Some Democrat senators may not like voting for Trump's 2016-20 border policies!
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Some Democrat senators may not like voting for Trump's 2016-20 border policies!
So Beshear/Cooper/Shapiro ?
Most likely not Cooper, since he’s their only shot of a Senate seat in NC.
Cooper bowed out a couple of days ago. Its probably down to Shapiro, Walz, or Beshear.
Cooper has withdrawn, so he is not in the running.
They're saying that their attempts to deal with it were undermined by Republicans following Trump's orders and voting against the bipartisan legislation aimed at trying to fix it.
Walz, it needs to be Walz.
It should be Walz, but I somehow doubt it will be.
I know there's the thinking that choosing the governor/senator/rep from a particular state gives you a bump in that state but Walz would play incredibly well across the entire mid-west and rust belt. Won and held a rural Republican seat for 6 terms. Reached across the isle successfully while in congress and yet has one of the most progressive, labour friendly records as governor. This guy manages to speak to everyone. Give him 4 years and I reckon he'd even have a decent shot at Ohio.
I know there's the thinking that choosing the governor/senator/rep from a particular state gives you a bump in that state but Walz would play incredibly well across the entire mid-west and rust belt. Won and held a rural Republican seat for 6 terms. Reached across the isle successfully while in congress and yet has one of the most progressive, labour friendly records as governor. This guy manages to speak to everyone. Give him 4 years and I reckon he'd even have a decent shot at Ohio.
There seems to be a lot of Beshear noise.
While there are still areas of Biden's border policy to criticize it would be incorrect to say they are just Trump's policies from 2016-2020. There are some stark differences that Biden Admin changed including scrapping Remain in Mexico, reuniting many families and not having the "zero tolerance" separation of families policy, use of Parole for 30,000 migrants/month which Trump and GOP never did, and far less deportations through ICE. It might not be what some people want but it is very different from Trump 2016-2020.
Saw this story on something in Project 2025, I know that Trump has 'disavowed' Project 2025 but this smacks of corporate lobbying to me and it's a terrible idea
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/opinions/project-2025-child-labor-goodman/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/opinions/project-2025-child-labor-goodman/index.html
"She's a woman" that's exactly what he's thinking. cnut.
He implies that Kamala can't stand up to world leaders, because of her sex.
Yet Laura Ingraham does not question him as to why, even when he says "I don't want to say as to why, but a lot of people understand".
You are missing an adjective in there, but yeah, pretty much."She's a woman" that's exactly what he's thinking. cnut.
While there are still areas of Biden's border policy to criticize it would be incorrect to say they are just Trump's policies from 2016-2020. There are some stark differences that Biden Admin changed including scrapping Remain in Mexico, reuniting many families and not having the "zero tolerance" separation of families policy, use of Parole for 30,000 migrants/month which Trump and GOP never did, and far less deportations through ICE. It might not be what some people want but it is very different from Trump 2016-2020.
Its definitely a weak area for Biden and Harris, but she will almost certainly bring up the Sinema-Lankford bill that Biden supported but that Trump torpedoed because he wanted to deprive the Dems of a policy win during an election year. But there is of course the preceding three years that Harris will need to account for, much of which took place during the pandemic. Its a strong talking point for the Republicans, even though many of them voted against the bill that could fix it.
The GOP played a blinder on immigration. During their tenure, they massively reduced funding for border patrol and processing. Then when the number of immigrants spiked (somewhat exogenously, it's not like the US are forcing people to migrate across numerous contries to reach the borders) there aren't anywhere near enough people to process them. So it creats a lovely, visible crisis.
Then when a GOP senator leads a bill to alleviate said crisis - which passed the senate and would have passed the house - Trump tells the GOP to stop it.
It's impossible to explain that in a single ad/message. So if I were the dems, I'd just stay away from it. You can win the election without making it about immigration.
I also don't understand what the more liberal redcaf-ers expect from the dems on the surge in border crossings. It went up an order of magnitude. You can't just easily absorb that into society without serious funding and processes.
Then when a GOP senator leads a bill to alleviate said crisis - which passed the senate and would have passed the house - Trump tells the GOP to stop it.
It's impossible to explain that in a single ad/message. So if I were the dems, I'd just stay away from it. You can win the election without making it about immigration.
I also don't understand what the more liberal redcaf-ers expect from the dems on the surge in border crossings. It went up an order of magnitude. You can't just easily absorb that into society without serious funding and processes.
Fund it seriously.
Trump being interviewed by black journalists now is quality entertainment. He's claiming Harris isn't black but Indian.
When the GOP are pounding this message in advertising all over the country, mostly with lies, the Dems have to respond to it, it's not specifically at presidential level, at state level the GOP are really pushing the illegal immigration and crime and taking your jobs, I'm in MO and I'm seeing them every day
Just watching the rest of this now. The media will eat this up. Some shocking answers from Trump here, to a very hostile crowd.
Pretty much par for the course from Trump. He goes on attack and claims its a horrible question etc.
They thought they were going to have it easy with Biden and have completely underestimated Harris' growing popularity and ability to excite and win over voters. As I've been expecting since Biden dropped out, Harris will continue to rise in the polls. She will be ahead in most the swing states soon.
Agreed. She should be helped by the energy of her VP pick and then the convention, which usually results in a slight polling bump.
Then the next debate is September 10th.
Yep. That's if it happens. I can't see Trump doing it unless he's trailing in the polls and needs a media moment.
Hilarious that Trump is questioning Harris' 'blackness.'
She went to Howard & pledged AKA for christ's sake.
She went to Howard & pledged AKA for christ's sake.
For any other candidate, this would end his candidacy.
But it is just par for the course for Trump.
But it is just par for the course for Trump.
Imagine having to justify your qualifications of being black enough to a racist. Why in the world did he even agree to this farce? Its all embarassing.
What a car crash of an interview.
What is wrong with him?
Wasn't this an audience of black journalists?
He goes in and says "Harris wants to be known as black".
He is weird!
Fecking hell, that interview.
Just watched some clips from Trumps appearance at the black journalist convention and oh my, it's even more of a trainwreck then you could imagine.
I suspect he's doing it for a reason. When Biden was still in, Trump was doing much better with blacks and hispanics than four years ago, so I suspect he's trying to drive a wedge into her support before it eats into his gains before September.
And it'll have absolutely no impact on how many votes he gets.
Not from his base, but this election is not about the bases, its about the tiny segment of persuadable voters. And this? This will not help.
Doing that to his base makes sense, at his MAGA rallies. They are racist and eat that up. But going in front of black journalists? Who likely ALL have had to put up with microaggressions, and casual racism and some having to justify their qualifications and whether they are "too black", or not black enough"? That just insane.
This is beyond braindead, even for Trump's very low standards.
The "Black Jobs" line he uses is insane.
If he was around in the 1800's, he would be telling everyone Africans are taking American jobs.
You know, like picking cotton or farming fields.
If he was around in the 1800's, he would be telling everyone Africans are taking American jobs.
You know, like picking cotton or farming fields.