Deserved punishment for who? The millionaire octogenarians who run the party and will be just fine no matter who wins? Such a stupid take.The democrats are sticking to Biden, and abandoning their country. This should be sane people line from now on. May be they'll wake up then.
Geez, they learned nothing from 2016. A second Trump term with a 7th and may be an 8th supreme court appointment would be a deserved punishment.
Deserved punishment for who? The millionaire octogenarians who run the party and will be just fine no matter who wins? Such a stupid take.
The "fascism" that will be unleashed must not be that bad if the leaders of the opposition party will be fine once it comes.
So all these fundraisers and party figures are not really panicking and it's all a ruse?
I'm not arguing anything of the sort. I merely took issue with the "deserved punishment" line.
Yup.
SCOTUS will be lost for more than a generation, abortion will be outlawed, education will be fecked and kids won't hear about slavery, the Appalachian Trail will probably get a big ass oil pipe through it etc. But feck the Dems for being useless right, so they have all of this coming to them?
Yup.
SCOTUS will be lost for more than a generation, abortion will be outlawed, education will be fecked and kids won't hear about slavery, the Appalachian Trail will probably get a big ass oil pipe through it etc. But feck the Dems for being useless right, so they have all of this coming to them?
Every single biden administration official does deserve the reward of spending a few weeks in gaza
After all, aid is coming through the pier, with israel is cooperating in its distribution, and the IDF has been certified by the state dept as not committing any human rights violations too!
Republicans have won the popular vote precisely once, in the last 30 or so years, and that was when Duby already shouldn't have been president due to losing the popular vote first time.
So no, Americans don't deserve this, the electoral college is the enemy of the people.
Republicans have won the popular vote precisely once, in the last 30 or so years, and that was when Duby already shouldn't have been president due to losing the popular vote first time.
So no, Americans don't deserve this, the electoral college is the enemy of the people.
Its a left-wing thing. Remember last election where the Brexit party dropped out of a bunch of races to avoid splitting the right wing vote, something the LDs and Labour would never ever do. Right wing parties are all about their philosophy winning, left wing parties are about doing what they think is right. Unfortunately in politics one of those ideologies wins a lot and one loses a lot.Why are Democrats so fecking bad at politics?
Trump is going to be president again and it’s going to be an absolute disaster globally.
Your views are irrelevant, you voted Liberal Democrat 14 years ago.
I'm not arguing against that. What I'm saying is that, although some clever folks here think that it is "deserved" that we end up with another Trump term, that is mainly going to feck the American People. I don't give a shit about Biden or the Dems. I "support" them because they are the only normal, albeit flawed, party in the US. The only viable option to govern. You gotta work with what you got and if more people realised that "we" wouldn't be in the sea of horseshit we are right now.
i don't have the time to argue properly, but basically my point is that this "viable option" isn't so viable - morally is one thing, but also in terms of beating the republicans.
trump's people have written their plans out, and the dems have done nothing to slow any of it.
the most damning thing about this viability is that, without a change in politics, it is going to be this decaying thing vs the right, every single election from now until .. is going to be "the most important chance to stop fascism", and there simply isn't an eternal 272 EV coalition to do that. people vote because of economic reasons or immigration or charisma or the stupidest things possible. at some point, most likely this year itself, that dam will break.
the dems had to be unified and decisive if they did perceive this as a fascist threat. for example, appointing a better AG once it became clear that garland wasn't up to the job. or, trying to make laws about the election. or, court packing. they haven't even whispered about any of this, let alone try.
Question: when we were in 2008 and Democrats had secured Obama as POTUS winning 60% of the states, the Senate and the House with 57% and 59% of the seats respectively and held 58% of the governors, with a relatively neutral SCOTUS, what did they do to ensure better representation/end vote suppression/stop gerrymandering? What happened then, when the scenario was unbelievably favorable?
So they’re sticking with him?
Madness.
It’s so over for the US.
SCOTUS will be lost for more than a generation, abortion will be outlawed
I don't understand this future tense here. Liberals already lost SCOTUS for more than a generation and they don't have any kind of feasible plan to get it back. It's done, you got cooked.
That already happened, Trump did that last time he was president, he replaced them, the court is now 6-3, they overturned Roe V Wade. There is no ongoing fight here, liberals lost.
The two oldest are republican, as are 3 of the top 4. If Trump gets back in and they flip the senate it’s very easy to replace at the very least Thomas with someone 20 years his junior and less corruption baggage. Bad situations can get worse you knowI don't understand this future tense here. Liberals already lost SCOTUS for more than a generation and they don't have any kind of feasible plan to get it back. It's done, you got cooked.
Fine, so what's even the point of elections then, everything is done and dusted anyway, right?
That already happened, Trump did that last time he was president, he replaced them, the court is now 6-3, they overturned Roe V Wade. There is no ongoing fight here, liberals lost.
You could think about things two-three generations from now but I don't think that's very meaningful, we have little way to predict how things will be then.
If we had any luck it could be 4-3 in 4 months timeAlito is 74 and Thomas is 76. It is entirely realistic that one or both of them could die of old age during the next 4-8 years. If Biden, although it is less likely now, wins and then the Dems can muster up a decent candidate for 2028 it is game on. With a little bit of luck it is entirely plausible it could be 4-3 in four years time.
Also, as @Charlie Foley says, it could also become a whole lot worse if Trump is able to replace those two with someone younger. THEN the goose is truly cooked.
If we had any luck it could be 4-3 in 4 months time
If we had any luck it could be 4-3 in 4 months time
Biden can just have them killed now, they said so.
Biden can just have them killed now, they said so.
Alito is 74 and Thomas is 76. It is entirely realistic that one or both of them could die of old age during the next 4-8 years. If Biden, although it is less likely now, wins and then the Dems can muster up a decent candidate for 2028 it is game on. With a little bit of luck it is entirely plausible it could be 4-3 in four years time.
Also, as @Charlie Foley says, it could also become a whole lot worse if Trump is able to replace those two with someone younger. THEN the goose is truly cooked.
Alito is 74 and Thomas is 76. It is entirely realistic that one or both of them could die of old age during the next 4-8 years. If Biden, although it is less likely now, wins and then the Dems can muster up a decent candidate for 2028 it is game on. With a little bit of luck it is entirely plausible it could be 4-3 in four years time.
I don't think this sounds particularly plausible.
Biden can just have them killed now, they said so.