2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

ManUtd1999 said:
Yes. WI was a big failure on her part. She was overconfident about it because it voted consistently for the Democrats. The same applies to PA and MI.

But she also lost states where she campaigned a lot.
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People just loved to bring up WI while ignoring how she got walloped in Ohio and Iowa despite practically living there for 2 years.

The truth of the matter is white working class men without a college degree in those Midwestern states just really didn’t like her. They didn’t like Biden much either, but the extra 5% he got in 2020 with that group pushed him over the line.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
No, we don’t. But they’re trying to bring as many people who know her as possible.

Walz should speak before it’s too late here on the East Coast.
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We know it already though. Yes, she took on the banks, transnational gangs, kiddy fiddlers.

The Dems think its a club line up. You don't need to put the headliner on late into the night. Were not on MDMA on a Wednesday night - not yet anyway!
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
People just loved to bring up WI while ignoring how she got walloped in Ohio and Iowa despite practically living there for 2 years.

The truth of the matter is white working class men without a college degree in those Midwestern states just really didn’t like her. They didn’t like Biden much either, but the extra 5% he got in 2020 with that group pushed him over the line.
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Yeah. These voters are squarely behind Trump. The question is whether we can cut a bit the margins there while continuing to gain in the suburbs and run up the score in the cities.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
People just loved to bring up WI while ignoring how she got walloped in Ohio and Iowa despite practically living there for 2 years.

The truth of the matter is white working class men without a college degree in those Midwestern states just really didn’t like her. They didn’t like Biden much either, but the extra 5% he got in 2020 with that group pushed him over the line.
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Plus we saw how terrible Trump was, especially in mishandling COVID.
 
gaffs said:
Shapiro has too much main character energy to be VP. White Obama vibes in the way he speaks.
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Besides the voice, he can only dream of being half as charismatic as Obama. Guy gives off very try hard energy.

I haven’t seen Newsom stump but the 80s era Wall Street greaseball hairstyle aside, he’s easily the more polished politician.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
Pretty much. That’s not good enough to win in 2024. It’s not 2008 anymore.
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He would've completely overshadowed Harris if he was VP, which is probably among the reasons he wasn't selected.. She's an ok public speaker, but not anywhere near an Obama level.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Besides the voice, he can only dream of being half as charismatic as Obama. Guy gives off very try hard energy.

I haven’t seen Newsom stump but the 80s era Wall Street greaseball hairstyle aside, he’s easily the more polished politician.
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Yeah. Shapiro electrified the crowd, but he’s no where near Newsom. Not ready to be president in my view.
 
Shapiro was ok, but a bit disappointing that half of that speech was a repeat from his speech from a few weeks ago. That was off the cuff and way more effective. This seemed meh by his standards.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:


Has anybody told him that it doesn’t help his case doing this?
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Jeb’s on it
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Here's Pete. He needed this spotlight. I like the relatable family aspect of his speech.
 




Absolutely minimal demands, genuflecting before those who are killing them, they get nothing, and so demand even less...


Basically, the DNC (rightfully) said about Palestinians:

 
Superficially, everything about Tim Walz screams Republican - big fat combative old white guy from rural Nebraska/Minnesota, veteran, football coach, hunter, perfect c.v. for an authentic small town GOP bruiser. And yet here we are.

His debate with Vance will be a cracker.
 
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