2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris

Raoul said:
Although most don't care about this sort of thing, it only adds to the media narrative of Walz exaggerating or omitting things from his past, which will be a needless annoyance to the Harris campaign.
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There is a clear line of pushback on that. The top of the GOP ticket has more felonies and cases against him that he outright ignores and willfully disregards and can't say **** about anyone else. If I were Waltz and the Harris camp I would only address this as DUI is wrong and no one should ever do it I made that mistake and paid for it decades ago, the end. Pivot right back to trump and his dozens of felony counts and convictions and never ever showing even a hint of contrition in any of them. Not even stealing money from charities.
 
Raoul said:
The base didn’t impose Maga on Trump. Rather he imposed it on them, and they took the bait thinking he was their ticket back into power. Therefore when he goes away, a large part of Maga sentiment goes with him leaving Republicans with little recourse than to vote for whichever conservative picks up the pieces in Trump’s absence. That could be anyone from DeSantis to Haley to Rubio to Youngkin.
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Agree with the first part. Trump created that MAGA base, or at least wormed out the kind of people who were susceptible to joining a racist cult.

Now they have a taste for these kind of politics and a Trump style candidate, they won't settle for a centrist Republican. They have no interest in a Nikki Haley or a Marco Rubio.

How big the "Trump or nothing" base is, it is hard to say. But i bet the GOP have poll tested it and know the are better with Trump that without him.

If he loses again, he will run again in 2028.
 
Hamnat said:
This should have broad appeal to most Americans seeing the direct impact of these practices in their weekly budgets. And now that we are starting to see her independent, as opposed to Biden's, policies and proposals this is where an interview format to further explain would start being helpful after more of these policies have had time to be formulated.
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Agree, very smart policy and something people can actually relate to. Put the blame on inflation on the supermarkets and stores who have not dropped prices post COVID due to price gouging.
She also wants to put into law "one click" unsubscriptions to things like gyms or streaming services.

Meanwhile, Trump wants the biggest deportation of illegal immigrants of all time. I wonder what happens to prices when you have no one working the farms?
 
Hamnat said:
There is a clear line of pushback on that. The top of the GOP ticket has more felonies and cases against him that he outright ignores and willfully disregards and can't say **** about anyone else. If I were Waltz and the Harris camp I would only address this as DUI is wrong and no one should ever do it I made that mistake and paid for it decades ago, the end. Pivot right back to trump and his dozens of felony counts and convictions and never ever showing even a hint of contrition in any of them. Not even stealing money from charities.
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It would be solid pushback if the standard was Trump, but the standard is simply telling the truth and not exaggerating. Two wrongs - however disparate from one another - don't make a right. Walz seems like a good guy and can probably make a few jokes out of it, but if we see yet another thing come up, it will become a problem for him.
 
Raoul said:
It would be solid pushback if the standard was Trump, but the standard is simply telling the truth and not exaggerating. Two wrongs - however disparate from one another - don't make a right. Walz seems like a good guy and can probably make a few jokes out of it, but if we see yet another thing come up, it will become a problem for him.
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You would hope the vetting process however quickly it was done weeded out anything too damaging. Secret unclaimed child, unpaid child support, 3 secret wives and a secret husband in a compound in New Mexico.
 
Raoul said:
It would be solid pushback if the standard was Trump, but the standard is simply telling the truth and not exaggerating. Two wrongs - however disparate from one another - don't make a right. Walz seems like a good guy and can probably make a few jokes out of it, but if we see yet another thing come up, it will become a problem for him.
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I really think this is a road to nowhere. If your bar for candidates on one side is non-existent and the other is clean as a virgin baby, it just sets you up for failure. The playing field isn't level, I think some recognition of that has to be taken into account.
 
Beachryan said:
I really think this is a road to nowhere. If your bar for candidates on one side is non-existent and the other is clean as a virgin baby, it just sets you up for failure. The playing field isn't level, I think some recognition of that has to be taken into account.
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In my view, the two sides can't be compared since MAGA voters have been successfully gaslit into not believing any bad things Trump has previously done. Dem voters on the other hand, will always have a higher moral bar than what is acceptable on the right. That's not to say this news about Walz will be a game changer, but the Harris campaign won't want this to be a pattern in Walz's past.
 
Hamnat said:
This should have broad appeal to most Americans seeing the direct impact of these practices in their weekly budgets. And now that we are starting to see her independent, as opposed to Biden's, policies and proposals this is where an interview format to further explain would start being helpful after more of these policies have had time to be formulated.
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Why just food and groceries? Surely price gouging should cover everything
 

Sales at stores are suddenly surging in the US economy’s latest show of strength​

(“Suddenly”…)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/15/economy/retail-sales-july/index.html

In the 25 years or so that I studied or taught Economics, I don’t recall such a talk about recession that didn’t happen as we had over the past three years. Each time they give it another label: recession, technical recession, manufacturing recession, vibecession, etc. They will keep saying that a recession is coming, until one day, some day, it happens. Then they will say “we told you so…”.

It’s like a team wins 3 games in a row. Then someone says “they will lose the next game”, but they don’t. “They will lose the next”… they don’t… then after many games they do lose, and he says “I told you so…”!
 
Red in STL said:
Why just food and groceries? Surely price gouging should cover everything
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Laws may be for different situations or have specific limitations. Like Texas for example has laws for gouging but it's generally after a disaster specifically. Hurricane, flooding can't gouge on food, fuel, lodging, or medicine. So I am assuming this Harris proposal would be Federal clearly, and all the time not specific circumstances.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
The Consumer Price Index here uses a set of good and services that people typically use. They come from something called the Household Budget Survey which is conducted every 5 years.

Does the US have anything like this? You could start with controlling the prices of the most useful/common items on a list like that.
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That would be considered communism or socialism in the land of the free, yeah that's never happening
 
Sarni said:
A part of me thinks that had Kamala, or anyone else for that matter, been the candidate from the get go, things would not be looking this good for Democrats three months before elections. The momentum shift caused by Biden dropping off is unprecedented and has backed Trump into the corner, all his moves so far (including Musk interview) have failed spectacularly and have only pushed him further behind. And it took almost no action at all from Kamala to cause this, she started off being largely deemed an underwhelming candidate, did virtually nothing and is now being looked at in a much more positive way simply because she hasn't been able to feck things up.

Far from over but things definitely looking good. Realistically even if Kamala wins now, the nutjob will be back in 4 years trying to claim the 'stolen' elections back again.
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Tinfoil hat suggests it was almost planned because it seems to have fallen exactly how you'd want it to.

Laid a nice trap for Trump and his cohort to bang on about being a senile old fart and then have it flipped on them too.

Obviously it was just a case of Biden trying to pretend he's not a fossil but still...
 
Hamnat said:
There is a clear line of pushback on that. The top of the GOP ticket has more felonies and cases against him that he outright ignores and willfully disregards and can't say **** about anyone else. If I were Waltz and the Harris camp I would only address this as DUI is wrong and no one should ever do it I made that mistake and paid for it decades ago, the end. Pivot right back to trump and his dozens of felony counts and convictions and never ever showing even a hint of contrition in any of them. Not even stealing money from charities.
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According to the replies, Walz himself addressed it years ago.

He calls it a life-changing moment and he no longer drinks at all.
 
Sarni said:
A part of me thinks that had Kamala, or anyone else for that matter, been the candidate from the get go, things would not be looking this good for Democrats three months before elections. The momentum shift caused by Biden dropping off is unprecedented and has backed Trump into the corner, all his moves so far (including Musk interview) have failed spectacularly and have only pushed him further behind. And it took almost no action at all from Kamala to cause this, she started off being largely deemed an underwhelming candidate, did virtually nothing and is now being looked at in a much more positive way simply because she hasn't been able to feck things up.

Far from over but things definitely looking good. Realistically even if Kamala wins now, the nutjob will be back in 4 years trying to claim the 'stolen' elections back again.
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She was definitely planning for Biden to drop out given she had the Beyonce song ready to go the instant it happened. I'd love to know how much Harris was involved through backchannels to pressure the likes of Pelosi and others to publicly call for Biden to drop out.
 
gaffs said:
If he loses again, he will run again in 2028.
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You serious? He will be 82 by then. His physical and cognitive decline, which is clearly showing already in 2024, will only be worse.
Actually, it would be the best thing that could happen to Democrat party.
 
Raoul said:
Although most don't care about this sort of thing, it only adds to the media narrative of Walz exaggerating or omitting things from his past, which will be a needless annoyance to the Harris campaign.
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Is it a narrative if it actually happened?
 

Harris campaign says it will participate in 2 presidential debates and 1 VP debate​


The Harris campaign said Thursday it will participate in a total of three debates this election season: two presidential debates and one vice presidential debate.

The campaign in a statement sought to put an end to the Trump campaign’s suggestion of additional debates before Election Day, declaring the “debate about debates is over.”
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No Fox News debate is the right decision. They don't deserve to be treated like they are a legitimate news agency.
 
Pexbo said:
It probably is but they’re also missing a chance to speak to a huge non-liberal audience.
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Most importantly, she will want to avoid getting humiliated on Fox by getting asked more difficult questions. Trump would probably also stack the audience with MAGA trolls who jeer her every comment and applaud his.
 
"Thieves going into stores with calculators in California because you're allowed to rob them as long as you don't steal more than $950 worth"

Hmm, I'm gonna guess that's not true.
 
This press conference is a carbon copy of the one he did in Mar-a-lago

It's just rambling. It's almost feels half hearted and going through the motions. There's no energy there either
 
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