5 stabbed in Dublin | 3 of them children

Eyepopper said:
Yeah, people starving to death in ditches while the food produced from the land was being exported by absentee landlords is fecking hilarious.

It's just a little bit of historical context could come in handy, for you.
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Who's even arguing that part? It was what it was.

It's just the fact that nearly half the population of Ireland immigrated to the USA in a 100 year period, and now, you have riots by the far right against immigration.

Not trying to get into an argument at all.

It's just interesting.

When someone historically speaking thinks of large nation immigration, one can't think beyond the Irish immigranting to the States, right?
 
calodo2003 said:
Interesting.

At least there is no party of note which the cnuts can get behind.
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Hopefully it stays that way.

We're seeing the far-right and the populists reaching numbers in european elections which would've been unthinkable 15-20 years ago. Same for some political discourses held even by moderate/traditional right wingers.

Europe is slowly but steadily sliding to the right.
 
Eyepopper said:
Yeah, people starving to death in ditches while the food produced from the land was being exported by absentee landlords is fecking hilarious.

It's just a little bit of historical context could come in handy, for you.
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Kind of like the refugees coming here then, ey?
 
DickDastardly said:
Who's even arguing that part? It was what it was.

It's just the fact that nearly half the population of Ireland immigrated to the USA in a 100 year period, and now, you have riots by the far right against immigration.

Not trying to get into an argument at all.

It's just interesting.

When someone historically speaking thinks of large nation immigration, one can't think beyond the Irish immigranting to the States, right?
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First, let's bring context right up to date.

There's not a single elected representative, anywhere in Ireland, who's been elected on an anti immigration platform, so to suggest Ireland is anti immigration is a bit of a stretch.

Secondly, "large nation emigration" hardly applies to Irish people emigrating to the US in the 18 & 1900s. Its a bit different to people emigrating to Ireland in 2023. There are legitimate issues with immigration to Ireland in 2023 - we're filling hotels, and even tents, with Immigrants, someone should probably think about whether that's a good idea.

Finally, the riots taking place today, while cloaked as racism and anti immigration, are far more rooted in domestic governence issues such as poor management and under funding of inner city policing and a resulting failure to address anti social behaviour.

But hey, what do I know, I only live here.

I guess, if you haven't a fecking clue what you're talking about, it might look like a really ironic situation, where the Irish are anti immigration.
 
Eyepopper said:
First, let's bring context right up to date.

There's not a single elected representative, anywhere in Ireland, who's been elected on an anti immigration platform, so to suggest Ireland is anti immigration is a bit of a stretch.

Secondly, "large nation emigration" hardly applies to Irish people emigrating to the US in the 18 & 1900s. Its a bit different to people emigrating to Ireland in 2023. There are legitimate issues with immigration to Ireland in 2023 - we're filling hotels, and even tents, with Immigrants, someone should probably think about whether that's a good idea.

Finally, the riots taking place today, while cloaked as racism and anti immigration, are far more rooted in domestic governence issues such as poor management and under funding of inner city policing and a resulting failure to address anti social behaviour.

But hey, what do I know, I only live here.

I guess, if you haven't a fecking clue what you're talking about, it might look like a really ironic situation, where the Irish are anti immigration.
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Why are you getting all worked up on this?

Large nation immigration doesn't apply to 6 million Irishman and women immigrating to America in the 18th century?!

Is there a bigger nation immigration in the history of the world then that?
I mean, there could be, someone's probably gonna smack me with a history lesson couple of posts in the future.
But surely, it's one of the biggest.

There are legitimate issues? No shit.
As though the 18th century immigration was all peaches and cream.


All I did was express a funny connotation involving the Irish, history, and immigrants.

You seemed to have taken it personally.
 
Raven said:
Kind of like the refugees coming here then, ey?
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Absolutely, I welcome and empathise with anyone coming to Ireland from any situation like that, I can't even imagine what that must be like.

The Brazilian guy who interviened today.. fecking hero, left his family in Brazil to travel half way round the world to provide for them.. to me, that guys was a hero before he did what he did today and I'd take 10 of him over one the shitheads "protesting" against him being here.

But there has to be a limit, or maybe a better way of saying it would be to say it needs to be better managed and planned for by our government, no one should come here and have to live in a fecking tent ffs.

I'm am 100% pro immigration, and pro providing refuge for anyone in need, so I'm not gonna take some keyboard warrior taking a dig at Ireland and saying we're being hypocritical when it comes to taking people in need in.

The shit happening in Dublin today is in no way indicative of Irelands attitude to immigration.
 
Eyepopper said:
First, let's bring context right up to date.

There's not a single elected representative, anywhere in Ireland, who's been elected on an anti immigration platform, so to suggest Ireland is anti immigration is a bit of a stretch.

Secondly, "large nation emigration" hardly applies to Irish people emigrating to the US in the 18 & 1900s. Its a bit different to people emigrating to Ireland in 2023. There are legitimate issues with immigration to Ireland in 2023 - we're filling hotels, and even tents, with Immigrants, someone should probably think about whether that's a good idea.

Finally, the riots taking place today, while cloaked as racism and anti immigration, are far more rooted in domestic governence issues such as poor management and under funding of inner city policing and a resulting failure to address anti social behaviour.

But hey, what do I know, I only live here.

I guess, if you haven't a fecking clue what you're talking about, it might look like a really ironic situation, where the Irish are anti immigration.
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And presumably Ireland isn't unique so has feckwit far-right nutcases and Connor McGregor types who could pick the wrong side of a double sided coin
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Eyepopper said:
Absolutely, I welcome and empathise with anyone coming to Ireland



But there has to be a limit, or maybe a better way of saying it would be to say it needs to be better managed and planned for by our government, no one should come here and have to live in a fecking tent ffs.

I'm am 100% pro immigration, and pro providing refuge for anyone in need, so I'm not gonna take some keyboard warrior taking a dig at Ireland and saying we're being hypocritical when it comes to taking people in need in.
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So.
What's your limit?

Rough estimate will do.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Heh, immigrant stops immigrant perpetrating horrendous crime. What're ye rioting for lads?

I'll bet it fecking hurts to get walloped with a motorcycle helmet.
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Is that the Irish version of good people with guns stopping gun crime?
 
DickDastardly said:
Why are you getting all worked up on this?

Large nation immigration doesn't apply to 6 million Irishman and women immigrating to America in the 18th century?!

Is there a bigger nation immigration in the history of the world then that?
I mean, there could be, someone's probably gonna smack me with a history lesson couple of posts in the future.
But surely, it's one of the biggest.

There are legitimate issues? No shit.
As though the 18th century immigration was all peaches and cream.


All I did was express a funny connotation involving the Irish, history, and immigrants.

You seemed to have taken it personally.
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I'll smack you with the history lesson straight up.

6m Irish have emigrated to the US in the 19th, 20th and 21st century.

2m Irish emigrated to Ireland during the famine.

So again, I'll say the "funny connotation" only really works if you've no fecking idea what you're talking about.
 
DickDastardly said:
So.
What's your limit?

Rough estimate will do.
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No idea, not my job to know, and don't know the numbers well enough to guess.

I'd say housing them in abandoned music festival tents in September isn't a sustainable approach though.

Maybe place a limit on it until you have a proper management plan in place, I dunno, that would seem reasonable to me.
 
Eyepopper said:
I'll smack you with the history lesson straight up.

6m Irish have emigrated to the US in the 19th, 20th and 21st century.

2m Irish emigrated to Ireland during the famine.

So again, I'll say the "funny connotation" only really works if you've no fecking idea what you're talking about.
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Well, yes. That's the part I was referring to?

The Irish are historically speaking considered to be a immigration nation.
A shit load of you immigrated to the USA.

And the funny connotation actually works, cause now you're all worked up on immigrants.

Get it?

Kinda lost the funny bit now that I had to explain it like that.
Ah well.
 
Eyepopper said:
No idea, not my job to know, and don't know the numbers well enough to guess.

I'd say housing them in abandoned music festival tents in September isn't a sustainable approach though.

Maybe place a limit on it until you have a proper management plan in place, I dunno, that would seem reasonable to me.
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As in stop them from coming?

Speaking in 18th century terms, "turn the ship around and feck off back to wherever you came from"?

Your great great grandparents would have loved that.
 
Wibble said:
And presumably Ireland isn't unique so has feckwit far-right nutcases and Connor McGregor types who could pick the wrong side of a double sided coin
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Yeah, there's a few of them arseholes around too, and they've huge followings on tiktok or something, they're mostly laughed at tbf but I'm too old to really know.
 
London Bridge it was a South African dude with a fecking narwhal tusk... Dublin, it's a Deliveroo dude with a motorcycle helmet....

Got to admire the creativity from these heroes.


I hope the 5 victims are ok and that the Goosed up little fascists get tired soon and are all caught on CCTV so they all get nicked. If they get sent down they should all be forced to wear Gola or Dunlop. That will sort the little fecks out.
 
DickDastardly said:
As in stop them from coming?

Speaking in 18th century terms, "turn the ship around and feck off back to wherever you came from"?

Your great great grandparents would have loved that.
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As in, we're part of a larger conglomerate of countries, maybe 700 refugees would be better served by placing them in Paris, population 2m, than in Rosslare, population 2000.

I'm not anti immigration whatsoever, but I spend 3 nights a week in hotels around Ireland for work and I see first hand the existence some of these people live in and its fecking dire, and the ones in hotels are the lucky ones.

I'm not saying send them anywhere, I'm saying send them somewhere and give them some sort of proper existence.

Do you think we should keep taking in more when we have families spending September & October in a glamping tent in a field Stradbally?
 
Eyepopper said:
As in, we're part of a larger conglomerate of countries, maybe 700 refugees would be better served by placing them in Paris, population 2m, than in Rosslare, population 2000.

I'm not anti immigration whatsoever, but I spend 3 nights a week in hotels around Ireland for work and I see first hand the existence some of these people live in and its fecking dire, and the ones in hotels are the lucky ones.

I'm not saying send them anywhere, I'm saying send them somewhere and give them some sort of proper existence.

Do you think we should keep taking in more when we have families spending September & October in a glamping tent in a field Stradbally?
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What's wrong with Rosslare?

700 hundred of them in a 2000 town?
Shit, they'll get to win the election soon.

Call it little Fallujah.

You know, like little Italy in New York 18th century.
Or Boston. Where the majority of Irish immigrants went to live. Often in tents.

You say you're not anti immigration, but you don't really sound convincing.

It's either that, or you don't really understand how immigration works.
You're going all rational into it - let's all take the burden, let's disperse it through the EU, let's take the smart ones with degrees, let's try to incorporate them into our society, shit like that.

And I'm down with that, by all means.

Only problem is - it's not fecking realistic. That's not how things work. It's not how things worked 200 years ago when the Irish immigrated to the States, and it's not how things work now. It's chaos. It's fighting for your life.
 
DickDastardly said:
What's wrong with Rosslare?

700 hundred of them in a 2000 town?
Shit, they'll get to win the election soon.

Call it little Fallujah.
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Well, firstly, there's one primary school there, already full, no secondary school, and one, maybe two GPs, again already at full capacity, so no local medical services. As far as I know there's no dental services there either. And nothing else really down there of note.



You know, like little Italy in New York 18th century.
Or Boston. Where the majority of Irish immigrants went to live. Often in tents
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you really comparing Boston and New York to Rosslare? :lol:

You say you're not anti immigration, but you don't really sound convincing.
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I dont really care how i sound to you, youre clearly shit stirring with very limited knowledge of what you're trying to talk about, I'm a member of this forum and a Utd supportor because my father emigrated to Manchester in the 50s.
 
Pure scum in town. They did not give two fecks about anyone stabbed. They just needed a reason to go rioting. Imagine using the stabbing of a child as the reason to loot a load of shops.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Is there a more inept politician at their job than Helen Mc Entee? Christ.
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She is without doubt the most inept Minister for Justice in the history of the state. Promoted far beyond her ability. Other
Minsters had to deal with terrorists and subversives and God knows what else, this one has somehow managed to surrender the capital city to gangs of feral teenage scumbags.

Law and order is supposed to be Fine Gael's bread & butter but they can't even do that anymore.
 
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RedTiger said:
Was there any motive to the stabbings?
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They dont know yet. They dont think its a terror attack. Severe mental illness seems a safe bet based on those targeted.
Seems to have been planned with him having a knife with him and seen hanging around the area before the attack. Seems isolated and unrelated to anything wider at this point though
 
Raven said:
They're a political non entity for now but there's been a real rise in nastiness towards foreigners since the start of COVID. I think a lot of people have been led down the garden path by the far right with issues like anti vax, anti mask, anti tras, etc.

There's always been casual racism in Ireland though, I remember sitting in art class as a 17 year old and one of my teachers commented on one of my class mates tans after the summer holidays, saying she had a lovely colour. My class mate responded (to my teacher) "ya, I'm like a n*****". To which my teacher replied "ya, hahaha". My mind was blown, having just moved back from England where that would have been an expulsion.
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I had a similar experience moving back from the Uk 10 years ago. People casually saying horrendous racist stuff that you would just never hear in a more racially integrated country. Ireland is still so early in its journey to multiculturalism. My kids are growing up around black and brown kids but you rarely even saw a non white face when I was their age. It’s a really worry that we’re trying to mature in this way at a time when social media makes it so easy to create divisions.
 
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DickDastardly said:
Who's even arguing that part? It was what it was.

It's just the fact that nearly half the population of Ireland immigrated to the USA in a 100 year period, and now, you have riots by the far right against immigration.

Not trying to get into an argument at all.

It's just interesting.

When someone historically speaking thinks of large nation immigration, one can't think beyond the Irish immigranting to the States, right?
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300 year period. And why did they emigrate?

Really not the thread for this, by the way. The rioters have absolutely nothing to do with the people who left Ireland looking to not die from starvation and later on because the country was in economic ruins due to the historical effects of being a colony for 700 years.

Hope that's enough context for you.

Perhaps set up another thread if you want to discuss that and leave this one to the actual event happening currently?
 
DickDastardly said:
Well, yes. That's the part I was referring to?

The Irish are historically speaking considered to be a immigration nation.
A shit load of you immigrated to the USA.

And the funny connotation actually works, cause now you're all worked up on immigrants.

Get it?

Kinda lost the funny bit now that I had to explain it like that.
Ah well.
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And it's emigration man.

Immigration - in migration
Emigration - out migration
 
unchanged_lineup said:
300 year period. And why did they emigrate?

Really not the thread for this, by the way. The rioters have absolutely nothing to do with the people who left Ireland looking to not die from starvation and later on because the country was in economic ruins due to the historical effects of being a colony for 700 years.

Hope that's enough context for you.

Perhaps set up another thread if you want to discuss that and leave this one to the actual event happening currently?
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Ah there’s definitely an irony in Irish people demanding we pull up the drawbridge considering our own diaspora. I think it’s fair to point that out. But it’s not as though there weren’t arseholes overseas who behaved in the same way as a tiny minority of Irish far right agitators are doing now - “no dogs, no blacks, no Irish”. And the fact we have the highest % of recent immigrants in the EU without any politicians finding success on an anti immigration ticket shows how welcoming the Irish really are to immigration overall, despite a very small xenophobic minority.
 
Fecking hell. This thread has taken an entirely unnecessary turn.

The vast majority of Irish people are ashamed and disgusted by the behaviour of this minority. You only have to see the far bigger counter protests that follow an action by the far right folks.

AND our ancestors who emigrated would be ashamed of them too.

Any perceived irony is only in the head of someone who's clueless and deliberately looking for a windup.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ah there’s definitely an irony in Irish people demanding we pull up the drawbridge considering our own diaspora. I think it’s fair to point that out. But it’s not as though there weren’t arseholes overseas who behaved in the same way as a tiny minority of Irish far right agitators are doing now - “no dogs, no blacks, no Irish”. And the fact we have the highest % of recent immigrants in the EU without any politicians finding success on an anti immigration ticket shows how welcoming the Irish really are to immigration overall, despite a very small xenophobic minority.
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I think the irony is only there is if ignore that the vast vast majority of Irish people who are horrified by this.

Completely agree with the rest of the points though
 
Eyepopper said:
Absolutely, I welcome and empathise with anyone coming to Ireland from any situation like that, I can't even imagine what that must be like.

The Brazilian guy who interviened today.. fecking hero, left his family in Brazil to travel half way round the world to provide for them.. to me, that guys was a hero before he did what he did today and I'd take 10 of him over one the shitheads "protesting" against him being here.

But there has to be a limit, or maybe a better way of saying it would be to say it needs to be better managed and planned for by our government, no one should come here and have to live in a fecking tent ffs.

I'm am 100% pro immigration, and pro providing refuge for anyone in need, so I'm not gonna take some keyboard warrior taking a dig at Ireland and saying we're being hypocritical when it comes to taking people in need in.

The shit happening in Dublin today is in no way indicative of Irelands attitude to immigration.
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I think the problem here is that ye're both talking about Ireland as if it's just 1 homogenous group. It is ironic that there are Irish folk being anti immigration, that doesn't mean that all Irish people are anti immigration. I used to say the same thing when there were thick cnuts banging on about the Poles coming here years ago.
 
Raven said:
I used to say the same thing when there were thick cnuts banging on about the Poles coming here years ago.
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And don't forget about us poor English. My wife's granny though I was the best Englishman in the entire history of time, and even I only got a "He's OK for an Englishman".
 
Wibble said:
And don't forget about us poor English. My wife's granny though I was the best Englishman in the entire history of time, and even I only got a "He's OK for an Englishman".
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Trust me, I know, I'm half English and moved back here when I was 17, the abuse was quite something.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ah there’s definitely an irony in Irish people demanding we pull up the drawbridge considering our own diaspora. I think it’s fair to point that out. But it’s not as though there weren’t arseholes overseas who behaved in the same way as a tiny minority of Irish far right agitators are doing now - “no dogs, no blacks, no Irish”. And the fact we have the highest % of recent immigrants in the EU without any politicians finding success on an anti immigration ticket shows how welcoming the Irish really are to immigration overall, despite a very small xenophobic minority.
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Absolutely, one of my favourite films is Gangs of New York which showcases the racism the Irish suffered arriving in America quite well. You would think that in the modern age that people would realise the irony of this whole situation but instead we're being reminded that there are small minded bigots plaguing the world as much today as much as there were 200 years ago.

Ireland trying to come to grips with becoming a first world country and an attractive place to live amongst foreigners is an interesting and terrifying time, I really hope we can handle it better than others given our history. Doesn't look like it so far though.
 
Wibble said:
I was only joking, but I can imagine, especially at that age.
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I didn't really give a bollocks at the time, or so I thought but I think it's one of the reasons I get so angry when I see racism.
 
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