5th Test Showdown

Davo said:
You're showing a lack of understanding of both the rules and how this series will be viewed overall...
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Nope. Australia have nothing to prove. They will hate losing the ashes but they always hate losing. England need to prove their credentials. So far they have been the better side but if they cop out in this last test the doubts will remain. And the win will be undervalued.
 
There are less holes in a piece of cheese than Wibble's argument about the light. Stick to blowing Koalas, ya drongo.
 
Wibble said:
Nope. Australia have nothing to prove. They will hate losing the ashes but they always hate losing. England need to prove their credentials. So far they have been the better side but if they cop out in this last test the doubts will remain. And the win will be undervalued.
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It's nothing to do with proving anything, and everything to do with winning the Ashes.

England want to win the Ashes, so do Australia. Australia can only retain it with a drawn series because they've been the lesser side...

An Ashes win would prove England's credentials - and even if the series is drawn, their quality has been shown
 
Davo said:
England kept fast bowlers on because they've only got one spinner - who was bowling at the time.

The Aussies made a mistake by taking the light - but were perfectly entitled to take that option.

They haven't been good enough to amass a lead as they had hoped, and are now struggling to grasp a drawn series that they wouldn't deserve.

A draw won't devalue the series result at all, if anything, a victory for the Aussies - which would see the lesser side of the summer retaining the Ashes - would devalue the Ashes
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If Australia win it won't be seen as a devalued series. It will be seen as England snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual. If they go out and win this last game or at least draw by going for a win then they will receive the recognition they deserve.
 
Anyone who thinks England shouldn't take the light if offered is living in a dreamland.

Ponting would do (and has in the past) exactly the same thing.

The weather is a major factor in the nature of cricket - one of the main reasons that the counties from the south of England generally do better in the county game is that less of their games end in a draw due to poor weather.

There's no point in crying about it (Wibs ;) )
 
sidsutton said:
There are less holes in a piece of cheese than Wibble's argument about the light. Stick to blowing Koalas, ya drongo.
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In fairness, he's probably been brainwashed by an extremely biased Aussie media - who have a far greater view as to the importance of the England/Aussie rivalry than the Brits do

They'll be whinging about anything and everything right now...
 
sidsutton said:
There are less holes in a piece of cheese than Wibble's argument about the light. Stick to blowing Koalas, ya drongo.
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Keep reading The Sun headlines.

And hoping that the weather wins the Ashes for England.

Blowing Koalas? What an odd thing to say.
 
topper said:
AND I did not hear our Geoffrey calling them cheats OR implying that
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He called it bad sportsmanship or words to that effect on the Australian commentry.
 
Wibble said:
If Australia win it won't be seen as a devalued series. It will be seen as England snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual. If they go out and win this last game or at least draw by going for a win then they will receive the recognition they deserve.
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If Australia win it will be seen as them getting away with the Ashes that they don't deserve

If England win, be it by a draw or a victory, it will be seem as both deserved and further evidence that they are on the up at the same time as the Aussies are on a downward slide. And they'll get plenty of deserved recognition....although probably not in Oz
 
EricTheRed said:
Anyone who thinks England shouldn't take the light if offered is living in a dreamland.

Ponting would do (and has in the past) exactly the same thing.

The weather is a major factor in the nature of cricket - one of the main reasons that the counties from the south of England generally do better in the county game is that less of their games end in a draw due to poor weather.

There's no point in crying about it (Wibs ;) )
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Ponting may well have taken the light in similar circumstances. But Australai have nothing to prove.

If England cop out now I will have to put up with a couple of years of gibes about English cricket. I want a result from this test either way.
 
Wibble said:
And hoping that the weather wins the Ashes for England.
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How on earth can you think that???

Look at the scoreboard - England were ahead after the ist innings.

It's not a case of hanging on at all.

What's the point of batting in poor light & taking unnecessary risks when there is no need to?
 
Wibble said:
Keep reading The Sun headlines.

And hoping that the weather wins the Ashes for England.

Blowing Koalas? What an odd thing to say.
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It's an odd thing to do so stop it ya galar.

Did the weather help Australia get a draw in the 3rd Test? Yes. Swings and roundabouts. Australia set the standard at which light will be offered when they took it in the past 2 days(Giles was bowling on one of those occasions, never got the chance to put Vaughan or another spinner on, the Aussies were off like a...light). Should the umpires NOT offer it now?
 
According to you wibs, United or any other football team accepting a wrong decission by a ref is bad sportsmanship?
Hardly any United fans were embarassed last season when Rooney dived for that win over arsenal.
 
Wibble said:
Ponting may well have taken the light in similar circumstances. But Australai have nothing to prove.
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What on earth are you on about?

England have already proven they are more than a match for this Australian team.

Australia have to prove they've still got it if anything.....they're struggling to do so
 
Wibble said:
Nope. Australia have nothing to prove. They will hate losing the ashes but they always hate losing. England need to prove their credentials. So far they have been the better side but if they cop out in this last test the doubts will remain. And the win will be undervalued.
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That's what the Austrialian press will say but anyone who's watched the series knows that England are the better side and have absolutely nothing to prove
 
crappycraperson said:
According to you wibs, United or any other football team accepting a wrong decission by a ref is bad sportsmanship?
Hardly any United fans were embarassed last season when Rooney dived for that win over arsenal.
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Yeah but do they have anything to prove? :lol:
 
Davo said:
If Australia win it will be seen as them getting away with the Ashes that they don't deserve

Or a resumption of normal service

If England win, be it by a draw or a victory, it will be seem as both deserved and further evidence that they are on the up at the same time as the Aussies are on a downward slide. And they'll get plenty of deserved recognition....although probably not in Oz
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If they run scared in this last test they will undermine their achievement.
 
Wibble said:
Keep reading The Sun headlines.

And hoping that the weather wins the Ashes for England.

Blowing Koalas? What an odd thing to say.
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The weather isn't winning the Ashes, Englands play at Edgbasten, Old Trafford and Trent Bridge is winning the Ashes.

Just accept it Australia have been well beaten
 
crappycraperson said:
According to you wibs, United or any other football team accepting a wrong decission by a ref is bad sportsmanship?
Hardly any United fans were embarassed last season when Rooney dived for that win over arsenal.
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It is indeed. No matter what the sport.

Diving without contact is simply cheating.

Cricketers used to walk if they knew they were out. Gilchrist is the only modern player that I can think of who still does.
 
Wibble said:
It is indeed. No matter what the sport.

Diving without contact is simply cheating.

Cricketers used to walk if they knew they were out. Gilchrist is the only modern player that I can think of who still does.
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Diving and taking the light when offered are in no way comparable...
 
Davo said:
Wibble's half English

Can you imagine the extent which actual Aussie's will go to in defending their failing side?
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I thought Wibble was full English?

Which would make this even more bizarre....
 
Looking Busy said:
Win graciously, lose graciously. Something the Aussies have never quite mastered
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In terms of the players, I reckon a lot of the time they're good losers, but terrible winners.

Their media are simply bitter spastics mind...

Hopefully there'll be no more play today...
 
Wibble said:
It is indeed. No matter what the sport.

Diving without contact is simply cheating.

Cricketers used to walk if they knew they were out. Gilchrist is the only modern player that I can think of who still does.
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Of course diving is cheating but Refs in general give a loads of wrong decissions and footballers accept , its hardly percived as bad sportsmanship.

As far as walking goes, I dont agree with it at all, Bowlers appeal loads of times even when they know Batsman is not out. If Batsman is supposed to walk when he knows he is out, fielding side are also obliged not to appeal wrongfully.
And I would not really try to typecast Aussie as a role modal for sportsmanship.
*cough* Under arm bowling *cough*
 
EricTheRed said:
I thought Wibble was full English?

Which would make this even more bizarre....
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No it would not, how you heard Atherton, Boycott, T Greig...I support England and think its a travesty.
 
:lol:

Love it, getting the excuses in early I see.

Where's your 5-0 now?

I wonder if the silly cnuts regret coming off themselves thus setting the standard for the match?
 
That was just stupid from McGrath, setting himself up for an almighty fall...

Mind you, Hoggard's "old men" comment wasn't the brightest either
 
EricTheRed said:
I thought Wibble was full English?

Which would make this even more bizarre....
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I am.

My opinion is nothing to do with who I want to win. Like the Rugby World Cup I find myself wanting both sides to do well (which is a bit odd).

England have been the better side so far but I think they risk devaluing their win if they run scared now.
 
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