guy. Angel Gomes is a crazy exciting player, James Garner keeps getting involvements, AWB is a developing player, same with Daniel James who's had an immediate impact in the Premier League. Even Fred has shown glimpses of greatness recently, can he sustain it? Tuanzebe looks to edge out Lindelöf soon. We got so many crazy exciting EPL ready and progressing players.

Fact of the matter is that we are in a process that is in its infancy. The board has no reason to interrupt it, the players have not shown any indication that they want to interrupt it, and quite frankly why do we want to bring in a manager who has never won anything, who was just fired from his club for completely losing the team, in the first place? We might as well hire Jose Mourinho again then, he's a better manager than Pochettino is in every aspect of the game.
Great post, if only there was a "like" button.
 
Comparison with Klopp at Dortmund is pretty strange one.
Also nobody is mentioning Poch poor record vs top 6 sides.

Well, going off a bit on a tangent here but 90% of the CAF was considering Klopp a perennial loser because he 'failed at finals' and 'has won nothing with Liverpool'. Just go back and see the wanking over Pep and Mourinho and the serious underrating of Klopp. Now after that final in Madrid, he's (rightly) considered one of the best (IMO the best currently). However, if that game in Madrid turned out different, Klopp would have been considered by the majority of the CAF a major loser and Poch a great fckn manager. That's giving too much weight to a single game.

Let me ask you this, who did better: Poch at Spurs or Mourinho at United? And why?
 
A question for the "Poch has never won a trophy crowd":
If he had gone balls out in the League Cup and won it would you shut up about it and view him way more favorably?
Yes, because he would have actually proved that he had the mentality to win trophies.
 
Well, going off a bit on a tangent here but 90% of the CAF was considering Klopp a perennial loser because he 'failed at finals' and 'has won nothing with Liverpool'. Just go back and see the wanking over Pep and Mourinho and the serious underrating of Klopp. Now after that final in Madrid, he's (rightly) considered one of the best (IMO the best currently). However, if that game in Madrid turned out different, Klopp would have been considered by the majority of the CAF a major loser and Poch a great fckn manager. That's giving too much weight to a single game.

Let me ask you this, who did better: Poch at Spurs or Mourinho at United? And why?

Always amused me how Klopp's ability to get to finals was used as a stick to beat him with. Seemed it'd been better for his image within some fan bases if he kept getting knocked out in quarter and semi finals! To take that Dortmund team who cost so little to assemble, to the CL final remains one of his greatest ever feats, but because he lost the final, it was used as a negative, same with Liverpool getting to the final in 2018, no one expected it, yet when they lose it - it's a negative. Anyway, just makes me laugh, I was so happy he finally won a CL final last season!

But yes, off on a tangent, back to Poch.