I bet you won't find any Trumpy Trouts in that one.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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I bet you won't find any Trumpy Trouts in that one.
She would love that, though.
Not family for me but at least one colleague at work. Tbh I like him as a person but can’t be there if politics comes up. So, we both avoid that subject. He’s hooked on Fox News so you can imagine the info he’s getting, and not getting.
Poor guy. He prolly says the same about me
Poor guy. He prolly says the same about me
Agree. And unless their news source, or circle of influence, magically changes (which it wont) then they will forever feel the same about Trump and whatever comes next. Plus, people don't want to admit they are wrong. A lot of these people's identity revolves around supporting Trump.
As much as the core of the GOP would love to have a centrist candidate, there is now a wing that expect someone like Trump as a Republican leader going forward. A Rubio or Haley will feel like diet coke to them, when they have been snorting pure columbian for the past 8 years.
Not according to Stormy Daniels
Only saw two Trump flags in all my travels today in western NC today. Low energy.
I was talking about Kari Lake, mate.
According to Nate Silver, Harris is gaining relative to last week (without the effect of the convention yet):
https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
This is why I wasn’t impressed by the gain of Trump last week compared to the previous one.
Now, we need to see the effects of the convention and RFK dropping out of the race. This is likely to happen in two weeks or so, and then we will be approaching the debate.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
This is why I wasn’t impressed by the gain of Trump last week compared to the previous one.
Now, we need to see the effects of the convention and RFK dropping out of the race. This is likely to happen in two weeks or so, and then we will be approaching the debate.
But that is the whole point that some of us had been hammering for 2 years.
Any normal candidate was a favourite against Trump if Biden decided not to run a second term and the Dems had normal primaries. Trump was a terrible opponent that a decrepit Biden propped up Trump to a viable option
Obviously awful but despite its grandiose name I'm not entirely sure how important this mob currently are. They seem to be a grass roots pressure group with 1800 followers on twitter. Reading their wiki makes them sound pretty small potatoes too.
Guess we'll see if this argument catches on in the wider Republican party (a fair chance imo).
Did Walz really do a smack down on Ann Coulter?
This is excellent.
Yes.
Well, every Iraqi suffered because of that man will thank you for that answer.
To be fair, after 9/11, the Patriot Act and Afghanistan invasion would have happened if Gore was President. And the deregulation of the financial services industry that was the root cause of the Great Recession happened under Clinton, the Financial Services Modernization Act (1999) and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (2000). The Great Recession also would have happened if Gore was President.
It's really only the Iraq War that would be solely Bush Admin's fault.
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I’m sure my answer will make a yuge difference.
It’s possible to believe Trump is worse than Bush without defending the latter. Your comment is uncalled for.
No it is impossible.
In terms of the destruction and misery Bush caused around the world, it is impossible to say that Bush is not worse. He is directly responsible for the destruction of the lives of tens of millions around the world, directly responsible for the rise of one of the worst terrorist organisation in modern history, everything trump did will be like a drop in a sea compared to GB.
Unless you think 35m Iraqi lives not that important.
Trump isn't patch on Bush and it's most likely to remain that way even if he Comes back to power .
I’m not going to go into a discussion about who is worse. I think that’s a pointless excercise. I’m just saying that when you vilify a stranger for making a comment like that, you are contributing to a toxic debate climate that ironically enabled Trump. It’s just not an okay way to reply to someone.
Yes.
No one is "rehabilitating" W. He was not a good president, let's make that perfectly clear. However, It is natural that he looks somewhat better when being compared to Trump and the new, even more extreme, iteration of the Republican Party of today. Just look at how people like W, Romney and Liz Cheney have become pariahs of their own party - how extraordinary is that?
I am not creating a toxic debate, his answer is cold and lack any human compassion with the hundred of thousands of Iraqis who lost their lives and millions refugees affected by that, it is shortsighted view and self-centred that has no regards to other people tragedies.
I answered that way because you set up your argument in a way that would make any other answer than the one you wanted seem bad. It was not a question you asked in good faith. Which is why I gave a cold, but true, answer without elaborating.
I believe it is completely obvious that Bush is better than Trump, but as @Jev says it is completely pointless going into a long winded discussion about something that will only waste our Saturday.
When in doubt, just double down.
I'm not in doubt.
That's even worse.
It is only obvious for people who do not care about millions of lives lost on wars and invasions and aftermath destruction cause by that man.
Now if you have no regard for the tragedies of all those people from the middles east, fair enough, because domestic policy is nothing I can comment on and probably B is better, I dont know. But the world is not only the USA and the number of human lives suffered on the hands B dwarfs whatever Trump did.
Exactly.
With all due respect, if you do not have any knowledge or interest in US domestic policy then perhaps this is not the right thread? Given this is 100% about domestic policy.
I think that you don't quite understand how harmful on both domestic and international levels that mentally challenged excuse of a human being you elected as a President in 2000 was, and how he paved the way to an even more mentally challenged psychopath in 2016.
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There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
I did not elect Bush, as I'm not based in America and if I was I certainly wouldn't be in Florida!
We can go in circles all day long - it's no use. It's not even like I'm defending Bush. The guy was an idiot - I am merely saying that he (and other old school Republicans) would be clearly preferable to the madman who tried to subvert a fair election. And yes, I remember Florida 2000. It's not really comparable.
That's not even going into all the other Trump insanity. You all know about it, I don't need to make a list.
For me it's clear that the Bush Presidency was categorically worse for both the world and the US. The changes brought about by that administration in terms of fear of others, immigration, hte patriot act and so forth are vastly worse than anything Trump did domestically, even including the 1m excess covid deaths. It's not even close in terms of foreign policy, though obviously if someone killed thousands of Americans on US soil while Trump was President, we'd probably have entered a nuclear holocaust.
But I believe Bush is a better human being that Donald Trump. I think he was in over his head, isn't particularly bright and was raised to follow the 'orders' of those who had worked with his father. He was a useful idiot for the truly evil people behind him. Whereas Trump is an utterly vile piece of trash masquerading as a human.
Both things can be true.
Anyway, there's an election coming up between Harris and Trump...
But I believe Bush is a better human being that Donald Trump. I think he was in over his head, isn't particularly bright and was raised to follow the 'orders' of those who had worked with his father. He was a useful idiot for the truly evil people behind him. Whereas Trump is an utterly vile piece of trash masquerading as a human.
Both things can be true.
Anyway, there's an election coming up between Harris and Trump...
I have some knowledge on US domestic politics, but I can not call myself an expert on it. That said domestic policy is not where people lose their lives in illegal wars.
You are just confirming my point, you are implying with your response that other people lives is worth less.
My point's that W is as much a despicable human being as the fat, orange madman. The former being only infinitely worse because the exceptional circumstances at the time enabled his utter idiocy to express itself in its full glory, which the US and the world still feel to this day.
Both are a shit stains and arguably the two worst presidents in US history, there's no choosing between the two.
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That we can agree on. Now, I think this thread should get back on topic.
The first term wasn't worse. However, I fear a second Trump term might be much worse than Bush Jr.
Maybe not for Iraqis but definitely for the Western world. It's not good, if the leader of the free world is a half senile, egomaniac autocrat.
So yes I would prefer Bush being the GOP nominee over Trump.