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Something is rotten there.
Alas I think you're wrong. I did think this for a long while but the rough patch (league wise) has now extended for a large part of last season in to a good chunk of this one. In my opinion the team were able to motivate themselves for one big push in Europe, but simply are no longer motivated week in, week out in the way that a team who are desperate to impress their manager should be. Tonight was a good example of that, we're on a bad run and against lower league opposition, lots of players with points to prove but the performance was totally lacking in energy or purpose, a clear sign of a team who aside from a game like Arsenal away or a big European night, no longer have the fight in them.
Pochettino is a manager who demands a lot from his players. He gives them hell in pre-season and expects full throttle football all year round. I don't think this is a recipe for success with a squad which is ageing now and has many players who season after season go through the same rigorous pre-season yet have no trophies to show for it. I honestly believe a lot of players in this team are simply mentally exhausted and Pochettino's constant negativity in the press can hardly help in that respect.
Poch is at his best when he has fresh, young minds to mould to his style, players who will happily embrace his ideas and run through walls for him. The football we saw in the early years reflected that, but now we're seeing the pressing game slowly disintegrate and the creativity and dynamism in our football simply disappear and turn in to a slow, sideways approach which resembles the dark days of AVB. We perfectly resemble a team who still have talented individuals capable of moments like Kane conjured up last week, but one who has lost that 'spark'.
He will do well wherever he goes and if he gets more backing than he did here, will win trophies too. But with Pochettino long-term I think you'll need a decent amount of turnover to keep things fresh, whereas we're still running with basically the same squad we have since after his first season at the club.
So you don’t think he’ll turn it around? I don’t see levy sacking him especially as he’s only signed a 5yr deal not long ago.
So you don’t think he’ll turn it around? I don’t see levy sacking him especially as he’s only signed a 5yr deal not long ago.
More likely that they fought for him, signed contracts for him, and then he started suggesting he'd leave if they won something etc.
Not the way to motivate your squad.
I'm surprised to see how much people ignore the strength of the squad he has, and the fact that 5 years of Harry Kane and some of the other talent he's had available, and he's still not actually won anything.
He struggled with the established players when he first joined, did well with relatively unknowns, and is now struggling to get the best out of established players again. Seems to me that he's not suited to managing higher-profile players, and if so, I can't see a 'bigger' team suiting him.
I just can't see him being sacked due to what he has done for the team and due to his contract.
Could walk, but I also don't see him missing out on the payout. Might see out the season which would be shite for us because we aren't getting top 4 if we keep Pochettino at the helm.
Who would you get as a replacement? Jose?
When he came so Spurs were they CL regulars as well as finalists?Except it's quite a while since that's been true. The fluky UCL final papered over what had been two very meh back to back PL campaigns.
Some spectacular rewriting of history in this thread.
He's done a phenomenal job at Spurs, I'd love it if he ended up here.
Harry Kane has had a bigger impact at Spurs than Poch. Their "rise" har coincided with having a goalscorer capable of 30 goals each season. They haven't had that since Lineker, and he only did it for one season.
He obviously helped, but Kane hit the ground running for Pochettino scoring 31 goals in his first season after returning from four years of loan spells. It was at those clubs he was developed.But who developed him? Pochs coaching has definitely helped him.
But who developed him? Pochs coaching has definitely helped him.
The problem is even if they finish fourth in the league (which is quite conceivable) where do Spurs go next? Where is the evolution going to come from?I wouldn't go over board about the result tonight. These results can always happen in the cup with weakened sides, just as i was saying last week when there was meltdown over the Astana game.
All the Poch/spurs threads getting bumped now - it’s just a rough patch imo
Nah, just natural ending in managers time in one club. 5 years is a lot for manager in one club. Time to move onSomething is rotten there.
Amazing isn't it?The excuses really are being rolled out for Poch now. Look at the players at his disposal and ask yourself: is achieving top 4 and winning nothing really such a wonderful achievement, or is it about par?
Harry Kane has had a bigger impact at Spurs than Poch. Their "rise" har coincided with having a goalscorer capable of 30 goals each season. They haven't had that since Lineker, and he only did it for one season.
He took over a team which was not anywhere near top 4 and all that in era where 5 clubs were above Spurs in every area; squad strength and finances. He did very good job there. Built a team and was in top 4. He should and could have won few cups more and maybe win title in that season when Leicester won PL. But in general he put Spurs back on the map, he is excellent coach and yes, despite how this sounds harsh and as complete lack of faith in our manager but i would take him this second. He is class manager and imo, best solution for our club.The excuses really are being rolled out for Poch now. Look at the players at his disposal and ask yourself: is achieving top 4 and winning nothing really such a wonderful achievement, or is it about par?
So he did this all on his own did he? He readily admits his control over transfers were limited. Look at that squad of players and tell me he's overachieved with them.He took over a team which was not anywhere near top 4 and all that in era where 5 clubs were above Spurs in every area; squad strength and finances. He did very good job there. Built a team and was in top 4. He should and could win few cups more and maybe win title in that season when Leicester won PL. But in general he put Spurs bsck on the map, he is excellent coach and yes, despite how this sounds harsh and as complete lack of faith in our managerbut i would take him this second. He is class manager and imo, best solution for our club.
Of course not. Even best of the best like Fergie or Guardiola or Mourinho didn't do what they did in their careers on their own. We can say that for every manager. But do you agree that Spurs were 6th club in England when he took over? Did you consider them rivals for anything?So he did this all on his own did he? He readily admits his control over transfers were limited. Look at that squad of players and tell me he's overachieved with them.
He'll be off to Madrid, sooner or later.
So he did this all on his own did he? He readily admits his control over transfers were limited. Look at that squad of players and tell me he's overachieved with them.
Dont care much about all getting Poch thing but its funny how people shit on him (guess they think, thats how they fight OGS corner) and on people who want him. If Ole gets sacked tomorrow and they get Poch in, that same bunch will flip and disregard all the shitting they did and giving examples to prove their point in the past.
But they utilized that support to take full advantage of it. Can you say Poch has done that?Of course not. Even best of the best like Fergie or Guardiola or Mourinho didn't do what they did in their careers on their own. We can say that for every manager. But do you agree that Spurs were 6th club in England when he took over? Did you consider them rivals for anything?
I don't get what you want to say. During his reign they had best patch in history of PL( so in last 30 years).
I'll ask you the same question. With the players he has at his disposal, is consolidating top 4 and picking up no silverware some great achievement, or is it about par on what you expect those players go achieve? The quality of the squad has improved significantly, and Poch of course has had some input into that, but ultimately, Spurs proficiency in the transfer market is largely down to Levy.I have always had my doubts about Poch managing United but we have to give him credit for the work he has done at Spurs. Highly remarkable.
I'll ask you the same question. With the players he has at his disposal, is consolidating top 4 and picking up no silverware some great achievement, or is it about par on what you expect those players go achieve? The quality of the squad has improved significantly, and Poch of course has had some input into that, but ultimately, Spurs proficiency in the transfer market is largely down to Levy.
The Argentine Solskjaer.....Was checking twitter, few very poor records for Poch this year, like most losses by any team and the one with only 8 wins in last 26 games. Also IIRC no away win in PL since Jan.
They finished below Chelsea last season, a point ahead of Arsenal and at one stage was perilously close to finishing below us.You have to take into account he's in the same competition as City and Liverpool, who have both been at a level not seen before in the premier league in terms of consistency. There was a chance Spurs could have been in that conversation but Levy kneecapped them by not releasing funds for transfers at crucial junctures.