70s Fantasy Draft Final - Cling Bak v antohan

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics, balance & bench strength?


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Anto specifically said that his back 4 were all conservative and he hasn't changed that either.

Not exactly, I said the fullbacks would take turns as I wasn't going to risk leaving a 3 vs 2 situation at the back and I stick to that. The only part of Cling's team that demands 100% respect is the pace of those three, I will not leave them unaccounted for.

No point for Forlán in this formation do drop deeper. Zidane and Scholes and Davids are there.

What I'm trying to indicate there is he has a forward role which may come deep, wide or into the box as and when, as opposed to Vieri who pretty much stays there keeping the CBs busy.
 
I got stick for picking Heinze on the left over Neville from several people than vice versa when I changed it up.

I know, it's bloody hard to please some people!

Then of course there's the everlasting argument of how good a player is which is the biggest issue here. People rate players differently. Just look at the top ten thread. There was one dude who put RvP at nr. 2 ahead of Ronaldo.

:lol:

I'm having that issue myself. All of a sudden Zidane doesn't seem to be a vastly superior player to Riquelme :wenger:
 
Am I right in saying that we're missing half the votes from participating managers?

You are, that's what keeps my fingers-crossed for a Rood-style comeback that may make it interesting... I will take up Cling's offer of a vote if I need it then :lol:
 
I know, it's bloody hard to please some people!



:lol:

I'm having that issue myself. All of a sudden Zidane doesn't seem to be a vastly superior player to Riquelme :wenger:

Zidane not superior to Riquelme? I thought Riquelme was a bit of a problem in Clings side until he fixed it by getting Vieira and Mendieta. Zidane poses no problem. What ever criticism you throw at in shouldn't matter at all. His good outweighs his bad by so much.

This game sort of reminds me of CL final between Real and Bayern but Cling's got a better team that Bayern. I sort of thought that Zidane would be the reason for you winning this match and I'd might have gone for you had you had a left winger because Zanetti could then have pulled a R. Carlos and therefor you'd only need the one winger to provide width on both flanks much like Madrid use to do and Barcelona, in a way, do now with Dani Alves.
 
Zidane not superior to Riquelme?

I meant the way people are voting and taking the midfield's as even it looks like Zidane is not commanding the respect he should.

I'd might have gone for you had you had a left winger because Zanetti could then have pulled a R. Carlos and therefor you'd only need the one winger to provide width on both flanks
Candela was a tricky attacking fullback himself and was Roma's Carlos in that team in the early noughties with Cafú on the right.

It was a shame Lizarazu was the established choice for France, but he did still get games for France at WC98 and Euro 2000.
 
I know, I just think Zanetti would be better than Candela at holding the flank down on his own. He's got that stamina and football brain to do so better than Candela. Candela could rather support and play like he did.
 
I know, I just think Zanetti would be better than Candela at holding the flank down on his own. He's got that stamina and football brain to do so better than Candela. Candela could rather support and play like he did.

I fully agree, it would mostly be Zanetti doing the damage, Candela would be the surprise element going up himself instead of Zanetti every now and then. Just to confuse the hell out of that shoddy backline really.
 
Antohan's team have absolutely no width at all. So I think he can try push Luis Enrique (very useful player) deeper to clog the midfield to stop Cling Bak's team from playing and create some space for Zidane to work. Cling Bak's team lack an 'enforcer' CB so I can imagine a prime Vieri (6'1") out-muscling and out-battling Carvalho (5'11") and Cannavaro (5'9").

On the attacking front, Cling Bak has prime Henry and Ronaldo in the same team, I think this will create some problem because both of them will constantly get into each other's way and affect each other's game.

I think I'll vote for Antohan if he can tweak his team a little.
 
Antohan's team have absolutely no width at all. So I think he can try push Luis Enrique (very useful player) deeper to clog the midfield to stop Cling Bak's team from playing and create some space for Zidane to work.

That was the logic behind my starting formation, got trounced and was 10 votes behind before anyone cared to listen!!!! I will happily accept your vote to even up that ridiculous battering I got straight after kick off ;) As if a team that dominated the midfield would be 5-1 (ratio) down within ten minutes :rolleyes:

Cling Bak's team lack an 'enforcer' CB so I can imagine a prime Vieri (6'1") out-muscling and out-battling Carvalho (5'11") and Cannavaro (5'9")

Exactly, Vieri will batter them.

I have a great combination of pace, power, aerial ability and long range shots up front and face a defence which should not be able to cope at all.

He's got attractive frontmen but his attacking play is somewhat one-dimensional against a defence which is sturdier and better equipped to deal with them. Aerially they will be cut off completely so it all goes down to positioning, staying disciplined and not doing anything stupid.

On the attacking front, Cling Bak has prime Henry and Ronaldo in the same team, I think this will create some problem because both of them will constantly get into each other's way and affect each other's game.

They are all very much the same type of player and hugely reliant on service. Davids has already eaten up and spat Riquelme by now. Any desperate long balls from deep are being cut off by my defenders as none of his forwards can challenge effectively in the air.

As I said, I can't see Cling's team winning this in real life more than 1 out of 10 times.
 
Exactly, Vieri will batter them.

I have a great combination of pace, power, aerial ability and long range shots up front and face a defence which should not be able to cope at all.

He's got attractive frontmen but his attacking play is somewhat one-dimensional against a defence which is sturdier and better equipped to deal with them. Aerially they will be cut off completely so it all goes down to positioning, staying disciplined and not doing anything stupid.



They are all very much the same type of player and hugely reliant on service. Davids has already eaten up and spat Riquelme by now. Any desperate long balls from deep are being cut off by my defenders as none of his forwards can challenge effectively in the air.

As I said, I can't see Cling's team winning this in real life more than 1 out of 10 times.

I think you got to get into attacking mode. I like your midfield, it offers variety and goals. Push Zidane and Enrique closer to Vieri and play route one football. Runners in midfield are extremely hard to defend against, I would want the likes of Scholes, Zidane and Enrique picking up loose balls on the edge of the area. Cling Bak also has Riquleme who will become a non-entity in midfield once his team don't have the ball so Vieira and Mendieta, both of whom are particular defensive midfielders and have always played with a 'water-carrier throughout their careers, will overworked.

Cling Bak's attack are very reliant on individual abilities, a well-structured back four with two midfielders (Scholes, Davids) patrolling in the 'gray area' will stop him.
 
I think you got to get into attacking mode. I like your midfield, it offers variety and goals. Push Zidane and Enrique closer to Vieri and play route one football. Runners in midfield are extremely hard to defend against, I would want the likes of Scholes, Zidane and Enrique picking up loose balls on the edge of the area.

That's pretty much the case as it is now I think as I have three forwards and two midfielders who are very gifted upfront and will be arriving in the box.

As you pointed out, Vieri is a very complete centreforward who has pace, power, finishing ability, aerial dominance and a lot of balls will spill over for these from his work as a battering ram (something Cling's forwards don't do).

Cling Bak also has Riquleme who will become a non-entity in midfield once his team don't have the ball so Vieira and Mendieta, both of whom are particular defensive midfielders and have always played with a 'water-carrier throughout their careers, will overworked.
Exactly the idea from the outset, those two will be very busy containing and tracking Zidane and Scholes and supporting the defence. Riquelme is isolated and the Pitbull is patrolling the midfield, where is the service and thus the goals going to come from?

Cling Bak's attack are very reliant on individual abilities, a well-structured back four with two midfielders (Scholes, Davids) patrolling in the 'gray area' will stop him.
Which is exactly what I have, albeit with Scholes joining the attack more often.
 
36 votes. Shaping up to be a worthy final.

And we still have about half the managers and some assistants who haven't voted so hopefully will break the 50 mark

Looked dire this morning, but it's not over until the fat lady sings :devil:
 
I'm having that issue myself. All of a sudden Zidane doesn't seem to be a vastly superior player to Riquelme :wenger:

Well this is a final. Zidane is as likely to score a goal as he is headbutt my centre half and ruin it for his team! ;)

Exactly, Vieri will batter them.
Come on, don't start the nonsense talk now. You've been a good boy until now. Cannavaro and Carvalho are two of the best of this generation and you know it. Besides the fact that Cannavaro's leap defies his height.

They are all very much the same type of player and hugely reliant on service. Davids has already eaten up and spat Riquelme by now. Any desperate long balls from deep are being cut off by my defenders as none of his forwards can challenge effectively in the air.
I'm not playing long ball stuff, I don't need to. I have a team full of passers and players that can beat their men in 1 v 1's. My entire front three will do that, my midfield can do it.

Discussing their aerial prowess is desperate.

As I said, I can't see Cling's team winning this in real life more than 1 out of 10 times.
Well no, obviously you wouldn't!

My bench could have a say now, against tired legs.

Who to bring on?

Edmilson to stabilise things?
Ze Roberto to bring a bit of pace, creativity and bite into midfield?
McManaman down the flank?
Morientes to steal a goal?

Decisions, decisions...
 
Well this is a final. Zidane is as likely to score a goal as he is headbutt my centre half and ruin it for his team! ;)

Has scored in more finals than you would care to remember ;)

Come on, don't start the nonsense talk now. You've been a good boy until now. Cannavaro and Carvalho are two of the best of this generation and you know it. Besides the fact that Cannavaro's leap defies his height.
Cannavaro more so than Carvalho (whose main weakness is lack of pace but that won't be exposed with you under siege). Either way, Vieri at his peak was a handful for any defence. The guy averaged a goal a game in three different league seasons for two different teams. He is the highest scorer of headed goals in Serie A history, so forgive me if I say that Cannavaro's height-defying leap is not going to stop him creating all sorts of trouble for you.

I'm not playing long ball stuff, I don't need to. I have a team full of passers and players that can beat their men in 1 v 1's. My entire front three will do that, my midfield can do it.

Discussing their aerial prowess is desperate.
It is not, my team is much better suited to keeping possession, I will dominate the game for the most part and your DMs will be scrambling as I play the ball around them. Riquelme becomes isolated with Davids monstering him in any case. How on earth will the ball reach your forwards? A big part of it would be aerially and aerially you won't win a single ball all game up there.

My bench could have a say now, against tired legs.

Who to bring on?

Edmilson to stabilise things?
Ze Roberto to bring a bit of pace, creativity and bite into midfield?
McManaman down the flank?
Morientes to steal a goal?

Decisions, decisions...
TBH, at this point the only people who are mentally and physically knackered are your CBs and your two DMs.
 
I voted for Cling Bak. Not to kick a good man when he's down as it's already been discussed to death, but the inclusion of Rivaldo would have most likely swung my vote the other way. I'd personally have him above Zidane in this kind of competition.

I think the teams are fairly close, antohan has the much better defence for me. Personal opinion again but I think Cannavaro is maybe the most overrated player of my generation. A great defender but not in the same league as Nesta; a farcical World Player of the Year award has greatly distorted his reputation I feel. As good as antohan's defence is and as great a player as Davids was, I feel like he'd be fighting a losing battle given the balance of the rest of the team. He has to do pretty much all the defensive work in that side without a Deschamps or Cocu (who I think is greatly underrated) alongside him.

Zidane and Scholes is one hell of a selling point but I think Cling Bak's midfield and attack is superbly put together and is overall just better in terms of quality and balance. The only question mark I have is with Overmars on the right, apologies if that's been covered in the past - I know he drifted inside all the time and was naturally right footed but I just have no memories of him starting there. Otherwise that front six is incredible.

And Vieri's heading ability keeps cropping up but I struggle to see where the crosses would come from.
 
I voted for Cling Bak. Not to kick a good man when he's down

:wenger: That's the bandage on my head mate :lol:

antohan has the much better defence for me. Personal opinion again but I think Cannavaro is maybe the most overrated player of my generation. A great defender but not in the same league as Nesta; a farcical World Player of the Year award has greatly distorted his reputation I feel. As good as antohan's defence is and as great a player as Davids was, I feel like he'd be fighting a losing battle given the balance of the rest of the team. He has to do pretty much all the defensive work in that side without a Deschamps or Cocu (who I think is greatly underrated) alongside him.
I actually wanted Cocu but Ralaks picked him right before me and then he went out :(

I'm not sure you are looking at it the right way though. I have three very dangerous men operating between the defensive line and central midifeld (Zidane + Luis Enrique and Forlán coming deep to work the channels) and a lot of creativity and pinpoint passing in the build up from both Scholes and Zidane. That's what makes Cling need two full-time DMs. I mostly have Riquelme to worry about and Davids could handle way more than him (Scholes himself could!). I actually find his DMs are more overworked than mine.

The only question mark I have is with Overmars on the right, apologies if that's been covered in the past - I know he drifted inside all the time and was naturally right footed but I just have no memories of him starting there.
Neither do I, and no, it hasn't been covered before. I'm not one to pick on these things. As far as I know he is a right-footed left winger whose corssing was rubbish (probably because he is very right footed) and always cut inside. I would not argue he can't do the same on the right although it is very likely his crossing would still be rubbish and his effectiveness when cutting inside is not as good as we were used to.

But I've spent this whole competition arguing Forlán (a two-footed player) could work the left flank as and when needed and being told he is not naturally left-footed. I think it is nonsense, so I'm not going to start using the same argument against Overmars.

And Vieri's heading ability keeps cropping up but I struggle to see where the crosses would come from.
You don't need to have a winger getting to the touchline to put a cross in. Both Zanetti and Candela will put in crosses either from deep or further up when one gets more adventurous. You can also put a ball in the box from anywhere on the pitch or the edge of the box (not just to score but to get Vieri to knock it down target man-style for another player to capitalise). Then there's all those free kicks which will be conceded as Zidane glides past people, and I would be very surprised if I don't get a bucketful of corners to score from. Not that headers was the only way Vieri scored, mind.

As I showed earlier, any of the three goals we scored on Sunday my team could have scored despite not having designated wing players.
 
So from the managers/assistants pot we are missing: Cal, Gio, Brwned, Ralaks, Jayvin, TBGB, KM, DE, Zen and Cling who's keeping his vote for last I guess.

That's 9 for a 5 vote difference (with each vote against "counting double" :smirk:), really need others to come on and vote to have any chance :(
 
The only question mark I have is with Overmars on the right, apologies if that's been covered in the past - I know he drifted inside all the time and was naturally right footed but I just have no memories of him starting there.

Fairly sure that Overmars played on the right at times for Holland - remember doing some good work down the right flank in '94.
 
Fairly sure that Overmars played on the right at times for Holland - remember doing some good work down the right flank in '94.

Dunno, he was definitely LW at club level as far back as I can remember him (Ajax 95). He does have a point that he always cut inside and that may not work as well on the other flank but frankly I wouldn't have a clue, he may even turn out to be able to cross a ball out there.
 
It would be a real shame if I did all this fighting back into contention only to get stuck right here :(
 
Fairly sure that Overmars played on the right at times for Holland - remember doing some good work down the right flank in '94.
He was also on the right in Euro 2000
Many thanks, ha, for such a great player I couldn't remember him there at all!
I'm not sure you are looking at it the right way though. I have three very dangerous men operating between the defensive line and central midifeld (Zidane + Luis Enrique and Forlán coming deep to work the channels) and a lot of creativity and pinpoint passing in the build up from both Scholes and Zidane. That's what makes Cling need two full-time DMs. I mostly have Riquelme to worry about and Davids could handle way more than him (Scholes himself could!). I actually find his DMs are more overworked than mine.
On the midfield, I guess we just disagree. I think in these competitions the likes of Vieira and Mendieta are invaluable because they're so mobile and as comfortable on the ball as they were in their defensive work. When these teams have as much attacking talent as they do, I think it really helps to have more of those players because in reality they're all overloaded with attacking talent. You say Davids' primary job would be to nullify Riquelme, well I think if Overmars was to isolate a fullback, he'd destroy him. I feel like I can't even talk confidently about him now (one of the few players I thought I could :lol:), given that I didn't even remember him playing on the right! The Ajax '95 Champions League run is one of the few things I've re-watched and while he wasn't so involved in the final, it still took Costacurta constantly coming across (and Donadoni pinned back) to help out Panucci all game. And he absolutely destroyed Bayern in the semis. I think his crossing was fine. Interesting matchup with Candela being right footed too. I just couldn't see your fullbacks getting forward much, which is where I see width being a problem.

Fair point on the crossing options, it was maybe a lazy criticism. I find the problem with forwards drifting out wide where maybe they didn't always do so, is that it's hard to visualise. All the time Forlan's trying to provide width, he's potentially leaving Vieri isolated. I know it would be a fluid front three but...maybe I'm just saying I'm lazy because I think it forces me to think harder as to how it would work. And when your competition is Ronaldo, you need a sure thing incredible attack. It just feels like Henry would pull out to the left much more naturally.

I think Cling has a really balanced attack, full of hard workers even taking into account the freeloader Riquelme (who would be an equal or greater goalthreat to Zidane). As I said, I feel it's close but them just be my opinions. It's all bollocks but bollocks that's interesting to discuss.
 
I'm not changing any time soon. Last night with 21 votes cast it was 16-5, the next 17 votes have been 5-12.

Goes to show how damaging the initial couple of hours was (13-3). Once the whole Rivaldo thing was sufficiently milked, and my tactics got updated on the op people started putting more serious thought into it.

Cling is all smoke and mirrors. I have him on the backfoot and will keep him there as it is only his men getting exhausted chasing the ball and defending for their lives.

  • Better defence
  • Better control and creativity in midfield
  • More options to find an opening upfront
  • More resilient big game players who will not let up
Why change?
 
I just couldn't see your fullbacks getting forward much, which is where I see width being a problem.

About half the teams that won the Champions League in the noughties played without designated wingers (Milan twice, Porto, Bayern, Inter...). They faced teams with wingers along the way, it didn't stop their fullbacks being effective and it didn't mean they overlooked the wide spaces.

And when your competition is Ronaldo, you need a sure thing incredible attack. It just feels like Henry would pull out to the left much more naturally.

You are doing it again.

Vieri, Forlán, Luis Enrique, Zidane and Scholes are trying to score against a backline of Capdevila-Carvalho-Cannavaro-Kelly

Cling is trying to score against Zanetti, Nesta, Montero and Candela.

That is what matters. It is not about whether Ronaldo is better than Vieri. It's about whether one frontline is more likely to score (more) against the defence they face.

As I said, I feel it's close but them just be my opinions. It's all bollocks but bollocks that's interesting to discuss.

Sure it is, that's really the point, it's a discussion board!
 
I think it was all because of your change in tactic. Current one is much better. I didn't like Enrique at all in the other one.
 
I'm not changing any time soon. Last night with 21 votes cast it was 16-5, the next 17 votes have been 5-12.

Wow - right back in it!
I honestly thought it was over, should have known better after my own comeback experience

I think your early change of formation made a difference, plus your relentless campaigning cant hurt either !
 
You are doing it again.

Vieri, Forlán, Luis Enrique, Zidane and Scholes are trying to score against a backline of Capdevila-Carvalho-Cannavaro-Kelly

Cling is trying to score against Zanetti, Nesta, Montero and Candela.

That is what matters. It is not about whether Ronaldo is better than Vieri. It's about whether one frontline is more likely to score (more) against the defence they face.
Nah, I'm not comparing them player by player at all, my vote was based around Cling Bak's team being better balanced in my opinion. But one has to try to give words to that to then get into these fruitless discussions :lol: and I don't see what's wrong with saying, you know, it's Ronaldo who by the rules of this competition is up there as the greatest player of all time. You do the same with Zidane. But it's not about Ronaldo vs. Vieri, it's the intimation that the rest of the team is well placed around Ronaldo to be a success. You yourself just broke it down into attack vs. defence when the reason I voted for Cling is that I think he'd have more control of the game and then be better placed to score. You'd quite rightly disagree.
About half the teams that won the Champions League in the noughties played without designated wingers (Milan twice, Porto, Bayern, Inter...). They faced teams with wingers along the way, it didn't stop their fullbacks being effective and it didn't mean they overlooked the wide spaces.
All those weren't fantasy teams overloaded with attacking talent, they had many more workers to aid the fullbacks. You have Davids. Maybe you can, but show me a team with the likes of attacking talent you have where the fullbacks could cross the halfway line.
 
Wow - right back in it!
I honestly thought it was over, should have known better after my own comeback experience

I think your early change of formation made a difference, plus your relentless campaigning cant hurt either !

Yeah, the formation change helped, shame such a big advantage had built up so quickly though, I was 6 down before I even posted, 9 down by the time I posted the change in formation and it had stretched to 11/12 by the time it got updated (not everyone reads and finds it). It was only then that it stabilised. Had it not been such an avalanche at the beginning we would be neck to neck by now.

I don't think the campaigning is convincing anyone really, I'm mostly discussing with people who have already voted against but it keeps it bumped which helps attract new votes.

Not sure whether it was you, Dan or TR who pointed out earlier that people don't vote when there is a gap. I don't think it is the case, what brings more votes to the tight games is that both managers keep arguing, bumping it and keeping it lively. Cling has been quite shrewd in disappearing as soon as the lead was built up and only checking in every now and then, which keeps me talking to myself :lol:

Hopefully we can get this tighter and get him to show up. Shame is I have a meeting over the last hour of this :(
 
Ye it was me - I should have known better as my own experience disproved it!

I think the campaigning can make some difference with certain voters but probably not that much, most wont read the whole thread. As you say, it is more useful just for keeping the thread bumped and hoping for new voters to back you.

Cling does need to get back on as we are in the last quarter and it is all to play for!
 
the reason I voted for Cling is that I think he'd have more control of the game and then be better placed to score. You'd quite rightly disagree.

Yeah, I guess that's the crux of it. I think the three upfront are pretty much waiting to be serviced, the service is very reliant on Riquelme who in turn is also waiting for someone to win the ball and give it to him, so that's four players doing bugger all without the ball. Puts all the pressure on the two DMs and out of those two I rate Mendieta much more highly than Vieira (big time charlie/flat track bully, not a big game player, my opinion I know).

I would be pressing all the way down from Forlán and Luis Enrique and once in possession I would be better suited to keep it.

I can't see how a setup that relies on two DMs working their butts off to give the ball to someone who releases rather direct player can control a game more than one where you have two playmakers building up the play and linking up with pretty versatile forwards, one of which was the best player at the World Cup as a playmaker himself. The former is much easier to cut off, the latter keeps you chasing shadows.
 
With all the talk of Vieri's aerial threat, I'm concerned some may overlook what a complete and devastating centreforward he was:

 
Cling keeps banging on about his bench but has done nothing as anything he does is a step back really.

In any case, I'm off to bed, wake up later than you chaps and don't want to wake up, find I've missed out on a tactical curveball and start looking for Brwned who may in all probability have better things to do!

  • We are into the last 20 minutes with the game at 21-18.
  • Out of all my players the only one with a tendency to fade in latter stages is Forlán.
  • The only useful thing I can see Cling doing is getting shot of Riquelme, he has been a passenger throughout.
  • That may require a wee bit of support for Davids.
Thus, Forlán is off (taking the match ball with him :p) and on comes Seedorf to pair up with Davids, providing greater protection to the back four without losing passing and vision in that part of the pitch.

That will give Scholes more attacking freedom. Zidane and Luis Enrique switch to inside-left (as in WC98 and Real) and inside-right positions, clearing up the middle channel for him. They will link up with Scholes to build up play and provide a clearer wide option. Their intricate passing and movement will send Cling's defence into disarray and any one of them (or Vieri, of course) can score from these opportunities.

And there was Gary Kelly all giddy thinking he had gotten away with it... Zidane will tie him in knots, draw Cannavaro and find Vieri who comfortably holds off Carvalho or a surging run from Scholes and Luis Enrique...

Sorry Edwin, your defenders will let you down.

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I'm not sure you are looking at it the right way though. I have three very dangerous men operating between the defensive line and central midifeld (Zidane + Luis Enrique and Forlán coming deep to work the channels) and a lot of creativity and pinpoint passing in the build up from both Scholes and Zidane. That's what makes Cling need two full-time DMs. I mostly have Riquelme to worry about and Davids could handle way more than him (Scholes himself could!). I actually find his DMs are more overworked than mine.

This comment has actually swayed my decision, I was planning to vote for Cling as your midfield seemed to lack bite, but the way you've described it there has completely changed my mental picture of the game. Vieira & Mendieta are both capable of pushing forward to support the attack, but if they do it in this game Zidane et al will destroy them. Riquelme will also be largely ineffective with Davids shadowing him all game and no support from the two behind him.
 
This comment has actually swayed my decision, I was planning to vote for Cling as your midfield seemed to lack bite, but the way you've described it there has completely changed my mental picture of the game. Vieira & Mendieta are both capable of pushing forward to support the attack, but if they do it in this game Zidane et al will destroy them. Riquelme will also be largely ineffective with Davids shadowing him all game and no support from the two behind him.

:lol: I partly made the change to the more sturdy midfield expecting you to show up overnight and making your previous assessment. Good to see all that writing is worth something!
 
I think that Antohan team is superior. The defense is well balanced and certainly world class material with Montero (the defender's version of Roy Keane) and Nesta (elegant defender at par with Rio in his prime) backing Zanetti (one of the best full backs ever) and Candela. His midfield is breathtaking (had he bent the rules to have Scholes-Zidane-Davids together)? And his forward line is at par with that of Bak.

My review

GK: Antohan < Bak
Def: Antohan > Bak
Mid: Antohan >> Bak (far superior)
Att: Antohan = Bak (maybe Bak is slightly better in that)