That makes a lot of sense. The overall inflation of rents and house prices is a separate problem that needs to be addressed by increasing inventory.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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If this is the heir to MAGA, GOP are in trouble once Trump is gone.
MAGA-candidates just don't perform well, its specific to Trump, his cult of personality doesn't really translate to anyone else, but non-MAGA candidates might not be able to win the primaries either anymore.
Most MAGAs aren’t that into Vance, their new flavour of the moment is Youngkin, for winning in a blue state.
MAGA isn't really into anyone not Trump, if swing-state results in 2022 is anything to go by.
Youngkin seems a bit tame, too nice, to drive out the cult though, his base is probably somewhat different.
Jesus Christ, some of you truly live in a movie.
I'm not sure I understand this IVF promise as firstly, aren't Republicans against big government interference? And aren't they against Government handouts? Also, isn't this what they would call Communism?
The other thing I don't get is I have seen numerous interviews, documentaries, and read a few articles where a lot of Evangelical Christians want IVF banned along with abortion and morning after pills. One I saw was a few years ago during the Trump Presidency where you had a room full of women who couldn't have kids due to various health reasons, some suffered abuse and rape and some had had multiple miscarriages. An Evangelical lady was in the audience too and she stood up and said some of the most vile, ignorant and just plain offensive things I've heard. She was absolutely shameless in her views and showed absolutely no empathy to those she was clearly upsetting deeply or any remorse either.
She basically said it was all gods plan and these women were meant to be childless because God didn't want them to have kids. IVF was akin to cloning and the work of the Devil and abortion is evil too. I'd heard all the views about abortion before but never about IVF and certainly not as extreme. Obviously not all Evangelicals think like this but it's far more common than I realised. Tough shit, you can't have kids and because we denounce science, we want to stop you having them too because it's all part of God's plan.
But they don't want government to get involved in their lives and the Dems are the party of cancel culture? Everything about them is so hypocritical.
So back to my main point, is this IVF claim (that won't happen anyway) not the political flex Trump thinks it is? And could it quite possibly actually cost him more voters.tnan he thinks he will gain? One thing I know is its.jusy something he's thought of in his head and yet again it shows how little he truly understands many of those he wants to reach.
The other thing I don't get is I have seen numerous interviews, documentaries, and read a few articles where a lot of Evangelical Christians want IVF banned along with abortion and morning after pills. One I saw was a few years ago during the Trump Presidency where you had a room full of women who couldn't have kids due to various health reasons, some suffered abuse and rape and some had had multiple miscarriages. An Evangelical lady was in the audience too and she stood up and said some of the most vile, ignorant and just plain offensive things I've heard. She was absolutely shameless in her views and showed absolutely no empathy to those she was clearly upsetting deeply or any remorse either.
She basically said it was all gods plan and these women were meant to be childless because God didn't want them to have kids. IVF was akin to cloning and the work of the Devil and abortion is evil too. I'd heard all the views about abortion before but never about IVF and certainly not as extreme. Obviously not all Evangelicals think like this but it's far more common than I realised. Tough shit, you can't have kids and because we denounce science, we want to stop you having them too because it's all part of God's plan.
But they don't want government to get involved in their lives and the Dems are the party of cancel culture? Everything about them is so hypocritical.
So back to my main point, is this IVF claim (that won't happen anyway) not the political flex Trump thinks it is? And could it quite possibly actually cost him more voters.tnan he thinks he will gain? One thing I know is its.jusy something he's thought of in his head and yet again it shows how little he truly understands many of those he wants to reach.
Exactly right. I always tell people that Conservatives are a walking and living contradiction.
They didn't want to get the C19 vaccine (and nobody forced them either) due to the "my body my rights" argument, yet they want government to interfere and ban abortions. And so on and so on.
Yup, banning books and demanding what should and should not be taugjt in schools and colleges. Banning certain flags. Against gun control. Want the death penalty but are pro life regarding abortion.
Bitch about government handouts or any kind of scheme to help the middle class or poor yet complain when they don't get the help they need from the Government.
Want to be the world Police yet Ukraine and Palestine are none of their business.
As you said, and so on and so on...
Trump will say anything that might attract voters. He also promised infrastructure projects and lower drug prices. Biden delivered those.
Aunt Kamala is taking us to the Zone of Interest.
Aunt Kamala?
Since you are not American I am going to assume you may not be aware of the racist connotation of that.
That must be an American thing because I've yet to see where Aunt or Auntie has a racist connotation.
Youngkin is your average run of the mill, chamber of commerce style Republican who has successfully navigated in and around Trump to get into power and generally do well by ordinary Republican standards. He’s far closer to the likes of Bush than anything resembling Trumpism. If Trump loses, I suspect Youngkin, DeSantis, and Haley will be the leading contenders for 2028.
It wasn’t intended as such. Also, since this thread is largely populated by Europeans, you can’t expect everyone to be well versed in the history of Aunt Jemima and other early 20th century mammy caricatures.
Agreed, which is why I added the caveat.
Yeah, Youngkin isn't really alligned with MAGA, fairly standard, in many ways.
If Trump loses, he might just take the nomination again in 2028, otherwise, agree on Youngkin and Haley, DeSantis has no charisma, reckon he will flop again.
Is Aunt Jemima like Uncle Tom?
It's not a UK thing, at least in my experience.
It's not a UK thing, at least in my experience.
It was a brand of (I am not kidding) maple syrup for pancakes. As @Raoul mentioned above it was a play on the "Mammy" archetype and despite a couple of rebranding attempts there was never much derivation from that. From Wiki:
There was also a brand of rice called "Uncle Ben's Rice" where the logo was essentially Stephen from Django Unchained. It was rebranded at some point to remove the "Uncle"
Ah, blimey, thank you. We have (or had) Uncle Ben's but never seen the other one.It was a brand of (I am not kidding) maple syrup for pancakes. As @Raoul mentioned above it was a play on the "Mammy" archetype and despite a couple of rebranding attempts there was never much derivation from that. From Wiki:
There was also a brand of rice called "Uncle Ben's Rice" where the logo was essentially Stephen from Django Unchained. It was rebranded at some point to remove the "Uncle"
So first JD Vance is buying donuts and now Kamala is buying pie.
American politics
American politics
So first JD Vance is buying donuts and now Kamala is buying pie.
American politics
These things are pretty normal in American campaigns - politicians going (to usually breakfast diners) to eat and mingle with patrons, then upload videos of it all to promote the impression that they are ordinary relatable people.
So first JD Vance is buying donuts and now Kamala is buying pie.
American politics
You may laugh, but these things can turn into the biggest scandals ever, well, according to Fox "News" anyway.
So first JD Vance is buying donuts and now Kamala is buying pie.
American politics
Wait until they have to order a Philly cheesesteak.
The funniest scenario in the senate, would be independent candidate Dan Osborn winning in Nebraska determing control of it.
Is it likely? Not at all, but if you just ignore the one blow-out poll, its almost a dead tie, if we also ignore that those other polls are also sponsored by Dan Osborn campaign, and then...just believe it will happen, and it will all work out, okay?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/nebraska/
Edit : Did i just write this, moments before a new Nebraska poll was relesead, what in the world?
Is it likely? Not at all, but if you just ignore the one blow-out poll, its almost a dead tie, if we also ignore that those other polls are also sponsored by Dan Osborn campaign, and then...just believe it will happen, and it will all work out, okay?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/nebraska/
Edit : Did i just write this, moments before a new Nebraska poll was relesead, what in the world?
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Wasn't there a whole thing because Ed Milliband ate a sandwich ?
Who Osborn caucuses with will be the most important bit. He's so far spurned both parties, but if he wins and decides to remain independent in terms of which side he caucuses with in the Senate, it would help the Dems retain control of the Senate since he would subtract one from what was supposed to be a safe Republican seat. That could potentially mitigate the loss of Tester's seat and help the Dems remain in control.
Huh? I'm speaking on her relatability as a person re: this clip.
Won't catch me stanning a politician. I don't vibe with some of her policy positions.
It's nice but doesn't come close to Grandpappy George handing out sweets to Shelly and Barry.
What a cute old man!
Free IVF is complete desperation. It is just as likely as Mexico paying for the wall was as a promise. Along with his flip flopping on how he would vote on the Florida abortion measure Trump is just floundering trying to find some patch on Abortion. He himself made that patch mess. He claims he got rid of Roe all over the place. And it was his appointed Supreme Court Judges of course that did it.
The problem is abortion has remained a powerful issue among voters. It hasn't "gone away". GOP has scrambled on their messaging in every way. Then you add on the messy childless cat lady comments from JD Vance, his disdain for single women etc. It's just a complete hail Mary to promise free IVF.
Not only is trump looking worse and worse and sounding more incoherent. This is where he is now? Its the same as promising "great healthcare" for all those years and never ever revealing any type of plan or idea other than repealing Obamacare. His voters don't punish him for outrageous claims.
The problem is abortion has remained a powerful issue among voters. It hasn't "gone away". GOP has scrambled on their messaging in every way. Then you add on the messy childless cat lady comments from JD Vance, his disdain for single women etc. It's just a complete hail Mary to promise free IVF.
Not only is trump looking worse and worse and sounding more incoherent. This is where he is now? Its the same as promising "great healthcare" for all those years and never ever revealing any type of plan or idea other than repealing Obamacare. His voters don't punish him for outrageous claims.
I'm not familiar, but speaking of Sean Hannity, it should be a campaign promise of every presidential candidate to have Hannity commit to his pledge of being waterboarded, not a joke.
Yes he ate it weirdly, so the British people decided stripping the public sector bare through austerity was a better option.
Not particularly encouraging interview reviews for Harris
https://bbc.com/news/articles/cgky2v681z4o
I want to see her challenged’ - swing voters unconvinced by Harris interview
https://bbc.com/news/articles/cgky2v681z4o
Sorry, don't take much notice from these "unconvinced voter" interviews after this sham from CNN...
And did you see those ""unconvinced voters" that were on stage with Trump and Tulsi Gabbard a could of nights ago? They were laughing and clapping at every moronic thing that came of Trump's pie hole.
One guy doesn’t negate the opinions of others on other panels and focus groups. The interview itself went ok, but I can see how it could’ve easily been interpreted as underwhelming among people who are legit undecided since there was nothing inspirational or substantive that came out of Harris’ responses.
All very true. Republicans are complete hypocrites. These "Evangelical Christians" especially as they seem to worship a man that has kids with 3 baby mommas, one of which he buried in an overgrown plot on his golf course for a tax break.
If the IFV announcement is a calculation, rather than a thought he had in his mind that came out during an interview, then i suppose he thinks the Evangelical's are in the bag anyway.
What may annoy them more, is that many believe that there should be no reason for abortion. Yet, he is saying that the current Florida abortion ban, which does not allow abortion after six weeks, should be made longer. That option isn't on the ballot. I believe that he may have flip flopped again.
He wants to run away from the abortion issue, but he is stuck with it. The IVF announcement is to show he is "pro family".
Assuming he won't get it done, because of all the reasons you pointed out, then is is an especially cruel thing to promise, as desperate couples who want a child may be suckered in.
It wasn't just one guy - which I don't believe CNN have acknowledged to apologize for, especially given the Trump campaign used his CNN piece and span it on socials.
It was the stooges on stage with Trump the other night.
And the three guys in the BBC article. I mean "Rohan Vijayan" - obviously of Indian heritage. He starts off by saying "Harris can speak coherently, which I think is just an upgrade from the prior two candidates, both Trump and Biden".
Case closed Rohan. She is coherent, half Indian and you have seen Trump disgrace the nation and the office of the Preseident for 4 years. What do you want to see?
It pissed me off that Kamala, or any other candidate has to perform like they are a demigod. Yet, half the nation as well as these "undecided voters" dont seem to have any concern about the other guy talking about Hannibal Lechter, electric sharks and bird grave yards.
An example. Trump was asked by one of those "undecided stooges" the other night, what his plan was to make life more affordable and bring down inflation. Softball question.
His response....
“Some people don’t eat bacon anymore. We are going to get the energy prices down. This was caused by their horrible energy. Wind. They want wind all over the place. But when it doesn’t blow, we have a little problem."
If Kamala verbatim said these words, she would lose 15 points in the polls, be dropped from the ticket and be take to an asylum.
As much as I think Kamala's interview was lacking in substance, people have to remember to moron on the other side. Especially these apparent undecided voters.