Both managers did well. OGS in the first half, Poch in the second. This game didn’t prove anything. Let’s wait until the end of the season - both are good young mangers.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Poch has been with his team for years now. Ole has had only a few weeks. Spurs is Poch's team. United is Jose's team.
I agree. Bringing Phelan back into the fold was certainly Fergie's doing and it's been a great success so far. Bringing Ole in too was, no doubt, due to Fergie's influence. The board must have been flummoxed when Jose was sacked and Fergie knew what was needed to get the fans on-side and get the dressing room out of its collective slump. Who better than Ole? It also buys some badly-needed time to find a new manager and get a structure in place because I can't see the board allowing the same old set-up to continue when it clearly wasn't working.
He'd probably lead Man Utd to 1-0's with Lukaku tap in's if he's lucky.
Ole all the way.
Ole all the way.
Appointing Ole was a smart choice, bringing Phelan back was a masterstroke though. I reckon Fergie, probably keen to make up for the endorsement of Moyes and the debacle that followed 5 years ago, had a big hand in both appointments.
Plus you just know Fergie is in constant contact with Ole - I wouldn't be surprised if he was picking the team.
Cheer up Pochettin
Oh, That result means
You'll be, wokring for Levy
Right through twenty-nineteen!
Oh, That result means
You'll be, wokring for Levy
Right through twenty-nineteen!
It would be awkward here when we'll finish ahead of them, they don't even qualify for UCL and still Poch will continue being the Caf's chosen one.
Living up to your tagline there
SAF might be advising Ole, but there is no way he is picking the team
Falls short too often, in Ole we have someone with Fergusons dna,a winning mentality and knows the ethos of the club,If Utd finish above Spurs then its not even a debate.
Ole outmanaged Mauricio today. We've got a long way to before a decide has to be made, but right now it would be hard to argue against Ole being the right choice.
In light of his disrobing today Mauricio would be wise to commit himself to the club. The speculation will die down and whatever speculation persists won't do him any favors.
Razor thin the margins in football, isn't it? A Spurs win today might have sealed it for the Argie to make the step up to Old Trafford.
In light of his disrobing today Mauricio would be wise to commit himself to the club. The speculation will die down and whatever speculation persists won't do him any favors.
Razor thin the margins in football, isn't it? A Spurs win today might have sealed it for the Argie to make the step up to Old Trafford.
I mean that's a bit over the top, Ole did great in the first half, then after Pochettino adjusted Spurs were all over us in the second, De Gea saved our asses quite a bit, that's the reality as much as people don't wanna see it.
I'm an advocate for the best man for the job, be that Solksjaer or Pochettino, i just don't want us to make any more mistakes and set us back even more, people will say i'm being negative because i'm not all 'OLE WRECKED HIM 100% ON THE TRAIN', but i figure myself more of a realist.
That was the first game we won in 7 attempts against spurs away, last time was 4th March 2012. It proves everything.
Honestly couldn't give a feck about convincing him at this point. Either he wants to come to a club like Manchester United or stay at Spurs. Shouldn't really take much convincing on our end.
Ole was tactically spot on.
Our performance in the first half reminded me of how SAF would set us up on those tough away days; press high (Lingard and Rashford were brilliant in that department), stifle their midfield and wait for the chance to counter - which we did to devastating effect. We could have scored 2-3 had we been more clinical around the box.
Second half was a different story, though. I don't know what Poch said to his players in the dressing but they came out possessed. We seemed to panic, our tactics went out the window and it was a backs-to-the-wall affair for 45 long minutes. They dominated possession and created a shitload of chances. The usual suspects Eriksen (best Spurs player by a country mile today), Kane and Alli all stepped up their games - the latter two could and perhaps should have found the net on multiple occasions. Son was average.
Fitness played a part in that second half, too. The Spurs players are clearly fitter than our lot, which needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
I don't like his suit, unless it's in tribute to Johnny Cash, then no man should wear an all black suit.
Ole caught Spurs off guard in the first and we managed to create many overloads against their centre backs.
But Pochettino and Spurs reacted well. If we're being honest they were hammering us after the 60th and probably would have won the game.
But Pochettino and Spurs reacted well. If we're being honest they were hammering us after the 60th and probably would have won the game.
Under what conditions? People need to stop talking as if Dave's performances are some kind of anomaly or cheat code.
We have the best keeper. It takes errors or something special to beat him.
Yeah but why does the last 30 minutes have more importance than the first 60? We could have scored 3/4 ourselves in that time and had them in our pocket.
Spurs were lucky they were still in the game when they came alive
And we had 3 shots in the last 15 mins so it was hardly one way traffic as well.
Or good finishing. Let's be honest here, a shot in the corner doesn't get saved by anybody - not even De Gea. Spurs sliced us up as easily as unrefrigerated butter. While it's not luck to have the best goalkeeper on the planet, if we're judging domination and how the game panned out, we do have to consider Spurs having us pinned on our half nearly scoring with every attack only for poor finishing/great keeping to save us. We can't just pretend Ole would have won this game 9/10 times because he wouldn't. Despite DDG's brilliance any one of those efforts being a genuinely good finish and it would have been a draw.
Of course at the same it has to be said that we created many good chances too. Martial to Rashford. Lingard back post. Pogba second half. Pogba lob. Martial beating Vertongen. And more.
Thought he adapted well after half time, bit silly to play the way he did in the first half though. Bit of a lack of respect for us.
It doesn't have more importance. It's hardly as if we dominated the first 60. It was and even game uptil then. Their chances in the last 30 are obviously inflated by us leading and them chasing, but I'm just acknowledging that it wasn't a game that definitively belonged to one team. The result belonged to us and Ole and that's fecking magnificent. But both teams did well.
We played on the counter the whole match.
We could have scored a few in the first half. We sat back too much in the second half. Every safe was not about poor finishing. De Gea simply had control. He uses his feet an awful lot.
A couple of the saves were top class.
We played to our strength. They played to theirs. We won.
Yes, because we took our chance and they didn't. That's one thing a manager can't really control. The game was very even.
Eh?
Kick what down? There's no need to dish ole and the team in favor of that neighbour manager that isnt even ours
You do know this is a united forum, this poch love in is sickening.
I do like him, and just like many of us probably wanted him to manage us. But until that day come I'm not going to defend or support a tottenham manager.
It may not be his fault he lost but at the end of the day we won and that's what matter.
we bloody don't need Poch.
A United manager should have some kind of edge like ' luck' to win games like last match imo. I am certainly not sure Poch has it in him.
Other than that, Poch would be a good fit. But, that thing is pretty important as well.
He isn't lucky enough, seriously?
You know what I mean. An edge.
To go all the way, he has not shown it enough at least not with Spurs. Does not mean he is not doing a good job there.
Yeah that's fair enough but luck isn't an edge - it's just random variance.
I disagree he hasn't shown enough at Spurs, he's consistently got them batting above their average with a wafer thin squad.
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Pocchetino can't go and place the ball in the back of the net. His attackers were not clinical today, De Gea's presence probably threw them off a bit as well. There were multiple chances where they would and should have scored on any other day.
We were well prepared in the first half and raring to go. In the second half, we started tepidly but totally gave in after that blistering counter where Pogba gave the ball away and within seconds De Gea was saving 1v1 chance against Alli. The ease with which they moved the ball and ran through the defense made us extra cautious. Also, in the last 15 minutes, we looked totally knackered and out of breath which again is strange for the team that had more rest.
Overall, there was nothing in the game. Great to get the bragging rights today but Spurs clearly are the better team at the moment - and there is no shame in that. I am extremely pleased that we have gone to a top 3 team and have given a good account of ourselves. We played on the front foot, and never resorted to negative tactics of giving the ball and then moving like pieces on a chess board. I will take exhilarating football any day.
We were well prepared in the first half and raring to go. In the second half, we started tepidly but totally gave in after that blistering counter where Pogba gave the ball away and within seconds De Gea was saving 1v1 chance against Alli. The ease with which they moved the ball and ran through the defense made us extra cautious. Also, in the last 15 minutes, we looked totally knackered and out of breath which again is strange for the team that had more rest.
Overall, there was nothing in the game. Great to get the bragging rights today but Spurs clearly are the better team at the moment - and there is no shame in that. I am extremely pleased that we have gone to a top 3 team and have given a good account of ourselves. We played on the front foot, and never resorted to negative tactics of giving the ball and then moving like pieces on a chess board. I will take exhilarating football any day.
I used luck for the lack of better word. To go all the way to win important/difficult matches, Cup finals, titles etc. Those games don't even have to be against top teams.
Managers like Jose used to have it. SAF had it. Poch is usually like almost there. He probably would do better in bigger clubs.
But, that would be a concern I have with him. Not that there is a perfect manager out there somewhere anyway.
Can't really fault Poch today. He did a decent job to neuter our front line by playing his centre backs a lot deeper than he usually would. It threw Spurs' attacking game off kilter a bit in the first half but it generally worked, we looked dangerous but the goal was the only time we really got in behind them. It took him until half time to adapt to our game plan but I suspect that was partially due to being forced into the early midfield change.
Once they got more dominant he realised quickly that the slick passing football wasn't creating chances and showed a bit of flexibility by encouraging more long balls and crosses and ultimately bringing on the poor man's Fellaini. Given Spurs' squad it was their best chance of getting a goal and it very nearly worked. It was only a committed defensive performance, some shoddy finishing and De Gea being De Gea which stopped them getting something from the game.
He's a very good manager but I won't be hugely upset if we end up looking elsewhere. He's performed well with what he had at Spurs and Southampton without doing anything extraordinary. His biggest failing will be coming 3rd in the season Leicester won the league. I think a truly special manager would have taken that opportunity.
Once they got more dominant he realised quickly that the slick passing football wasn't creating chances and showed a bit of flexibility by encouraging more long balls and crosses and ultimately bringing on the poor man's Fellaini. Given Spurs' squad it was their best chance of getting a goal and it very nearly worked. It was only a committed defensive performance, some shoddy finishing and De Gea being De Gea which stopped them getting something from the game.
He's a very good manager but I won't be hugely upset if we end up looking elsewhere. He's performed well with what he had at Spurs and Southampton without doing anything extraordinary. His biggest failing will be coming 3rd in the season Leicester won the league. I think a truly special manager would have taken that opportunity.
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I see what you mean yeah.
I keep hearing that he "ticks most of the boxes" but what does this actually mean? What boxes does he tick other than his team play nice football?
I'm not saying he's a rubbish manager, but when you look at it bluntly, he hasn't won anything. He's done well with Spurs by their standards, but if he came to United and performed to the same level it'd be seen as a failure. Finishing 4th while not being a contender for any trophies would work for about a year. Yes he'd get more funding, but what evidence is there that he'd do well in those circumstances?
Also, from a tactical point of view, he's not that good. He got out-done by Solksjaer today and the damming thing is that it's the same way he keeps getting outdone. He just refuses to acknowledge when he's playing against a good team. I don't think in a disrespectful way, but against Liverpool, they just set up as they always do. The fullbacks just bombed on and they got ripped to shreds. They did the same in BOTH games against City last season, again against City this season, at Arsenal...and then again even today. He either doesn't understand that teams are picking apart weaknesses in his system or he does and just doesn't care...but then he changed it at half time yesterday, but only after it cost them the game...it was obvious after 5 minutes that it needed to be changed.
Thing is you watch Spurs, and yeah they're a good side, but they're just the same team, with the same weaknesses. They don't adapt to the opposition. They don't really seem to learn. I also think without more than their fair helping of luck this season they would be in trouble with regard sto top four...in fact they still might end up in trouble when you look a their fixtures.
I think he has good points as well, but what I'm getting at is he gets compared with Solskjaer for example, as if the job is his and it's up to Solskjaer to do something amazing to take it away from him (this is presuming he'd even leave Spurs anyway), but when you compare the "boxes" the two actually tick, most of the ones Ole doesn't tick, you can't actually say Pochettino ticks either. He's just managed in the league for longer, that's pretty much it...and then you have to weight that up against Ole and co having decades of experience at United.
He gets a dangerous amount of praise for a manager who's main achievement is finishing in the top four a few times.
I'm not saying he's a rubbish manager, but when you look at it bluntly, he hasn't won anything. He's done well with Spurs by their standards, but if he came to United and performed to the same level it'd be seen as a failure. Finishing 4th while not being a contender for any trophies would work for about a year. Yes he'd get more funding, but what evidence is there that he'd do well in those circumstances?
Also, from a tactical point of view, he's not that good. He got out-done by Solksjaer today and the damming thing is that it's the same way he keeps getting outdone. He just refuses to acknowledge when he's playing against a good team. I don't think in a disrespectful way, but against Liverpool, they just set up as they always do. The fullbacks just bombed on and they got ripped to shreds. They did the same in BOTH games against City last season, again against City this season, at Arsenal...and then again even today. He either doesn't understand that teams are picking apart weaknesses in his system or he does and just doesn't care...but then he changed it at half time yesterday, but only after it cost them the game...it was obvious after 5 minutes that it needed to be changed.
Thing is you watch Spurs, and yeah they're a good side, but they're just the same team, with the same weaknesses. They don't adapt to the opposition. They don't really seem to learn. I also think without more than their fair helping of luck this season they would be in trouble with regard sto top four...in fact they still might end up in trouble when you look a their fixtures.
I think he has good points as well, but what I'm getting at is he gets compared with Solskjaer for example, as if the job is his and it's up to Solskjaer to do something amazing to take it away from him (this is presuming he'd even leave Spurs anyway), but when you compare the "boxes" the two actually tick, most of the ones Ole doesn't tick, you can't actually say Pochettino ticks either. He's just managed in the league for longer, that's pretty much it...and then you have to weight that up against Ole and co having decades of experience at United.
He gets a dangerous amount of praise for a manager who's main achievement is finishing in the top four a few times.
Spurs is the 3rd or 4th best team in england, player wise. They finished on par with their squad strenght, with a rare occasion of finishing 2nd once.
And yes kudos he find those players, but at united he isn't tasked with building a squad in his first 3 years, he can and should buy what he need and compete from the start.
And as weird as it sounds good managers that works well with budget doesnt automatically becomes better with funds, buying the right expensive player is a skill pochetinno still hasn't proved himself. Just as chequebook manager will find it difficult working with available materials alone.
Tottenham had 1.8 xG, United had 0.9
It's daft to say Ole had better game plan than Poch. It was expected De Gea could save all those shots but no manager tells his team to allow as many shots on goal as they can because "GK will stop them anyway".
It's daft to say Ole had better game plan than Poch. It was expected De Gea could save all those shots but no manager tells his team to allow as many shots on goal as they can because "GK will stop them anyway".