40s Retro Football Fantasy Draft | Finished

Balu said:
I personally would prefer a different deadline structure anyway. Something like 8 hours for the first 4 rounds, 6 hours for round 5 - 8 and 4 hours for round 9 - 12. And every manager can twice use an extension of additional 8 hours, if he can't come online.

The reason being that the first 4 picks are way more important and missing one of them screws the team up way too much. On the other hand, there's no reason to have endless waiting towards the end of the draft, when it's much easier to send a list of 3-4 names to one of the other managers in case you're not around when it's your turn. The additional 8 hours, which everyone can use twice, balances it all, because sometimes an emergency at work or at home can really feck up your day.
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That's not a bad idea - could ask @Aldo to implement it, actually.
 
If sally has sent in his pick, you have to post it now. It is one thing for yourself to wait for someone to post, you can't make that decision on someone else's behalf. Besides once one person start giving leeway to manager before him, it puts undue pressure on others to follow the same - which means you shoudl abolish the deadlines anyway.
 
@Balu

My only concern is that you've basically extended the deadlines from 8 hours across the board to 16 hours for the first four, then 14, then 12 for 9-12. Although there's a two-per-manager limit there, all in all I think that will slow things up.
 
crappycraperson said:
Besides once one person start giving leeway to manager before him, it puts undue pressure on others to follow the same - which means you shoudl abolish the deadlines anyway.
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It has been done already for Aldo which is why I'm saying it's not fair on harms. He has every right to feel aggrieved that posters waited for someone in the last round but not for him this time around. If there was no precedent, then I guess you could say tough luck. Not when we've already waited for someone but decide not to this time, because it's round four and not round three.

crappycraperson said:
It is one thing for yourself to wait for someone to post, you can't make that decision on someone else's behalf.
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Aye, he should make that decision himself and if he doesn't want to wait up for harms that's his call.
 
I'm not that arsed either way, but we don't want to be hanging around too long if we want to avoid losing collective momentum.
 
Gio said:
I'm not that arsed either way, but we don't want to be hanging around too long if we want to avoid losing collective momentum.
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I hope the next four or so managers in line have been able to PM their picks, if they've decided on it that is, so that we can pick up some steam when harms eventually shows up.
 
Gio said:
@Balu

My only concern is that you've basically extended the deadlines from 8 hours across the board to 16 hours for the first four, then 14, then 12 for 9-12. Although there's a two-per-manager limit there, all in all I think that will slow things up.
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If we trust the managers that they won't abuse it out of lazyness, then it shouldn't be a problem. And it'll definitely help towards the end of the draft in my opinion, because with only 4 hours as the deadline, everyone will be forced to send a few picks to someone in advance.

I'm fine either way, I'm in no rush and don't mind waiting a bit.
 
Joga Bonito said:
It has been done already for Aldo which is why I'm saying it's not fair on harms. He has every right to feel aggrieved that posters waited for someone in the last round but not for him this time around. If there was no precedent, then I guess you could say tough luck. Not when we've already waited for someone but decide not to this time, because it's round four and not round three.
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The latter is a crucial point, though. The reason I waited for Aldo was that the pick in question was his second. If it had happened in this round, I would not have waited.

Anyway, we can't use that situation as a precedent for the remainder of the draft - that would be ridiculous. As I see it I had every right to go ahead and pick once the time was up - but I decided not to, i.e. it was my call, not a general agreement.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The latter is a crucial point, though. The reason I waited for Aldo was that the pick in question was his second. If it had happened in this round, I would not have waited.
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That is subjective though, for me the first 4-5 picks are crucial as Balu himself stated earlier on and I myself would have waited for someone in this round.

Chesterlestreet said:
As I see it I had every right to go ahead and pick once the time was up - but I decided not to, i.e. it was my call, not a general agreement.
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Aye, just like you, sallycinnamin has every right to go ahead and pick now. Unfortunately he left a PM but what he should do in his timeframe is his decision and he alone should determine that - just like crappy aptly stated.

Your call @sallycinnamin
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4.
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4.
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck
 
Joga Bonito said:
...and I myself would have waited for someone in this round.
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Fair enough - just as long as you wouldn't hold it against someone else if they thought otherwise. The latter is potentially the issue here - as crappy suggested above. If the other managers think you're an arse for not waiting, it effectively means the choice isn't really a free one.

Which means that the only policy that actually works - is to insist on deadlines. Or drop them altogether, for that matter.
 
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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4.
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4.
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck

@Gio
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Fair enough - just as long as you wouldn't hold it against someone else if they thought otherwise. The latter is potentially the issue here - as crappy suggested above. If the other managers think you're an arse for not waiting, it effectively means the choice isn't really a free one.

Which means that the only policy that actually works - is to insist on deadlines. Or drop them altogether, for that matter.
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Of course not, it's well within their rights to choose to do as they so desire. Have nothing against that.
 
The midfield pool is being decimated here. Stiles is a great pick in the 4th round, expected him to go much sooner.
 
Gio said:
Every time his name has come up I remembered that brilliant clearance off the line against West Germany in the semi-final.
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Aye, that was some clearance. That was my go to match really when trying to form an impression of him as a player and he was excellent, keeping Muller at bay until he was subbed off, with Muller then proceeding to score twice in his absence.
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4.
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4.
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck

@crappycraperson
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Fair enough - just as long as you wouldn't hold it against someone else if they thought otherwise.
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Joga Bonito said:
Of course not, it's well within their rights to choose to do as they so desire. Have nothing against that.
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I certainly don't think it should be left at the discretion of anyone. It just does not affect the manager following but the entire chain as well.

The 8hrs has been agreed as fair to everyone and needs to be followed. No exceptions that are not allowed by Aldo specifically.

I partly agree Balu's suggestion. The 2x extension is a good addition, though I would put it to 4hrs only. All rounds must be 8hrs minimum. Don't agree on shortening of time for later rounds.
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4.
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4.
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck

@ctp
 
Marty1968 said:
No!!!!! Thought he'd be a round 5 or 6 player. Needed him alongside Gerson to do the running for him! Back to the drawing board! :mad:
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At the rate the midfielders are being snapped up, there probably won't be any by the time it comes back to us :lol:.
 
The feck. Seriously? All of them, every single one :mad:.
 
Wow, I really thought my shortlist for this pick would be down to one (or none) at this point. I'll need a moment to decide.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I certainly don't think it should be left at the discretion of anyone. It just does not affect the manager following but the entire chain as well.
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Yes - I agree.

Leaving it at individual managers' discretion is problematic in more than one ways, as I alluded to above. But this means - too - that people have to stick to the rules whether their natural inclination is to be patient/lenient or not, if they don't it won't work.

Let people give the no-show half an hour if they're feeling merciful - but anything beyond that actually undermines the thing. That's my take on it anyway - and I won't say anything more about it.
 
I'm delighted to snap up one of the best German strikers of all time as a fourth round pick. 220 goals in 369 Bundesliga games, top scorer twice, World Cup winner, European Champion, UEFA Cup winner and multiple domestic titles. Welcome to the fold, Jupp Heynckes.

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck

@Balu
 
I'm totally lost, the plan was to finally pick a defensive midfielder, but then you guys went all crazy and picked my whole list. So feck defending, let's create some chances for Gerd to score instead. I'm delighted to get him, someone who can dribble and create down the middle and play wonderful defense splitting passes:

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Looks like a nice guy as well.
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck

@Invictus
 
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck
 
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