5 stabbed in Dublin | 3 of them children

Pogue Mahone said:
The refugees coming into the country aren’t being accommodated in (and obviously aren’t buying or renting) the type of property that Irish residents need. In fact, most of them are being shipped to parts of the country where the housing crisis isn’t an issue. The problem we have is an imbalance of supply and demand pushing prices too high. Refugees aren’t in any position to fuel these price hikes.
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But this is a problem in the UK, Canada, and Australia as well. Surely in Ireland there are issues on top of this for people to be protesting like this.
 
T00lsh3d said:
I thought Ireland was quite progressive, compared to the U.K. anyway. This reaction would be causing raised eyebrows if it were in Wolverhampton, never mind Dublin
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It’s really nothing. There are over half a million people in Dublin. This is just a few arsehole acting out.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
But this is a problem in the UK, Canada, and Australia as well. Surely in Ireland there are issues on top of this for people to be protesting like this.
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2cents covered it well earlier in the thread already but these “protests” are nothing to do with the influx of immigrants and more to do with lack of adequate policing in Dublin since Covid and letting these scumbags run rampant, culminating in today.
 
Abraxas said:
I just wouldn't have thought that it's helping. How can giving refugees and immigrants accomodation be helping a housing shortfall or the homeless? That doesn't compute on any level.

I see the argument raised they're in different parts of the country or whatever, but a government that is competent can then drive economic opportunities for Irish people to move to these less desirable parts where the houses exist and then the demand is lower where capacity is stretched. Creating jobs or the climate for job creation is another government function, and it's another way of coming at the problem.

The point is a an overall housing shortfall is present in the country and so is homelessness and people suffering in shit, mouldy housing. Just like in Britain. The priority really should be building more and getting people where they need to be, not trying to save the world and increasing the population further to add fuel to the problem. You're just never getting ahead of that problem with that strategy as much as it fits well in a liberal pamphlet.
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Wow.

I've just told you that the housing crisis has existed for a long time, the government couldn't be fecked dealing with it. Unless there's something in it for the corrupt cnuts that sit in the Dail, nothing will be done. The refugee crisis has exasperated the situation but the government is doing absolutely nothing to solve either issue. A proactive government wouldn't have to make the choice between being compassionate and taking in people fleeing for their lives and housing the natives. Unfortunately we don't have one of those.
 
Withnail said:
It's not a protest. These are the same clowns looking to riot and cause trouble since Covid.
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Massive Spanner said:
2cents covered it well earlier in the thread already but these “protests” are nothing to do with the influx of immigrants and more to do with lack of adequate policing in Dublin since Covid and letting these scumbags run rampant, culminating in today.
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So a similar problem to San Francisco then. I have heard from friends that police don't even investigate non-violent crime there anymore in a lot of cases.
 
IRELANDUNITED said:
I’m done with this discussion, you believe what you want. The most important thing is there is 3 children injured and a woman hurt tonight after being savagely attacked.
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Correct. Which is why I wanted you to substantiate the wild claims you used this thread to platform. Very bad taste to use an incident like this as an opportunity to spread fake news.
 
I think we can all agree that JD > Footlocker.

But it’s infuriating that these knuckledraggers are taking the focus off a tragic incident and turning it into an excuse for them to kick off.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Again these rioters are a very select few scumbags who plague the streets of Dublin and look for any excuse to cause havoc. Don’t mistake this as the general feeling of the public in Ireland.
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It's becoming more and more wide spread, the amount of people I interact with that don't even realise they're full blown fascists is genuinely incredible.
 
IRELANDUNITED said:
I don’t believe everything I’ve said was fake news, I’ve heard multiple stories about what I was saying but I don’t want to speak about it anymore and this is neither the time nor place to speak about it. I was extremely steamed up when I posted earlier and for that I apologise. I’ve deleted those comments now and the only thing on my mind is waiting for news of these children and woman’s recovery, and I hope to hell the scumbags in Dublin tonight get what’s coming to them.
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Changed your tune fairly drastically. Good for you.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The refugees coming into the country aren’t being accommodated in (and obviously aren’t buying or renting) the type of property that Irish residents need. In fact, most of them are being shipped to parts of the country where the housing crisis isn’t an issue. The problem we have is an imbalance of supply and demand pushing prices too high. Refugees aren’t in any position to fuel these price hikes.
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They’re being bussed into my home town and surrounding areas Pogue and being housed? They’re taking homes that are paying more for housing then than renting out, they’re 100 percent taking housing and it’s not their fault. The absolute shite renovations I’ve heard about in already shit non residential building that’s they’re being bussed to should be making the news.
 
Brave Irish patriots protecting Irish women and children.

Meanwhile...
 
Massive Spanner said:
Again these rioters are a very select few scumbags who plague the streets of Dublin and look for any excuse to cause havoc. Don’t mistake this as the general feeling of the public in Ireland.
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Fair enough. I think the thing that strikes me as different….and bear in mind this is hardly my specialist subject….but when we see this stuff in the U.K., eg the Remembrance Day fiasco recently, it seems to be mostly middle aged blokes, ex football hooligan types. Though the few bits I’ve seen from this incident today in Ireland is they all look like kids.
 
Think it's dangerous to say the riots have nothing to do with anti-immigrant sentiment given it's coming on foot of racist scumbags spending all day stirring discontent. Plus you can actually hear some of rioters in the videos expressing blatantly anti-immigrant sentiment. The bulk of them are just opportunistic scumbags, but they've clearly been influenced by the noise and rhetoric we've heard from the smaller faction of right wing cranks who are a problem in themselves.
 
sullydnl said:
Think it's dangerous to say the riots have nothing to do with anti-immigrant sentiment given it's coming on foot of racist scumbags spending all day stirring discontent. Plus you can actually hear some of rioters in the videos expressing blatantly anti-immigrant sentiment. The bulk of them are just opportunistic scumbags, but they've clearly been influenced by the noise and rhetoric we've heard from the smaller faction of right wing cranks who are a problem in themselves.
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That is a fair point. Probably better to say.. they’re using it as an excuse. Certainly it gives them a motivation.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Is there a more inept politician at their job than Helen Mc Entee? Christ.
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Probably not, she got in off the back of a sympathy vote.



Pogue Mahone said:
The refugees coming into the country aren’t being accommodated in (and obviously aren’t buying or renting) the type of property that Irish residents need. In fact, most of them are being shipped to parts of the country where the housing crisis isn’t an issue. The problem we have is an imbalance of supply and demand pushing prices too high. Refugees aren’t in any position to fuel these price hikes.
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Aye, they are being bussed around the country to out of the way hotels and B&Bs in backwater towns. There's a good few around me, to be honest all they seem to do is hang around the streets smoking and generally not doing much.

There's something like 50,000 empty houses in the country, only 3000 qualified for the vacant homes tax. A big part of pushing prices up is that all the first time buyer tax reliefs and grants are only available on the very limited supply of new houses.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Fair enough. I think the thing that strikes me as different….and bear in mind this is hardly my specialist subject….but when we see this stuff in the U.K., eg the Remembrance Day fiasco recently, it seems to be mostly middle aged blokes, ex football hooligan types. Though the few bits I’ve seen from this incident today in Ireland is they all look like kids.
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This is more like the London 2012 riots. Kids seeing an opportunity to kick off and grabbing it with both hands.
 
sullydnl said:
Think it's dangerous to say the riots have nothing to do with anti-immigrant sentiment given it's coming on foot of racist scumbags spending all day stirring discontent. Plus you can actually hear some of rioters in the videos expressing blatantly anti-immigrant sentiment. The bulk of them are just opportunistic scumbags, but they've clearly been influenced by the noise and rhetoric we've heard from the smaller faction of right wing cranks who are a problem in themselves.
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Very true. They’ve also burned an immigration centre, attacked a hostel for asylum seekers and a holiday inn that houses refugees. Countless videos/accounts of “allahs out” being chanted too - there is clearly very much a racist element to it.
 
sullydnl said:
Think it's dangerous to say the riots have nothing to do with anti-immigrant sentiment given it's coming on foot of racist scumbags spending all day stirring discontent. Plus you can actually hear some of rioters in the videos expressing blatantly anti-immigrant sentiment. The bulk of them are just opportunistic scumbags, but they've clearly been influenced by the noise and rhetoric we've heard from the smaller faction of right wing cranks who are a problem in themselves.
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You're absolutely right. This has everything to do with the rise of the far right in Ireland.
 
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