I...I just can't.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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I think the Dems just got too fixated on the idea that Biden's the only won that can beat Trump, ignoring all other logic and common sense. Still don't really think it's too late to switch given the circumstances of the election, but any new candidate not going through the usual campaign process is a pretty big issue.
Oh well, hopefully there's some semblance of a democracy left in '28.
Oh well, hopefully there's some semblance of a democracy left in '28.
Dems are in no-win scenario here, just have the DNC hand the nomination to someone like Newsom would look terrible, and he is probably a weaker candidate than most people realize now, can't see him doing well in swing States either.
Every move carries a lot of risk, and since he probably isn't stepping down, better invest all in the rustbelt states and hope it is enough.
To who?
I don't think there's a viable candidate that can bring the party together. I'd have preferred is Sherrod Brown had made a more of an effort earlier, but too late now.
Newsom's personal life story will be as distracting as Trump's. No way he's even in the mix here.
Sherrod Brown? That automatically forfeits the senate.
If Brown ran then control of the Senate would be gone as Brown himself is going to have a hard time holding on to his seat this year.
edit: so basically what @Morty_ said
I didn’t watch the debate, and hope that it doesn’t make any difference.
But, Biden was the one who wanted to debate. He didn’t need to. He invited a convicted felon to debate him. I know that that was before the verdict, but at the time Trump was busy with the trial.
Political malpractice by Biden.
The Presidency is more important. And the Senate might be lost any way.
BTW, I’m not sure that replacing Biden is the right thing to do. I’m just saying that losing the senate to win the White House is worth it.
But, Biden was the one who wanted to debate. He didn’t need to. He invited a convicted felon to debate him. I know that that was before the verdict, but at the time Trump was busy with the trial.
Political malpractice by Biden.
So…?
The Presidency is more important. And the Senate might be lost any way.
BTW, I’m not sure that replacing Biden is the right thing to do. I’m just saying that losing the senate to win the White House is worth it.
I'm not really up on who's around right now tbh, but going to the country saying Biden's good for another 4 years seems a suicide pill, so pretty much anything is an improvement on that.
Biden, Trump, Sunak and Starmer.
Not a lot of choice?
Not a lot of choice?
He might not feel the need to, he may well genuinely believe there is nothing wrong. Surely the decision should be made to replace him as it is cruel to let him carry on now.
Yeah. That's why he didn't run. Still, I think he'd have been a good candidate eventually.
Not particularly. 4 years of even an sick Biden is still preferred to Trump, so pretty much all Dems would vote for him even if they rolled him out on a stretcher.
I just don't see this debate making any significant impact to the polls.
When you put it like that, Starmer suddenly seems like a fantastic candidate.
They won't.
Normally I'd completely agree, but I feel like this is one of those few times when it might actually matter a lot, simply due to everything surrounding it.
Weekend at Biden's
The easiest thing to do for the DNC is to stick with Biden and hope for the best. It requires the least courage, and the least amount of action. So that's inevitably what they will do.
Yeah, this isn't "bad debate" in Obama 2012 terms, it's more like a distillation of the concept.
Biden wanted a black woman as VP and she had some name recognition from having roasted Kavanaugh on senate hearings. I actually think that she was the initial favorite to win the Dem election until Tulsi killed her chances on stage.
I want to say that another candidate wouldn't be able to legally use the campaign funds donated to another candidate. I think i heard such a few weeks ago. Trying to confirm that. Could be wrong though.
fecking hell America. It's not really anything new or unexpected. His age and mental coherence has been under scrutiny for couple of years now.
Every incumbent back to Carter (with the exception of W) did poorly in the first debate. We shall see with Biden.
I think Whitmer is the obvious choice. Will give Michigan to Dems for sure, and would have a good chance on giving them Pennsylvania and Wisconsin which should be enough to win the election.
I think a ticket of Whitmer-Newson has the best chance of winning the election, but at this stage it might be a bit too late.
The only other alternative is Taylor Swift. I am only half serious.
Attention span of voters isn't typically that long anyway, hope they forget about this come October, which they might.
Yeah I might have to after that shambles!
As someone said earlier, incredible how these two are America’s two choices for President.
It’s cartoon like, almost.
It’s cartoon like, almost.
Everyone already knew Biden was old and slow, but I don't think you can deny that it was far worse than most people expected. The reaction to it is enough proof of that. And that's why it's going to matter. It'll amplify an already existing perception.
That was worse than just "poor", to be fair.
Newsom already has stated (& unequivocally answered direct questions) that he wouldn't be on the ticket this election cycle.
Also don't think he would run as a VP candidate.
Didn't watch the debate, but that's what I am gleaning now.
They need someone like Michelle Obama to get things going.
Not even the slightest chance of that happening.
They Dems need someone who doesn't look like they're about to keel over and die. That would be a start.
Not for this cycle anyway.
Indeed. The most powerful nation on earth, with the biggest economy and the best universities, has produced these two, really?
Or any cycle. Michelle Obama will never run for president. Ever.
Never and Ever or two words, I'd never ever use in politics.
I'm far from an expert on what may or may not move a poll, but the guy can barely string a sentence together. He looks befuddled and like a man who was found wandering alongside the dual carriageway in his dressing gown having gone missing from the nursing home.