Those votes could make all the difference. Cling is keeping his vote for last so I guess I should assume I'm two down and would need five out of those seven
70s Fantasy Draft Final - Cling Bak v antohan
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Those votes could make all the difference. Cling is keeping his vote for last so I guess I should assume I'm two down and would need five out of those seven
For all his innuendo about the options on his bench, the importance of fresh legs, etc. Cling has seen a 13-3 lead at half time turn into 21-20 with 5 minutes (i.e. 2 hours) to go.
His two DMs are completely knackered, his CBs are physically and mentally exhausted, Riquelme has gone AWOL and his attacking trio are fannying around having spent the last 15 minutes sandwiched between Zanetti-Nesta-Montero-Candela and Davids-Seedorf, waiting for a service that will never come.
Zidane, Scholes and Luis Enrique are running rampant and tearing them apart...
Up in the terraces, a Cling supporter voiced his concern 20 minutes into the second half:
They have now started whistling, they would be singing the desired subs' name if only they knew anyone in that bench who would improve them, but they know they need a tactical switch at the very least...
And the manager is doing nothing about it.
His two DMs are completely knackered, his CBs are physically and mentally exhausted, Riquelme has gone AWOL and his attacking trio are fannying around having spent the last 15 minutes sandwiched between Zanetti-Nesta-Montero-Candela and Davids-Seedorf, waiting for a service that will never come.
Zidane, Scholes and Luis Enrique are running rampant and tearing them apart...
Up in the terraces, a Cling supporter voiced his concern 20 minutes into the second half:
They have now started whistling, they would be singing the desired subs' name if only they knew anyone in that bench who would improve them, but they know they need a tactical switch at the very least...
And the manager is doing nothing about it.
I come in to vote and its locked at 21 each .
Well, just to put in a short explaination, i think Antohan has the much better defense and also has the better midfield 3. Clingback has the better striker in Ronaldo but he'l be up against defenders much better than the ones Vieri has to deal with. Kind of balances it up to a certain extent. Also, Antohan has a brilliant supply line with the likes of Zidane Enrique and Scholesy.
Close game but i think antohan would nick it.
.Well, just to put in a short explaination, i think Antohan has the much better defense and also has the better midfield 3. Clingback has the better striker in Ronaldo but he'l be up against defenders much better than the ones Vieri has to deal with. Kind of balances it up to a certain extent. Also, Antohan has a brilliant supply line with the likes of Zidane Enrique and Scholesy.
Close game but i think antohan would nick it.
I come in to vote and its locked at 21 each
Well, just to put in a short explaination, i think Antohan has the much better defense and also has the better midfield 3. Clingback has the better striker in Ronaldo but he'l be up against defenders much better than the ones Vieri has to deal with. Kind of balances it up to a certain extent. Also, Antohan has a brilliant supply line with the likes of Zidane Enrique and Scholesy.
Close game but i think antohan would nick it.
Don't worry mate, Cling hasn't voted yet so "technically" he is still on a draw.
Good choice though
Attack, attack, attack attack attack!
A switch of formation. antohan has nothing to worry me down the flanks and I have opted for an attacking 3-5-2 for the remaining few minutes.
McManaman, Ze Roberto and Edmilson on
Riquelme, Capdevila and Kelly off
A switch of formation. antohan has nothing to worry me down the flanks and I have opted for an attacking 3-5-2 for the remaining few minutes.
McManaman, Ze Roberto and Edmilson on
Riquelme, Capdevila and Kelly off
So deep in injury time you make three substitutions completely changing your frontline, midfield and backline? This against a back four and pair of DMs who keep the same structure and discipline they have played with for the last twenty minutes?
It's not just that I can soak it up, before you even settle I've scored on the counter.
It's not just that I can soak it up, before you even settle I've scored on the counter.
Cling just vote for yourself already. It would be a shitty situation if its tied and you haven't voted.
antohan go close with a chance from Vieri, but Van der Sar makes a terrific stop and he's not done there, Cling Bak want to counter-attack...
Carvalho collects the loose ball and brings it out...
He find Vieira who picks out Ronaldo perfectly...
He races past Davids, past Seedrof, past Zanetti and finds Henry...
Henry controls legitimately, turns inside of Montero with ease and shoooooooooooots!
And scores!!!!! Surely thats the winning goal now!! The crowd go absolutely ballistic.
Gary Kelly is on his feet on the Cling Bak bench.
Carvalho collects the loose ball and brings it out...
He find Vieira who picks out Ronaldo perfectly...
He races past Davids, past Seedrof, past Zanetti and finds Henry...
Henry controls legitimately, turns inside of Montero with ease and shoooooooooooots!
And scores!!!!! Surely thats the winning goal now!! The crowd go absolutely ballistic.
Gary Kelly is on his feet on the Cling Bak bench.
Disappointed about so many managers and assistants not voting. So much rowing to perish by the shore...
I would rather Ronaldo had gone on to score himself, not that cheating bugger.
Kudos Cling, I still think you would win this 1/10 times but this was yours and anyone winning with such a diabolical backline deserves all the plaudits.
Back to my meeting now...
I would rather Ronaldo had gone on to score himself, not that cheating bugger.
Kudos Cling, I still think you would win this 1/10 times but this was yours and anyone winning with such a diabolical backline deserves all the plaudits.
Back to my meeting now...
Have a bite into this and go and have a word with Montero and Forlan. Not to mention the bench you never trusted.
Congrats Cling. Commiserations to Antohan, it was a good effort.
antohan go close with a chance from Vieri, but Van der Sar makes a terrific stop and he's not done there, Cling Bak want to counter-attack...
Carvalho collects the loose ball and brings it out...
He find Vieira who picks out Ronaldo perfectly...
He races past Davids, past Seedrof, past Zanetti and finds Henry...
Henry controls legitimately, turns inside of Montero with ease and shoooooooooooots!
And scores!!!!! Surely thats the winning goal now!! The crowd go absolutely ballistic.
Gary Kelly is on his feet on the Cling Bak bench.
Good game lads, a worthy final - antohan made a great effort at a comeback but at the end of the day his failure in the transfer market meant he couldnt match the goal potential of a Ronaldo-Henry combo
Was going to vote Cling until that formation change, called it a draw on the basis of the entirety of the game and some of the strange, strange setups.
antohan go close with a chance from Vieri, but Van der Sar makes a terrific stop and he's not done there, Cling Bak want to counter-attack...
Carvalho collects the loose ball and brings it out...
He find Vieira who picks out Ronaldo perfectly...
He races past Davids, past Seedrof, past Zanetti and finds Henry...
Henry controls legitimately, turns inside of Montero with ease and shoooooooooooots!
And scores!!!!! Surely thats the winning goal now!! The crowd go absolutely ballistic.
Gary Kelly is on his feet on the Cling Bak bench.
Antohan wanted it so bad. You should have just let him win.
That won me the game. Was a vote behind before it.
Can't argue with the result. Once Cling had harvested the ripe midfield pickings from the group stages to provide his gifted attack with some backbone, only a Zidane-Rivaldo combination might have stopped him.
Damn!!!!!
What happened here?
Was off cafe for a couple of days.Thought cling was leading considerably.
What happened here?
Was off cafe for a couple of days.Thought cling was leading considerably.
Antohan wanted it so bad. You should have just let him win.
I considered it.
I needed to decide which was more entertaining.
I hope I haven't disappointed.
It was really weird, it looked prime for a draw. I thought that would paralyse anyone wondering WTF??? (Brwned-style) and at best give the vote to me. Then before logging off to go into a meeting I saw that vote come in and thought: "Feck"
I never got your sympathy vote when down and out
Not that it would have made a difference. In the event of a draw the obvious route was for absent managers and assistants providing the casting vote. It would take forever to arrange, etc. and by the looks of it it would have just extended the agony.
It is a bit weird that both your DMs featured in the final but seemed to count for toffee in the group stage. Insanely good group that was, Jayvin could have probably fielded his group stage team against Cling's in the final and have a good run, let alone with additions... Without cards, injuries and tiredness being a factor, it is probably best to start in such a "group of death".
That's a bit of an overstatement.
Have a bite into this and go and have a word with Montero and Forlan. Not to mention the bench you never trusted.
Very proud of my boys, I gave them a mountain to climb and they still had a real go all the way to the end.
Brown and Ramelow featured throughout the group stage and somehow saved my bacon against TR. Simeone started against Brwned even after I had picked two midfielders after the group stage. Seedorf played his part.
The only guy who got little game time was Almeyda (the 192nd pick!). I actually wanted a right winger then. Gallardo was my other choice but his peak really wasn't on the wings and he was more of a No. 10 ala Ortega. Not sure anyone would have rated him (?).
Quite frankly, there was bugger all to pick at that stage, I almost went for Marcelinho Carioca! Good player, no one would have bought it though.
Which one? The group of death one? It is harder to get out of but if you do...
Look at the players picked from each group and there is a significant difference in quality but, in all fairness, I think it is a deserved reward.
I saw they took turns to pick from a pool of spoils in the United Legends one, didn't quite like that idea. Balances things out yes, but it would be a bitch if you work you butt off to come out of a tough group only to find someone who strolled through theirs gets to pick the one player who gave you all sorts of trouble and you badly wanted.
It's an overstatement to say that a team would almost beat the winner with the same team he had in the groups. How on earth would he pull that off.
I've never been the fan of the idea of picking players from the losers. It's too much of random luck instead of you picking your own team to begin with.
I've never been the fan of the idea of picking players from the losers. It's too much of random luck instead of you picking your own team to begin with.
Marketing/vote-winning considerations aside (i.e. tactically) I still feel Davids was the right man. You don't try to defend against Ronaldo-Henry-Overmars, that is a bit silly, you just go and choke their supply.
Sure, Rivaldo would be delightful, but "against" (i.e. back to marketing and perceptions) Vieira and Mendieta I had to have a big name DM if I was ever going to argue the case for supply being choked.
A bit like Jayvin mentioned last night... not everyone would see that with Zidane and Rivaldo there Vieira and Mendieta would add little to transition into attack and everything would be Riquelme-dependent. Simeone sure could keep Riquelme in his pocket, but I'm not sure that central midfield would be an easy sell.
I guess we will never know...
I don't have a full recollection of his team but Kily and Giuly would have a lot of joy with his fullbacks. Klose in WC form is deadly. Vieira-Jeremies-Scholl was a strong midfield albeit lacking a bit of spark. Can't for the life of me remember his backline but it was solid.
In fact, it was the only team that beat Cling in the entire competition. Very solid, very balanced, it had all the necessary weapons to hurt him... He just looked a bit boring, that was all.
It is a bit rubbish if you get stuck with a big gaping hole somewhere on the team and can do nothing about it. It also gives you something to look forward to.
Your approach would definitely work if, for example, this had been played with 8 teams, there would have probably been plenty of quality to have 8 very good teams without need for reinforcements.
Well, Cling beat me. I had Giggs and Figo vs. the same full backs. I think they are better than Kily and Giuly. Vieira-Jeremies-Scholl also isn't better than Lampard-Petit-Deco.
If you're stuck with a gaping hole you only got yourself to blame. There's plenty of quality to go around.
Gallardo would have been a reasonable choice. As would Ronald De Boer or Pedro Munitis who tore a peak Thuram to shreds in 2000. Or a wildcard shout Marcelo Delgado would have offered wide striker options in early 2000s form.
Gallardo or Delgado wouldn't have brought you votes. I'm surprised no one went for Ronald. He was talented and experienced enough. But then again I was also surprised how many teams abandoned wing play.
Whats the next game
One of the options suggested was a World Cup All-Stars game, which is a great idea, but would need the criteria firmly laid out so Scillachi and Klose curried more favour with voters than Torres and Gullit.
Sure, but you didn't have a superior defence you could make count. Jayvin had Toldo, Ayala and De Boer with Torriccelli and Pessotto as fullbacks which is probably better as a unit than what Cling has now.
Not on an individual basis but jointly it is more balanced.
I'm not saying he would have won, but would have given him a good game, which you also did.
Ronald is a good shout. I didn't even have him on my list. I blame laziness as I picked on someone's tip (not sure who it was) and loaded an old CM and filtered for ages to make a list of players.
Since the game starts in June/July you miss out on the first six months of 1970... That's why at one point I picked two players in a row who had been born in the first six months of 1980
I wouldn't be surprised if Ronald's omission was the result of too many having followed the same route! Should have clued up when Frank was picked though
It will never really work but the arguments would be fun.
That's all part of it!
To be fair, on the United one it was all about what the players had done for United, so participants didn't really pick players who'd done better elsewhere and it was constantly pointed out by people what they'd done specific to United. So World Cup could work.
I recommend a World Cup/Euro one then.
Messi and Ronaldo wouldn't be considered that good then?
Messi and Ronaldo wouldn't be considered that good then?
Nah, WC only, keep it focused. People don't watch the Euros as much as the WC either.
Messi would probably even out fairly between the ones who don't get it and the ones who rate him as a WC flop.
Muller (Thomas, let alone Gerd) would be better than Ronaldo.
What people don't watch the Euros as much? S-Americans? Fairly sure Europeans watch it. The only football on TV as well.
I'd like a World Cup one. When from though? 1954 onwards?