2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

Been taking a breather on the whole thing, but trying to make sense of the analysis now...I don't think anyone knows what happened. All I see is each person's hobby-horse being blamed:
If you're dem but hate wokeness - it was being too left and falling into the 'trans-trap'
If you're dem but like Harris - she could never have won because incumbents everywhere are getting destroyed, in fact she did well relatively.
If you're dem but Gaza is the be all and end all - see we TOLD you! Jill Stein for the win!
If you're dem but don't like the establishment - Bernie would have won, the dems can't have the elites and the working class
If you're dem but like tin foil - it's all a lie!

I'm not sure it's one simple answer to be honest. But the fact that something like 14m fewer voters showed up tells me one thing above all else: Trump isn't viewed as all that dangerous, or incapable of being President.

I think this is all true in fairness.



Also very true. You cannot one second be calling someone a fascist and a threat to democracy and then in the next be voting with them. That’s not how fascism works.
 
Been taking a breather on the whole thing, but trying to make sense of the analysis now...I don't think anyone knows what happened. All I see is each person's hobby-horse being blamed:
If you're dem but hate wokeness - it was being too left and falling into the 'trans-trap'
If you're dem but like Harris - she could never have won because incumbents everywhere are getting destroyed, in fact she did well relatively.
If you're dem but Gaza is the be all and end all - see we TOLD you! Jill Stein for the win!
If you're dem but don't like the establishment - Bernie would have won, the dems can't have the elites and the working class
If you're dem but like tin foil - it's all a lie!

I'm not sure it's one simple answer to be honest. But the fact that something like 14m fewer voters showed up tells me one thing above all else: Trump isn't viewed as all that dangerous, or incapable of being President.

As I posted initially, in the age of 'f*ck around and find out', those non-voters are about to get the latter. We'll see who was right. I think the 'sane-washing' and the removal of shame from society (at least politics) is fascinating.

One thing I do believe isn't getting enough attention is how successfully Trump/MAGA weaponised election fraud. During election day he was still tweeting about it, setting it all up for any loss being illegitmate. Where are those claims now?

Someone made a point at some point in this thread that made me think. To be clear I do not live in America so I do not know how true this is, but it was essentially that to the average person on the street, that being someone who isn’t chronically online, doesn’t engage much with politics and stories outside of perhaps what affects them directly, just sees a couple news headlines here and there, life did not change that much for them during Trump’s first stint, so the perception that things would get bad if he comes back in isn’t really there.

Would you say that that’s accurate?
 
How many years before America becomes a full blown oligarchy?

10 years ago if you would have said the world’s richest man is gonna be managing the US govt’s efficiency you’d be called a hysterical leftist.

Elon gonna surely gut whatever shitty public transport infrastructure US has.
 
Also very true. You cannot one second be calling someone a fascist and a threat to democracy and then in the next be voting with them. That’s not how fascism works.
Well it gets complicated when you analyse the relationship between capitalism and fascism.
 
How many years before America becomes a full blown oligarchy?

10 years ago if you would have said the world’s richest man is gonna be managing the US govt’s efficiency you’d be called a hysterical leftist.

Elon gonna surely gut whatever shitty public transport infrastructure US has.
It already is. Do you think Trump would have won by the margins he did without Elon's shenanigans? Probably not.
 
Oh, look how adults do a peaceful transfer of power to the winners of a fair and square election. Puts Trump and his MAGA cult to shame. They'll never recognize it, though.

The irony being that if the roles were reversed this meeting wouldn't have taken place and Trump would still be moaning about cheating, recounts, and rigged elections.
 
It already is. Do you think Trump would have won by the margins he did without Elon's shenanigans? Probably not.
Poor Kamala. She just had the entire traditional media, except Fox, the entire big tech except Musk's companies, and the entire Hollywood. She also spent just one billion, significantly outspending Trump.

Your main point stands though. The super-PACs should be banned, as should be donations above some small sum (such as 500-1000USD).
 
Wow, having the daughter of a war criminal whom your voters despise, campaigning with you did not help. Who would have though?!

She could've had the support of anyone from Ghandi to Ghengis Khan and still would've lost because independents simply weren't buying her specifically or the style of politics she was selling.
 
She could've had the support of anyone from Ghandi to Ghengis Khan and still would've lost because independents simply weren't buying her specifically or the style of politics she was selling.
In case she actually managed to explain what politics she was selling, in the first place.
 
Oh, look how adults do a peaceful transfer of power to the winners of a fair and square election. Puts Trump and his MAGA cult to shame. They'll never recognize it, though.
Adults don't call you a fascist dictator one day and then shake your hand the next saying they'll help you transition into power.
 
It wouldn’t surprise me if it was true. AOC made the same argument in 2020 during the Bernie campaign -

‘It Was Like Pulling Teeth’: AOC Backed Away from Sanders Campaign after Joe Rogan Endorsement​

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) declined multiple pleas from the Bernie Sanders campaign to stump for the Vermont senator’s candidacy after the Iowa caucuses, according to HuffPost.

Ocasio-Cortez was heavily involved in the campaign’s buildup to Iowa, headlining seven rallies for Sanders in Iowa over the weekend of January 24 to January 26.

But the progressive New York representative disagreed with the campaign over its decision to promote the endorsement of Joe Rogan, the popular podcaster who has been criticized by LGBT activists for opposing puberty blockers for gender-confused children. He has also spoken out against the participation of biological males competing in women’s sports.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...ers-campaign-after-joe-rogan-endorsement/amp/
 
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No, just thought I'd add some context as to whom said it.
Sure. I mean it could be true, of course, it just seems awfully convenient to throw that segment of the party under the bus once again. And honestly, there were other issues that were far worse to the progressives - not having a Palestinian speaker at the DNC comes to mind. If Harris isn't strong enough to say "Yeah, feck off please, I need to appeal to a broader range of voters", she really shouldn't have run for POTUS anyway.
 

For how long though? With Trump nominating House members for Government posts there will be quite a few special elections, some voters will have an opportunity to partly redeem themselves, espeically as they'll get a taste of what's coming before they're held
 
Anyone who thinks The Dems will be unelectable for the next few generals, only need to look at the calibre of people Trump is staffing his cabinet with.

His administration is going to be a sequel of the first clown show.
 

But some things are more important than votes and winning. Sometimes you must do what is in your heart and stand by your friends, who you ideologically agree with. Being honest may cost you votes, dignity, the future of the country, human civilization. But if you believe something, say it loud and proud: "We love you Liz Cheney, thank you Dick for everything you have done."- Kamala 2024

Only then will you become Brat.
 
But some things are more important than votes and winning. Sometimes you must do what is in your heart and stand by your friends, who you ideologically agree with. Being honest may cost you votes, dignity, the future of the country, human civilization. But if you believe something, say it loud and proud: "We love you Liz Cheney, thank you Dick for everything you have done."- Kamala 2024

Only then will you become Brat.
As Jon Stewart said: WTF did you spend all that extra money on if it didn't get you to run an effective campaign?

He also made the very good point that is not mentioned often enough but I have heard many mention being annoyed by: the amount of canvassers showing up to people s homes. Often more than once. Even some of the most staunch Dems at my office said it almost made them not want to vote. Now think about how many probably actually did just that, or voted the other way. Jokingly but with a pt said they would have been better off doing the Musk thing and giving out gift cards.
 
For how long though? With Trump nominating House members for Government posts there will be quite a few special elections, some voters will have an opportunity to partly redeem themselves, espeically as they'll get a taste of what's coming before they're held
Doesn't it mean that he has essentially free hands for the next two years? That's plenty of time to wreak havok.