70s Retro Football Fantasy Championship - DRAFT THREAD

Brwned said:
I think most people in this draft would jump at the chance to take any one of Gio's midfielders, I don't think the same could be said about Stankovic good player that he was.
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Quite simply, I would jump at the chance to swap entirely. He has a nice core going there.

Going back to the whole "Zidane obvious first pick thing", as I started listing players it struck me even more that there were bucketloads of world class creative midfielders who would 1. not go that quickly, 2. not be as difficult to build a team around as with Zidane.

Hindsight... making trolls look clever since discussion boards were created
 
antohan said:
Agreed, Gio's midfield is insanely :drool:
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Still he's got a midfield consisting of three players that declined rapidly when aging. They all pretty much stopped being great around 27-28. Davids because of drugs. Veron because of England. Mendieta because of pressure or something. Very odd because all of them at age 25 were topping the billboard charts.
 
Crustanoid said:
He needs a DM - Lampard in a 2-man field ....ugh
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I assume it won't be a two-man midfield! But there are a lot of run-of-the-mill midfielders who will make that work. He is not needing someone particularly special added in there.
 
Crustanoid said:
He needs a DM - Lampard in a 2-man field ....ugh
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I don't need a DM. I've already got Petit. I just need a CM. I'm not about to go 4-4-2. It simply won't work as well with these kind of high quality teams against a 4-5-1. You need to have 2 hard working CM and 2 hard working wingers along with help from full backs to pull it off properly against a solid team with a 4-5-1.
 
antohan said:
I assume it won't be a two-man midfield! But there are a lot of run-of-the-mill midfielders who will make that work. He is not needing someone particularly special added in there.
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Yup. That's why I opted for Petit now and didn't go for a CB. I have a list of about 40 MC's left. All of them WC veterans and CL competitors or champions.
 
Snow said:
I don't need a DM. I've already got Petit. I just need a CM. I'm not about to go 4-4-2. It simply won't work as well with these kind of high quality teams against a 4-5-1. You need to have 2 hard working CM and 2 hard working wingers along with help from full backs to pull it off properly against a solid team with a 4-5-1.
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That's ok, but I don't see Figo at his most effective as a wide man in a five man midfield with just one striker, nor even Giggs tbf
 
Snow said:
Still he's got a midfield consisting of three players that declined rapidly when aging. They all pretty much stopped being great around 27-28. Davids because of drugs. Veron because of England. Mendieta because of pressure or something. Very odd because all of them at age 25 were topping the billboard charts.
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Which is one of my issues with it and the way people will see it is these players were still young when they were declining - Mendieta for instance went to Middlesbrough at 28 whereas Makelele went to Chelsea at 30 and so influential he was it led to the naming of the 'Makelele position' whilst Stankovic is still first choice at Inter will into his thirties and Seedorf is still first choice at Milan well into his thirties - all of whom are/were key players in winning titles for their entire careers.
 
Crustanoid said:
That's ok, but I don't see Figo at his most effective as a wide man in a five man midfield with just one striker, nor even Giggs tbf
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He did okay for Real and Portugal. Giggs is Giggs. Doesn't matter if there are 1 or 2 strikers. He'll create something. Two top class players. 1 or 2 strikers is irrelevant how well they do. Tactics weren't as progressed as they are now. In no way does that mean that they wouldn't work. Simply means they'd get more freedom.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Which is one of my issues with it and the way people will see it is these players were still young when they were declining - Mendieta for instance went to Middlesbrough at 28 whereas Makelele went to Chelsea at 30 and so influential he was it led to the naming of the 'Makelele position' whilst Stankovic is still first choice at Inter will into his thirties and Seedorf is still first choice at Milan well into his thirties - all of whom are/were key players in winning titles for their entire careers.
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Yea. I understand only considering players in their prime in the 60's fantasy but with this game we've all seen the players play a lot. Mendieta declined like you wouldn't believe. I would in no way put him on the same pedestal as Pirlo, Scholes or even Rui Costa. Since we are talking about their prime they're all going to be pretty level so the deciding factor will probably either be personal preference or career consistency.
 
The best Finnish player ever and one of the best attacking mids of the 90's.

One of the most under-rated. Played for Liverscum but lets ignore that and remember what a superb midfeilder he was( those who have seen him)

LITMANEN

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Cold_Boy said:
The best Finnish player ever and one of the best attacking mids of the 90's.

One of the most under-rated. Played for Liverscum but lets ignore that and remember what a superb midfeilder he was( those who have seen him)


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Who? Joking
 
1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT
 
Ralaks picks Baraja.

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1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT
 
Brwned said:
Ralaks picks Baraja.
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Great pick, a potentially very balanced midfield in there.

Snow said:
Yea. I understand only considering players in their prime in the 60's fantasy but with this game we've all seen the players play a lot. Mendieta declined like you wouldn't believe. I would in no way put him on the same pedestal as Pirlo, Scholes or even Rui Costa. Since we are talking about their prime they're all going to be pretty level so the deciding factor will probably either be personal preference or career consistency.
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For me Mendieta from 1998-2001 or so reached a higher peak than Rui Costa and Scholes. It was best midfielder in Europe form. There's a strong case for Pirlo getting into that ballpark - prior to the real emergence of Xavi he would have been most people's favoured playmaker. Obviously the others win out in longevity, but the criteria focuses on the player's prime. And it wasn't just a purple patch over the course of a year as the lack of picks for Kevin Phillips, David Suazo, Luca Toni, Catanha and Salva testify.
 
Snow said:
Still he's got a midfield consisting of three players that declined rapidly when aging. They all pretty much stopped being great around 27-28.
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Irrelevant.

From the first page's draft rules:

* In this competition, players are considered at the level when they were in their prime.
 
Jayvin said:
Irrelevant.

From the first page's draft rules:

* In this competition, players are considered at the level when they were in their prime.
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I know that. I said as much. Then I also made another point. Ignore that as well.
 
Jayvin said:
Irrelevant.

From the first page's draft rules:

* In this competition, players are considered at the level when they were in their prime.
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Yes, but surely longevity goes some way to influencing it? And let me say, regardless of rules, votes are all that matter and it will go some way to influencing people.

Otherwise we'd all just pick out one brilliant match from each player we pick and describe it as their prime. Then we'd get away with picking Seth Johnson and Michael Ricketts on the basis of the heights they once reached.
 
Mendieta was the nuts, not even just for one season but for 3-4. If you watched CL matches or La Liga around the time of the millennium he basically used to run games. I don't know what happened next - he moved from Valencia to Italy in a big money transfer and plummeted, then of course Middlesbrough
 
My next pick is Mehmet Scholl.

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4.*
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT

Go for Cling Bak.

EDIT: kps88 can make his 4th pick whenever he comes online.
 
Cling Bak's turn until 13:04, kps88 has been skipped and can pick any time

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT
 
Jayvin's team is coming along very nicely. Very good, strong players though I can see them being underrated since they're not household names.
 
Surprised Ljungberg has lasted this long to be honest. He was quality at Arsenal for a while.

1 Antohan: 1. ZIDANE 2. LUIS ENRIQUE 3. ZANETTI
2 DanNistelrooy: 1. RONALDO 2. LUCIO 3. CAFU
3 Rood: 1. RIVALDO 2. GUARDIOLA 3. R. CARLOS
4 TheReligion: 1. NESTA 2. PUYOL 3. RUI COSTA
5 Cal? 1. KEANE 2. BECKHAM 3. PIRES
6 Gio 1. DAVIDS 2. MENDIETA 3. VERON
7 Cling Bak 1. HENRY 2. RIQUELME 3. OVERMARS
8 Jayvin 1. VIEIRA 2. AYALA 3. F. DE BOER 4. SCHOLL
9 kps88 1. SCHOLES 2. GATTUSO 3. CAMPBELL 4. LJUNGBERG
10 Ralaks 1. NEDVED, 2. CANNAVARO 3. COCU 4. BARAJA
11 Cold Boy 1. STAM, 2. BALLACK 3. SHEVCHENKO 4. LITMANEN
12 Zen 1. TOTTI, 2. THURAM 3. DECO 4. BUFFON
13 Crustanoid 1. RAÚL, 2. DEL PIERO, 3. VAN NISTELROOY 4. ALBERTINI
14 Brwned 1. PIRLO, 2. R.FERDINAND, 3. ZAMBROTTA 4. SHEARER
15 Team Brian 1. MAKELELE, 2. SEEDORF, 3. DROGBA 4. STANKOVIC
16 Snow 1. GIGGS, 2. FIGO, 3. LAMPARD, 4. PETIT
 
Who is online all day today? I want to PM someone my 1st and 2nd choices?
 
Good timing TheReligion - I was just gonna PM my potentials to Ralaks but instead I pick ...

William Gallas

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