Can't understand this argument. Pochettino left Espanyol languishing in last place. Allegri was sacked at Milan. Luis Enrique did feck all at Roma. Valverde at Bilbao? Do you think the latter two could have landed the Barca job without any former connections with the club? Why was Klopp sacked at Dortmund?
Mate come on, Pochettino came in and built a squad capable of making CL football multiple seasons in a row on a shoestring budget, whilst playing very good football.
Ole has come in mid-season and played good football against Cardiff, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Newcastle and Reading. In what universe is that exactly the same achievement? It's 5 games! Ole has been handed a far better squad than Pochettino was, the idea that their achievements as a manager are remotely comparable is totally ridiculous. Ole got Cardiff relegated and then was poor with them in the championship too, he's come in and had 5 good games in English football under comfortable circumstances.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Pochettino has done great (consistently, at a high level, for four years and without checkbook help), whereas Solskjaer's current United career consists of too small a sample to draw anything conclusive from it.
Don't think there's anything controversial in saying that the burden of proof is on the latter.
Don't think there's anything controversial in saying that the burden of proof is on the latter.
I don't disagree that a manager can have failures and then later be successful, but that's been Ole's only long term job in English football. If he's successful at United it won't matter what happened at Cardiff, but the point is that he's proved nothing yet and shouldn't be compared to Pochettino.
Robbie Keane talking a load of old tosh in reference to Poch on Sky right now
What did he say?
OK. Let's agree he's doing a great job, let's ignore the other factors and just accept the idea he's doing a magnificent work in the PL; how can you justify his lack of trophies? We're debating if he's good for a club like United so trophies is the most important things for this caliber of clubs, so why do people think a manager who has won a grant total of ZERO in his entire football career is deemed good enough for Manchester United? I gave some names of managers who won trophies with small budget but you purposely ignored them because it wouldn't fit your narrative.
Big test of his credentials now. Been outsmarted by United's coaching team so far. I think he's massively overrated but let's see what he's got in the second half.
He set up his team well. Our forwards have great movement and Pogba's world class. Truth be told, if it had been Spurs leading 1-0 at HT, it would have been deserved too.
These big games can go either way, you play this same game 10 times and you will get draw, lose and win in different proportions. It's not something to judge Pochettino on, but of course, you could admit Ole can mix with the best on the back of this game.
I am a big Pochettino fan but he’s had no answer to negating United’s threat on the counter thus far, in particular how Rashford and Lingard are occupying the spaces between centre-backs and full-backs. Spurs’ defence looks uncertain every time we attack them.
Silly post. It’s only 1-0 at half time. Even if Spurs lose 3-0 it doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach, it’s becuase he has a knackered, shallow squad because Levy doesn’t want to spend cash.
the fact he had to bring on Lamela for Sissoko says a lot about what he has to work with
but in this game Ole's outsmarted him so far
but in this game Ole's outsmarted him so far
Let me guess, man utd one up at half time so people rush to redcafe to say this proves he isn't good enough for utd? How predictable.
If our board is this fickle it could be worth you losing this to lose our interest.
Exactly and the other option they were looking at was 17 year Skipp, who I believed would have been a more fitting change.
Pochettino is being starved at Spurs. He has developed(not bought in the sense of how top clubs acquire players) a strong first eleven but after that he is doing his best with mediocrity.
I don’t agree about the outsmart part though
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Nonsense on the Ole outsmarted him. So far it's De Gea having an out of this world performance that kept United in the match (and possibly the win). Spurs could have had 3-5 goals by now if not for the cat-like reflexes of De Gea, TBGKITW.
Seen vampires with great convinction for silverware. Can’t believe Spurs are wasting prime Kane on this fecking fraud. Same old, same old.
What? He adjusted to us in the second half and Spurs dominated us, if not for De Gea and their own bad shooting, Kane included, they would of had at least 4-5 goals
Kane looking injured.
Son going away. Surely they need to get someone in?
Son going away. Surely they need to get someone in?
Pretty good performance by Spurs
Alli-Eriksen in a midfield 2 at the end and his pressing tactics made it work
Alli-Eriksen in a midfield 2 at the end and his pressing tactics made it work
that was posted at half time, and I said "so far"
I adore Kane but he's the one who has just cost Pochettino 3 points. Him and Alli should have put this game away for us in the second half but wasted chances they bury most of the time.
Poch made an error not bringing in Sanchez for this one I think, but he can't be blamed for his players playing a game of 'how close can we hit the ball to De Gea?'.
Strange to criticise him after this match. They were all over us and played with an intensity we couldn’t match for more than 45 min.
If he can implement that kind of football at Utd, we’d look set for the future.
If he can implement that kind of football at Utd, we’d look set for the future.
How many long balls did they play today? Fecking hell.
To be fair they were brilliant in the second half, calling him a fraud is a bit stupid IMO.
Should be a ban on the use of fraud on this site.
Spurs were brilliant in the 2nd half, it was a huge victory for us.
Spurs were brilliant in the 2nd half, it was a huge victory for us.
We did? What exactly do you classify as a long ball?
Both teams were quick getting it forward.
I wouldn't say either were playing long ball football though.
The fanboyism doesn't stop. Instead of saying they had a good game you've gone and predicted a legacy for him at United.
Spurs played very very well
Spurs were at home. No shit they should dominate when a goal behind at home. They conceded as many good chances at the other end though.
Looking forward to another tropheyless season being described as positive. What a waste of time supporting Spurs. You’ve got to traipse to the cathedral of plastic conformity that is Wembley, to see your side be managed by someone who is indifferent to any sort of success - both throughout his playing and managerial career - whilst you wonder how you’re wasting the best centre forward in the world and an XI with this much talent for what? A new stadium that nobody wants?
Spurs can’t have it both ways. They are a good team and have got a side full of great players who are on their way up and linked to bigger clubs. Any manager who is failing to win trophies with them is not delivering.
It’s not one match. It is every fecking season they fire Kane to a Golden Boot but balls it up when it matters. Every fecking season. Enjoy Poch, but he’d already have been sacked at United long ago for his mindset. He’s lucky he fluked into having Kane at the club, because Spurs can’t attract anyone close to him.
Poch has been building this team for 4 years now. He didn't outsmart shit.
You’d be surprised if you browse my post history to see how many posts I’ve made about Pocchettino.
The fanboyism doesn't stop. Instead of saying they had a good game you've gone and predicted a legacy for him at United.
Your eagerness to label me a fanboy says a lot about yourself. If Ole is our manager after this season, fine by me, if Poch is, no problem. I’ve seen nothing from this match to say he wouldn’t be a good fit.
Spurs played extremely well, De Gea had a freak performance.
Blaming Poch for that loss is braindead. Spurs deserved the win based on that second half performance. A combination De Gea being maximum De Gea and their awful, awful bench cost them.
They played well.
People are being harsh.
People are being harsh.
you are talking absolute bollocks man. should be fined for such a nonsensical post
Wait you having a go at Poch for this game? Woot!?
2nd half performance was great and he turned things around in half time. Love to see us play like Spurs did in the 2nd half, and hopefully we won't come across a keeper like De Gea that often!
Not the time to pisstake, Spurs showed great fightback after 60'
Having said that, tactically he exposed his full-backs to counter too easily. Pogba had 3 great chances straight after HT, game would've been buried if we score there so maybe the seige wouldn't have happened from Spurs.
Having said that, tactically he exposed his full-backs to counter too easily. Pogba had 3 great chances straight after HT, game would've been buried if we score there so maybe the seige wouldn't have happened from Spurs.
They were the better team no doubt but in true Spuds fashion they bottled it and didn't turn their dominance in anything countable.