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Are people just ignoring the bit where Shapiro claims to have served in the IDF ?
Are people just ignoring the bit where Shapiro claims to have served in the IDF ?
A veteran too?
Yeah he was definitely much stronger in 20, which was reflected in how many votes he got. In any normal year, he would've won that election.
As much as a i like Bernie, i'm sort of happy he didn't get the nomination in 2020, i'm not sure he could have pulled it off, in fact, i rather doubt it.
In 2016, he would have had a good shot, not so much in 2020 imo.
I am sure most of US elected politicans today were straight up homophobic and much more racist 30 years back. Using what someone said 3 decades ago to paint them in certain light seems bizarre when you can just rely on his recent statements on ongoing conflict/massacre in Gaza. It is also disingenuous to argue that Pro Palestinian groups did not go digging into Shapiro's past mainly because he is a JEW. So anti semitism is definitely at play here.
What's wrong with the Dakotas? c'mon US Jews, get up in there.
Why is it meaningless when he criticizes Israel but not when he’s critical of Palestinians or pro-Palestinian protesters?
Not a name that has made the most noise, but J.B. Pritzker has been mentioned regularly as a consideration and one that the Harris campaign likes. He's not controversial like Shapiro, even though they're both Jewish. What could explain that?
This would be a ballsy pick.
If she’s most comfortable with him, he will be selected.
Hopefully it coming from someone as experienced, as knowledgeable and indeed as wise as the Speaker Emerita will be enough for Harris to see sense.
Didn't you claim it would strain credulity for Harris not to do whatever she can to win Pennsylvania, i. e. pick Shapiro?
I don't think so, it was very difficult for dems to get him out in 2020, particulary with his strength in the rust-belt.
I believe he is significantly weaker now.
A veteran too?
If she’s most comfortable with him, he will be selected.
But someone like @Drainy would pay himself to do it. Or was it another poster?Imagine if your job involved being forced to take a meeting with that dumb little crybaby. You couldn't pay me enough.
I don't think its that simple. As Harris deliberates, one of the key questions she will have in the back of her mind is whether the country is ready to elect a person of colour and a gay person on the same ticket.
Is homophobia also largely blunted in the US?I don’t think it will be a consideration since Pete has been on the national stage and has not only been broadly accepted, but also outperformed Harris herself in 2019/20. The only downside to Pete would be that he hasn’t been a Governor, but ultimately it will be a matter of being very comfortable working with him if she selects him.
Is homophobia also largely blunted in the US?
Oh c'mon...Wouldn't say so, especially since gay marriage has become less accepted in recent years in the US.
But someone like @Drainy would pay himself to do it. Or was it another poster?
From the perspective of the progressives, it isn't even just the Israel stuff with Shapiro. You could leave that totally aside, and they will still prefer someone else. First of all, Beshear and in particular Walz are seen as more pro-labor than Shapiro. Both of them walked the picket line with UAW, and Shawn Fain has gone on CNN and said that Beshear and Walz are his unions top picks. Josh Shapiro also supports charter schools, which is really unpopular with teachers unions and with the left in general. And then there is the story about a potential coverup of a MeToo scandal with one of Shapiro's top aides. It was settled out of court and the aide resigned, but the story is there.On Shapiro, it's absolutely horsesh*t to grasp at things he wrote at college 30 years ago to try and prove your point. As bad as the situation in Gaza is what it has done to some people's reasoning ability is incredible. You'd never do that for other issues. A 20 year old is allowed to learn and change their mind. Then backing it up with deliberately taken-out-of-context statements to try and 'prove' your point is equally disingenous. If you have reached the point on Gaza where literally no democratic policitician is good enough for you, then maybe just stop looking for it, as it'll only disappoint you. It's perfectly rational and justifiable to make it the defining issue to you - that's fine - but I think we should just park the 'no Democrat is anti-Israel enough' stuff on this thread, because it is a fact, it is proven and the race will continue regardless.
Agree with all of that. Not pro Shapiro, just think digging up college papers should be below people.From the perspective of the progressives, it isn't even just the Israel stuff with Shapiro. You could leave that totally aside, and they will still prefer someone else. First of all, Beshear and in particular Walz are seen as more pro-labor than Shapiro. Both of them walked the picket line with UAW, and Shawn Fain has gone on CNN and said that Beshear and Walz are his unions top picks. Josh Shapiro also supports charter schools, which is really unpopular with teachers unions and with the left in general. And then there is the story about a potential coverup of a MeToo scandal with one of Shapiro's top aides. It was settled out of court and the aide resigned, but the story is there.
Par for the course for how politics are done nowadays - people tend to go digging. Al Frankens images, and Trudeau’s black face pop straight into mindAgree with all of that. Not pro Shapiro, just think digging up college papers should be below people.
As an argument to completely dismiss a politican, sure. As something to bring up and question them over, I don't see it as a problem. Give them a chance to correct their position.Agree with all of that. Not pro Shapiro, just think digging up college papers should be below people.
Has he?A 20 year old is allowed to learn and change their mind.
He has not.Has he criticized Israel? He has criticized Netanyahu, but I don't know what he had in mind specifically.