She is struggling to reconcile her flip flops. Beyond that, she seems to be holding her own.
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She is struggling to reconcile her flip flops. Beyond that, she seems to be holding her own.
We know that a Democratic Primary is a different game, especially when running against Bernie and Warren. But those positions are going to come back again and again. She has not explained the reason for the change.
She really could be using the changes on policy to her advantage. But she has made it worse. She said her values have not changed, her yet policy has which gives mixed messages. Dana even gave her the layup - "was it your experience, was it you running in a Dem primary?".
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So what's this theory? That being a homeowner makes one associate with the "capitalist" class rather then the "worker" class?
Her policy is basically a carbon copy of Biden's. Fracking, economics, israel - there's very little divergence, which is a problem if she's planning on running as an outsider. She has to either own the Biden agenda or distance herself from it.
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I'm referring back to her primary performance, the more we saw if her the less likeable she seemed. They need to limit her exposure like they've been doing so far.
I gotta say, I find the hand ringing about flip flopping, likability, and policy to be positively quaint considering her opponent has promised to be a dictator on day one, is running on a platform of grievance and hate, and whose published transition plan calls for the roll back of some of the most of our basic rights.
The Biden agenda is a good one though. But he, and now she, have been shafted because of post COVID inflation and the fact that one prices have risen, they rarely go back down.
She needs to explain why we had inflation. Put it at Trump's door. Say it was because he printed money, added $8tril to the national debt because he gave tax cuts to billionaires and corporations (and they he will do it again, which is confirmed by Penn Wharton School's study, which happens to be where Trump attended). Say its because he botched COVID and didn't get the county prepared for a pandemic or back on its feet quick enough. Say its because he wanted to cut checks with his signature on them, pre the election, to curry favour with electors, despite economists saying it would lead to further inflation.
If i can think of these things, which are by no means exhaustive, why can't she and her team?
As a prosecutor, she is far better asking the questions than answering them. Im worried that she doesn't have a grip on policy. She doesn't have good answers to the obvious questions that would be thrown at her.
Now, i know Trump doesn't either. Clearly. But he is judged on a different scale.
When people become homeowners their interests are linked to finance capital. They favour increasing the price of their property over keeping workers rights and a welfare state.
This hits even harder when homeowners retire to the suburbs as they become isolated and cut off from working life.
She could do that, but then there is just one small problem, she wants to spend a bunch of money on her own projects too, better projects than whatever Trump was doing, sure, but still money out.
Regarding inflation, it won’t work against Trump since he will simply say inflation was very low during his time, and the common voter will agree in terms of food, gas, and housing.
Someone in Trump team probably has realised the very right wing online brained campaign isn’t working with most normal voters.
The strangest thing I’ve seen is polling showing the most popular version of Trump is when voters seem him as a centrist/stability candidate.
No change on the pro genocide policy
People are deluded if they think she will take a straight u turn on the sitting presidents position when they are in the same party.
First the Dems are suing to keep Cornell West off the ballot. Now this….
If Kamala was unlikable, how would describe Trump?
Well she didn't massively fail, but nor did she massively impress. I guess that'll have to be good enough for now.
Can anyone imagine Trump sitting down- at this stage - with Dana Bash? He's going to just keep hiding behind rally speeches and occasional call ins to Fox and Friends til November, all the while going after Harris for not doing more interviews
Can anyone imagine Trump sitting down- at this stage - with Dana Bash? He's going to just keep hiding behind rally speeches and occasional call ins to Fox and Friends til November, all the while going after Harris for not doing more interviews
Oh and Dana Bash is a scumbag, so a great choice for their first interview.
And what should we do about this conundrum?
Trump did a CNN town hall with Kaitlan Collins last year. He probably wouldn’t sit down with Dana Bash though.
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Compared to this unlikable pretty much sounds like likable to me.
There’s really nothing we can currently do. This group makes up a large voting block which votes more than others and their votes tend to be in important places needed to win elections.
The 2008 crash killed this as a long term political model. Turns out the problem with neoliberal is you eventually run out of things to privatise. The boomers will die and new type of politics will emerge.
Sure, I get that and I'm not a fan myself of "housing is an investment asset" ideology instead of you know, a roof above your head.
But do you think home ownership is fundamentally bad in itself? Or do you just have a specific issue with people owning multiple properties?
Overall people owning multiple properties would is a bigger problem as landlords become their own class and aren’t productive and instead they are interested in rent seeking. Although of course there are good and bad individual landlords).
Ideally social housing should be by far the most dominant form of housing. And really people living closely together.
A big reason why American politics is so god awful is the giant parts of country seem to be designed to cause alienation. Everything from housing, poor public transport, giant motorway and the need for cars.
Surely something as essential as housing should be treated as a key part of infrastructure (IE: be nationalised).
I hope that at least some level, they realise that every single piece of music they use is by someone who hates them.
Just another example to add to that list.
Really hope Jack White does actually file lawsuits.
I don't get the bolded. Should people be renters instead? Can part of social housing be bought?
The Dutch live in dense cities and have a substantial amount of home owners. Can this work for you?
This homeowner in the US wants to keep his property taxes low, no thank you.
I’m in favour of disconnecting property tax rates from market value, so that working class people aren’t forced to sell when property values rise a lot. This is bad for the economy, the environment and kills neighborhoods.
I know its not something you can say as a presidential candidate, but it would be great if a presidential candidate took a swipe at the electoral college at some point, "my values have not changed" is just a polite way of saying "we have a flawed election system that grants undue importance to some states over others."
Thinking about Harris position on fracking, she is likely still against it, but can't do that politically, because Pennsylvania.
Thinking about Harris position on fracking, she is likely still against it, but can't do that politically, because Pennsylvania.
The swing states are the ones benefitting most from the EC. So it's not happening in the foreseeable.
I'm skeptical of this hypothesis for multiple reasons. First, it doesn't match anyone I know in real life. Second, statistically I don't think it really bears out as homeowners are usually close to evenly split in Rep and Dem voters with Reps getting a slight edge.
But more important I just think it's flawed to try to cram people living in the 21st century digital economy into two classes from industrial society hundreds of years ago. It's a false dichotomy that there are only two classes. I think voting behavior fits far more into Lakoffs model of cognitive frames and how people identify morally than it does with trying to reduce everything to worker vs capitalist which frankly is a bit outdated as a model.
In addition to Biden increasing the public debt even more than Trump did (also printing more money than Trump). So that answer would quickly backfire.
Not quite. They'll always have Lee Greenwood.
I hope that at least some level, they realise that every single piece of music they use is by someone who hates them.
Just another example to add to that list.
Really hope Jack White does actually file lawsuits.
She is her own candidate now, but it doesn't help that the senate was 50/50 in the first two years of the admin either, i think she actually broke the record on breaking ties, and certainly some of those ties had to do with spending(IRA etc).
I'm not saying it was wrong of her to do that, but she definitely had a role in that increased spending, more so, than most other VPs, so probably best to avoid the subject, unless Trump brings it up, then she can go on the offense and call him out for his own bad record on the subject.
Homeownership is not a partisan issue. Both parties appeal to them. Kamala just announced a big incentive for new homeowners. Mortgage rates are underwritten by the federal government as a bipartisan policy so unquestioned it's barely even acknowledged.
What i'd expect to see is differential interest and turnout in the American political process from owners vs renters, and that is absolutely true. Because this is a government of and for property owners.
In the UK on the other hand, where class politics is (or was) more openly acknowledged, and even as professional classes (what they call C1) move left and independent blue collar workers (C2: plumbers, builders, etc) move right, there is a massive Labour-Tory divide when looking at renters vs owners.
Here's a Vox piece on Harris' housing plan.
https://www.vox.com/policy/369525/kamala-harris-housing-plan-corporate-landlords-homeownership