2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

Iker Quesadillas said:
You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

Here you are confidently lecturing people about "the reality of the situation" and yet your assessment of reality was completely wrong. Biden did not die and isn't the nominee.
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ok, fine, I forgot to add “or in a move unseen in American politics before, one of the candidates will step down”, but that is not the same as being unable to see Biden was incapable of winning let alone governing. I thought that then, I thought that when I voted undecided in the primary, and I thought that last Sunday morning. But whatever, you got me, I was wrong in my assessment.

So let’s learn from that success and apply it to Gaza. What drove that was strong and constant political pressure on Biden, reaching a crescendo at the debate and culminating in all the elites turning against him. This week was a chance to shift the narrative on Gaza, and instead of leveraging the Dems skipping the speech and the protests in the rotunda, the talking points are violence and vandalism. How is that going to move things?
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
I thought it was a facile question. Boiling down the issue to 'flag burning and vandalism' leads the answer in one direction.

A recent Harvard CAPS/Harris poll found that 25% of Democratic and 20% of Independent respondents favor Hamas over Israel. One might also wonder how a campaign can win by treating this 20-25% as "abhorrent".
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One might also wonder how a campaign can win by ignoring something that an even greater percentage likely considers abhorrent.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Boiling down the issue to 'flag burning and vandalism' leads the answer in one direction.
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Well, there’s a campaign on, you know? Would you expect the possible GOP attack ads to be nuanced?
Iker Quesadillas said:
A recent Harvard CAPS/Harris poll found that 25% of Democratic and 20% of Independent respondents favor Hamas over Israel. One might also wonder how a campaign can win by treating this 20-25% as "abhorrent".
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Because it leaves 75-80% of each that don’t…
 
Carolina Red said:
I’m sorry, but you’re the 2nd person to suggest that today and I can’t bring myself to believe that yall are being serious.
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My second line is full of stuff that she did ignore. With no disbelief on your part.
It's her choice what to talk about. Both strategically (do I want to focus on an issue that could divide my base?) and more broadly (do I want to signal a change in emphasis?), and for me the signals from her choice of what to make a statement about, and the statement itself, are clear.
 
berbatrick said:
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She clearly got a bump after announcing. Expecting a couple of more smaller ones when Obama endorses and then when she names her VP. And likely a third after the convention. I think the Dems are doing the smart thing by spacing all of these out a bit so Trump's negative attacks are constantly met with positive news.
 
Carolina Red said:
Within the context of the election, which this thread is about, I’m still waiting to hear how a candidate can campaign to win the presidency while also supporting flag burning, vandalism, and attacking police.
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This goes to my original point of complete moral bankruptcy.

You can become president by supporting genocide.

You can't become president if you don't speak out against flag burning.

I'm sure you realize how fecked up it is.
 
WI_Red said:
It’s not a fecking coping mechanism, it’s reality. You want the US government to stop enabling genocide? Stop giving their leaders excuses to avoid doing so, it’s not that difficult a concept.

As to you second paragraph? Absolutely I would say to their face that peaceful actions were the only path forward, except they were already peacefully protesting in the rotunda, a fact that was barely covered because some dumbfecks were doing stupid shit. And where do you get off saying that I have intimated that the president “had no choice but to commit genocide”? He had every choice and made the worst possible choice.

And finally, no desperation on my part, just pointing out how no country, especially the former colonial ones, are innocent. Where do you think America learned its genocidal lessons from?
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Your first paragraph is just the guy turning into a nazi meme. Poor politicians, they really wanted to stop genocide, but because a handful of protesters burned a flag and painted a hamas graffiti, they have no choice but to continue to bomb children. Makes zero sense and you know it.

You said it indirectly. You said they shouldn't support genocide but they have to appease israel to win elections. I mean, these are literally contradictory positions.

Portugal's past is irrelevant here, because I am not defending it. So bringing it up was just a poor attempt at a cheap shot.
 
It's amazing the number of people less animated by the destruction of Gaza than by unproductive protest methods.
 
maniak said:
Your first paragraph is just the guy turning into a nazi meme. Poor politicians, they really wanted to stop genocide, but because a handful of protesters burned a flag and painted a hamas graffiti, they have no choice but to continue to bomb children. Makes zero sense and you know it.

You said it indirectly. You said they shouldn't support genocide but they have to appease israel to win elections. I mean, these are literally contradictory positions.

Portugal's past is irrelevant here, because I am not defending it. So bringing it up was just a poor attempt at a cheap shot.
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Nazi reference? Nice. Godwin remains undefeated.

Your first paragraph is in no way an encapsulation of my point and you know it. Biden is the only one who can change the US course at this moment and the way to push Biden is to build a coalition of Dem politicians and leaders to put pressure on him. The speech was the first time a large block of them offered some semblance of a spine. Those same politicians are mostly cowards and will bail the first time they feel their reelection is jeopardy. They are cowards, that is who and what they are.
 
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maniak said:
This goes to my original point of complete moral bankruptcy.

You can become president by supporting genocide.

You can't become president if you don't speak out against flag burning.

I'm sure you realize how fecked up it is.
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Yes I do, but the reality is what it is. Supporting or ignoring flag burning and vandalism isn’t a vote winning strategy.
 
I am not much into American Politics but reading a few things ...Is this Trump's election to lose? Harris has got any chance?
 
ColvaleGoa said:
I am not much into American Politics but reading a few things ...Is this Trump's election to lose? Harris has got any chance?
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Starting to look like a toss-up. Trump still has a slight edge in the polls but it’s tightening and Harris is on the up so yes, she has a definite chance. Very difficult to predict where it’s heading right now.
 
Raoul said:
Harris statement after meeting with Bibi. Pretty much a continuation of the Biden policy.

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She did says she's concerned with suffering but it doesnt go along with US funding Israel and arming them to the hilt.

Not to mention clapping to Netanyahu lies in the Congress which was appaling to see.
 
Real Name said:
She did says she's concerned with suffering but it doesnt go along with US funding Israel and arming them to the hilt.

Not to mention clapping to Netanyahu lies in the Congress which was appaling to see.
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Yeah kinda both siding it a bit. She and Biden will need to produce a ceasefire to guarantee they get Michigan.
 
roseguy64 said:
The Muslim community is prevalent there i.e Rashida Tlaib.
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It's about 1% - 2% of the population.

The Muslim population in Michighan is concentrated in the Greater Detroit area - Dearborn, Sterling heights, Detroit etc. - overall it's not that significant. However, the margins can be small so the Dems need as many traditional democratic votes as they can.
 
Mike Smalling said:
I still don’t get what the origin is, because it’s definitely not in his book right? Some internet dweeb just made it up?
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I don't know what to believe and haven't bothered to verify yet. Saw some screenshot on Twitter of the specific page where Vance describes the couch thing but could have been fake.
 
Ok, I checked it. It is false, there is no page in Vance' book where he describes an erotic scene with a couch. Some shitpost went viral and then it took a life of its own.

And the AP "fact checking" a meme shitpost didn't do Vance favors either.
 
Looks more and more like Vance was picked solely for that tech-bro donor cash.
 
Morty_ said:
Looks more and more like Vance was picked solely for that tech-bro donor cash.
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I think it was a calculation feckup. Trump’s campaign thought that Biden will be the nominee, and polls were putting Trump win against Biden in a landslide. Thus they picked the person with views closest to Trump, who also would bring some massive donor cash from the PayPal mafia.

With Dems changing the nominee, the election now looks far closer (albeit Trump being still favorite), and thus a VP that appeals to other parts of population might have been a better choice when it comes to elections.
 
Revan said:
I think it was a calculation feckup. Trump’s campaign thought that Biden will be the nominee, and polls were putting Trump win against Biden in a landslide. Thus they picked the person with views closest to Trump, who also would bring some massive donor cash from the PayPal mafia.

With Dems changing the nominee, the election now looks far closer (albeit Trump being still favorite), and thus a VP that appeals to other parts of population might have been a better choice when it comes to elections.
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That's a massive feck up if true, I think everyone except Biden knew he would have to stand down at some point, the pressure was just too great and growing daily.
 
Revan said:
I think it was a calculation feckup. Trump’s campaign thought that Biden will be the nominee, and polls were putting Trump win against Biden in a landslide. Thus they picked the person with views closest to Trump, who also would bring some massive donor cash from the PayPal mafia.

With Dems changing the nominee, the election now looks far closer (albeit Trump being still favorite), and thus a VP that appeals to other parts of population might have been a better choice when it comes to elections.
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Heard something about his kids convinced Trump Sr to pick Vance over other candidates, including Doug Burgum, could have something to do with them wanting a less establishment-candidate and more Trump-like, yes.

But then, does Vance have any real beliefs? He has changed his beliefs a lot over just recent years, sounds more like opportunism to me.
 
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