2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

Beans said:
Yeah, I was speaking more poetically. By “politician I admire” I mean one who is ethical and will do what’s best for the country. The exact opposite of a reality tv personality, which is what the other side is running.

I’m not sure why the word “admiration” makes you think of reality TV politics, but I don’t watch reality TV so many they use that term a lot?
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But if you say "Just so depressing that neither party can put a human you’d admire up for the presidency" and "By politician I admire I mean one who is ethical and will do what’s best for the country", you seem to imply that Harris is not someone who's ethical and will do what's best for the country, at least in your opinion.

I found it fascinating because it's the whole "both sides are the same" or "all politicians are corrupt" view that greatly benefits actually corrupt politicians while hurting those who you may disagree with or find mind numbingly boring, but are trying to do their best for the country.
 
RedSky said:
From a British pov, surely Harris over Biden is a positive step? They've gone from no chance of winning and being humiliated to a wildcard that can easily press Trumps buttons.

He won't take well to a black woman debating him and he's going to struggle to insult her otherwise the racist card will be played. She might not be favourable now, but one good debate can change public opinion and she's got wealthy backers. I think she'll have his number personally.
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Depends. Not if you're Farage.
 
Revan said:
When did that happen? I haven't followed her political career before senate, but in the senate she started and ended like a centrist, maybe even center-right Democrat. Basically a Manchin clone.

But unlike Manchin, I do not think that she was that genuine in those views, and neither needed to be as 'non-progressive'. She was from a state that was not deep red, in fact, a state that was becoming more blue than red.
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I read a couple of pieces back in the day when Sinema when independent so only recall that notion that she changed. She was coming form the greens and as switching to democrats he had some anticapitalism and anti inequality sentences. Also anti Iraq war. She had an image a bit as a socialist. Sure you can dig some articles that goes more in depth
 
4bars said:
I read a couple of pieces back in the day when Sinema when independent so only recall that notion that she changed. She was coming form the greens and as switching to democrats he had some anticapitalism and anti inequality sentences. Also anti Iraq war. She had an image a bit as a socialist. Sure you can dig some articles that goes more in depth
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Yes, that was a long time ago. She was fairly centrist-independent by the mid 2010s and has remained so since, eventually leaving the Dem party because they wouldn't tolerate her independent streak of doing whatever she wanted.
 
Raoul said:
Yes, that was the entire purpose of Republicans pushing for it, to give them unfettered access to corporate money because they knew they would go broke if they had to rely on ordinary citizens to help fund their campaigns. This is why Suedesi's above anti-Soros post (a known right wing trope) is do disingenuous.
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Something tells me that @Suedesi has nothing to say in regards to the fact that the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, just decided to endorse Trump and also to give huge amounts of money to him, nor the fact that Trump's VP pick is Peter Thiel's puppet.
 
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Morty_ said:
Something tells me that @Suedesi has nothing to say in regards to the fact that the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, just decided to endorse Trump and decide huge amounts of money to him, nor the fact that Trump's VP pick is Peter Thiel's puppet.
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"Fine people, on both sides"! :cool:
 
Red in STL said:
Bernie 1) was never getting elected, a large % of Americans think he's a communist 2) he's not a Democrat, he's an independent so the DNC have no control ovr hime
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About Bernie and the Democrats: he's running unopposed as a Democrat in the state primary so at this point we can safely call him a Democrat.
 
Morty_ said:
Something tells me that @Suedesi has nothing to say in regards to the fact that the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, just decided to endorse Trump and also to give huge amounts of money to him, nor the fact that Trump's VP pick is Peter Thiel's puppet.
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Of course, it’s only bad when it’s Soros. I wonder what it is that’s so bad about him to the far right?
 
The demonization of the Soros family is quite weird. Are they even the biggest donors of Democrats?

But then Dems talked so much for Koch family, despite that there were many others who were putting even more (Mercer and Adelston for example, when it came to Trump 2016). Or now Mellon or Griffin who do not get half the attention of Koch's family.
 
Revan said:
The demonization of the Soros family is quite weird. Are they even the biggest donors of Democrats?

But then Dems talked so much for Koch family, despite that there were many others who were putting even more (Mercer and Adelston for example, when it came to Trump 2016). Or now Mellon or Griffin who do not get half the attention of Koch's family.
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Koch aren’t demonised for their donations to the Republican Party.
 
Morty_ said:
Won't be her then, maybe Beshear, he at least had a strong endorsement, and left himself semi-open to the possibility.

Wouldn't be a bad choice.
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Kentucky has a Republican Lt Governor, so if Bashear went VP, the Dems would lose a Governors seat. Kelly or Shapiro on the other hand, would work out nicely. No matter what Vance thinks he's accomplished by way of having a book and a movie about his life, he sure as feck hasn't been in outer space.
 
Pexbo said:
Koch aren’t demonised for their donations to the Republican Party.
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The entire idea is that they give money, thus influence policy. Which is the case for all massive donors. I don't understand why Soros and Koch get so much attention, where there are others who give even more money, thus influence even more policy. Lots would say that Trump does not become president without Mercer's backing for example, and he definitely influenced his policy, including choosing his original staff.
 
Raoul said:
Kentucky has a Republican Lt Governor, so if Bashear went VP, the Dems would lose a Governors seat. Kelly or Shapiro on the other hand, would work out nicely. No matter what Vance thinks he's accomplished by way of having a book and a movie about his life, he sure as feck hasn't been in outer space.
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Not sure Kelly is a good choice as Arizona has "resign to run" laws. He would have to resign his Senate seat, and while Hobbs could appoint another Dem, I wonder if that would put his seat in play this cycle as a special election.
 
WI_Red said:
Not sure Kelly is a good choice as Arizona has "resign to run" laws. He would have to resign his Senate seat, and while Hobbs could appoint another Dem, I wonder if that would put his seat in play this cycle as a special election.
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If true, that would be a problem, but then again it depends how much she wants a particular VP candidate to join her. From what I've seen she has long standing relationships with Kelly and Cooper.
 
Raoul said:
Kentucky has a Republican Lt Governor, so if Bashear went VP, the Dems would lose a Governors seat. Kelly or Shapiro on the other hand, would work out nicely. No matter what Vance thinks he's accomplished by way of having a book and a movie about his life, he sure as feck hasn't been in outer space.
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Shapiro would be ideal, though for Kelly, is the usual arguement as usual, senator from a swing-state, and dems needs every senate seat they can get, as they are at an inherent disadvantage there.

Sure, its a few years down the line, but it could come back to bite, Arizona is not quite blue yet.

As far as Kentucky goes, Beshear is the only one who can win there, he can only stall the worst of that state for a couple more years anyway.
 
Raoul said:
Kentucky has a Republican Lt Governor, so if Bashear went VP, the Dems would lose a Governors seat. Kelly or Shapiro on the other hand, would work out nicely. No matter what Vance thinks he's accomplished by way of having a book and a movie about his life, he sure as feck hasn't been in outer space.
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No, she is a Democrat.
 
VorZakone said:
Would agree with this sentiment. Fortunately, she does seem to poll better than Trump? Maybe I recall incorrectly and we'll have to see more in the next months of course.
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We probably have to see how things shake out now that she's going to be the nominee. She certainly will perform better than Biden, that's for sure. But her debate performances have been unimpressive at best so I am more worried about any lift there than I would it was Newsom who is a far better speaker.
 
Morty_ said:
Shapiro would be ideal, though for Kelly, is the usual arguement as usual, senator from a swing-state, and dems needs every senate seat they can get, as they are at an inherent disadvantage there.

Sure, its a few years down the line, but it could come back to bite, Arizona is not quite blue yet.

As far as Kentucky goes, Beshear is the only one who can win there, he can only stall the worst of that state for a couple more years anyway.
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The trouble with Bashear is he isn't very well spoken. There's a clear gulf between him and someone like Shapiro.
 
Suedesi said:
Speaking of conspiracy theories, Biden didn’t even bother with a televised, statesmanlike announcement for his campaign withdrawal. Instead, he tweeted it with a digitally generated signature on Elon’s X. How classy! This wasn’t just an insult to the American public—it’s the latest act in the coup happening right under our noses while we’re being told that democracy is on the line.


"Guys, I'm dropping out of the race. I talk to you about it sometime next week"

President of the United States


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Red in STL said:
Bernie 1) was never getting elected, a large % of Americans think he's a communist 2) he's not a Democrat, he's an independent so the DNC have no control ovr hime
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That's what absolutely baffles me.

He would be, at best, center-left in Europe or any normal country.
 
Raoul said:
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Do you think that it's because she doesn't want any part of a losing battle which would damage her chances in 2028?

A Whitmer-Newsom (or vice-versa) would be powerful ticket for the next presidential elections.
 
That_Bloke said:
Do you think that it's because she doesn't want any part of a losing battle which would damage her chances in 2028?

A Whitmer-Newsom (or vice-versa) would be powerful ticket for the next presidential elections.
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I think part of it is she's a woman and knows Harris will be under immense pressure to select a white male given her own race/gender background. There is also some degree of wanting to preserve her gunpowder for 2028. Same thing applies to Newsom as well.
 
Raoul said:
I think part of it is she's a woman and knows Harris will be under immense pressure to select a white male given her own race/gender background. There is also some degree of wanting to preserve her gunpowder for 2028. Same thing applies to Newsom as well.
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Forgot about that. Shame that it still plays a major role.

Thanks for the fast reply.
 
Raoul said:
I think part of it is she's a woman and knows Harris will be under immense pressure to select a white male given her own race/gender background. There is also some degree of wanting to preserve her gunpowder for 2028. Same thing applies to Newsom as well.
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That makes sense. However, there's an element of gamble though, right? If Harris wins then she's obviously the candidate in 28 and Newsom/Whitmer are screwed until at least 32. By then they might not be viable anymore.
 
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