Actually the majority of he salaries are growing faster than inflation since november
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Actually the majority of he salaries are growing faster than inflation since november
Any younger and healthy democrats wont be worse than Biden. I dont know why Biden and democrats persists, but it's all about anyone but Trump.
Newsom, Michele Obama, and any other democrats would fare better and at worst people would still vote for them. Biden for all he is, is a net minus votes.
I think they just want a puppet they can control and sedate to get what they want, whatever it is they want
PSA for Non American's: STOP SUGGESTING MICHELLE OBAMA. She has repeatedly said she does not like politics. Will never like politics. Will never run for office. STOP!!!!
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, that’s clearly not true, Kamala Harris likely would do worse with the voters. If they had lined up Newson a year ago, then yeah, he might be polling significantly better than Biden by now but as things are, the hypothetical polling match-ups against Trump suggest that, having waited too long, Biden is the Dems’ best bet, even if he’s not a good one.
I reckon that lady who kept repeating that “joke” about Trump’s hair last time around would definitely do worse.
Do you have a source for that? Not that I think you're wrong, just that I haven't heard anything that aligns with that. Plus I'm not sure since Nov 23 is very meaningful for salary growth vs inflation considering inflation was massive in the year or year and a half before that if that makes sense. Id like to see those numbers from Nov22 to current.
You would have to be very dumb to not understand this.
Good little anecdote about the whole "lesser evil" conundrum, and how you are not just voting for one person, but for the larger administration to be put in place. The story is the first 8 minutes of the clip. The TLDR is basically that the Department of Education during the Obama administration sued a for-profit college (ITT Tech) for fraudulent practices and eventually reached a settlement. When Betsy DeVos became Secretary of Education all of the claims completely stalled, and extremely few were paid out during Trump's term. In 2022 Biden's Department of Education approved a $3.9 billion discharge for 208,000 borrowers. Press release by the Department of Education.
I bet there are many similar examples across the different departments of the government, where a Democratic administration will often do the right thing, whereas a Republican one will favor corporates or special interests (or just be chaotic and incompetent). And that's irrespective of whether Biden might be dozing off in an armchair in the Oval Office.
Generally agree with the sentiment here.
It's vastly simpler than that: Trump does not want to govern anything, his appointees do not want to build anything and his administration will only tear things down.
Dislike Biden, or think he's senile or whatever, but the democrats actually want smart, well-intentioned people to run the government, and improve things. They have ideas and policies that are constructive, rather than exclusively destructive like the GOP have become.
If you believe there is a role for government in a hyper-capitalist society like the US (for you know, things like roads, healthcare and education) than there's only really one party for you. All the GOP want to do is 'privatise' everything, remove taxes and regulations and let the market operate freely. And by freely, they mean ensuring all laws impacting any industry are written by special interest and lobbyists, who coincidentally pay for them to become politicians.
This whole two-evils malarky is insanity to me. It's a catchphrase for people that are too lazy to actually think the tiniest level deeper.
It's vastly simpler than that: Trump does not want to govern anything, his appointees do not want to build anything and his administration will only tear things down.
Dislike Biden, or think he's senile or whatever, but the democrats actually want smart, well-intentioned people to run the government, and improve things. They have ideas and policies that are constructive, rather than exclusively destructive like the GOP have become.
If you believe there is a role for government in a hyper-capitalist society like the US (for you know, things like roads, healthcare and education) than there's only really one party for you. All the GOP want to do is 'privatise' everything, remove taxes and regulations and let the market operate freely. And by freely, they mean ensuring all laws impacting any industry are written by special interest and lobbyists, who coincidentally pay for them to become politicians.
This whole two-evils malarky is insanity to me. It's a catchphrase for people that are too lazy to actually think the tiniest level deeper.
Yeah I agree, but sometimes it’s good to make it concrete for people with real life examples.
Exactly right. Which is why it is so exasperating seeing naive takes about how it doesn't matter or "both parties are bad" etc etc.
Biden is obviously old as feck and ideally shouldn't run - but who really cares? The important thing is that the Dems will be in control with adults in the government. The alternative is a bunch of Christian conservative fascist man-babies.
The majority of American voters.
Well done on ignoring the main point.
I don't think the main point is very strong. People do not vote for cabinets, they vote for the President. Americans are concerned that the President is old and incompetent.
Extreme partisanship is the only reason this isn't a bigger issue. The same extreme partisanship that lead many Republicans to accept Trump.
Extreme partisanship is the only reason this isn't a bigger issue. The same extreme partisanship that lead many Republicans to accept Trump.
Only in the strict technical sense. If you don't think there is a real difference between having Trump's and Biden's cabinets, I would accuse you of being deliberately obtuse.
I do believe there is a false equivalency between the Dems and GOP, similarly to the UK but people should care that Biden is clearly too old.
The good thing for the Dems is that the other guy is in the same boat and even more insane.
The good thing for the Dems is that the other guy is in the same boat and even more insane.
I don't think that's true. Beyond party affiliation I think a defining consideration for floating voters is more likely to be the personage of the presidential candidate than the potential quality of their backroom staff. You might hope that this is not so but in reality....dunno.
I agree that Biden would appoint a better cabinet than Trump. But he has to appoint that cabinet, and he is their boss. The boss should not be senile!
You cannot meaningfully run on "protecting democracy" while simultaneously arguing that it's fine that the elected official has diminished mental capacities as long as unelected and unaccountable civil servants run the show!
You cannot meaningfully run on "protecting democracy" while simultaneously arguing that it's fine that the elected official has diminished mental capacities as long as unelected and unaccountable civil servants run the show!
I agree with people that the Democratic Party is more competent while in government than the Republican party.
But neither Biden, nor his administration, nor the Democrats as a whole, have a particularly strong brand of competence. They poll better or worse than Republicans depending on what's going on, who is in power, etc. For example, in a recent poll, Biden was 16 points behind Trump on the question of who would be more "competent and effective." In June 2020, Biden was ahead of Trump by 9 points.
Some of that is unfair, some is fair. Perceptions of competence diminishing because the President is extremely old is, in fact, very fair.
But neither Biden, nor his administration, nor the Democrats as a whole, have a particularly strong brand of competence. They poll better or worse than Republicans depending on what's going on, who is in power, etc. For example, in a recent poll, Biden was 16 points behind Trump on the question of who would be more "competent and effective." In June 2020, Biden was ahead of Trump by 9 points.
Some of that is unfair, some is fair. Perceptions of competence diminishing because the President is extremely old is, in fact, very fair.
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This is mostly a semantic thing - I think we probably agree. The outcome of voting for president goes a lot broader than just that one person, but I agree that a large share of the voters (probably a majority) does not look at it that way.
Ultimately it's the same thing. The cabinet is not announced before the elections. To vote on its "potential" is to vote on the ability of the presidential candidate to pick a good cabinet. If you think the presidential candidate is senile then that would diminish their ability to pick a good cabinet.
I think the key word there is perception. Obviously Trump has done nothing in that time that should improve perceptions of his competence. He's just lost court case after court case. And yet, his competence rating has increased.
I've continually said the Biden camp have proven incapable of shifting the narrative and hence perception. I don't believe it's all failings on their part - the other side is simply more primed and better fed a consistent message, which they consume without question. Only one side is drinking the kool-aid.
I don't know how you navigate the current media world to communicate a positive message. In all areas, the media trends towards and then amplifies negativity. Obama somehow managed for about half his presidency to create an air of optimisim, but I don't think that would even be possible today. We're just too cynical, jaded and unsatisfied, despite all most actual measures indicating we shouldn't be that way.
But that's not true either. Both of these candidates have picked cabinets before. You might remember one of them being filled with people who have now written books or gone public about one candidate's sheer incompetence and traits that should prohibit rule.
It's like reading "hire Zidane" in other threads on the Caf.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/workers-paychecks-are-growing-more-quickly-than-prices/
57% of workers salary grew over the inflation from november 2022 to november 2023
fecking bloodsuckers
What does this even mean and why does he look so bronze?
Do you think someone could undo the little cap on his heal and let all the steam out.
So weird about changing the name of Pennsylvania. As for the bronze skin, this should be the best explanation.
Sucks that Trump endorsed Sheehy, he will probably win the primaries now, he looks like the stronger candidate against Tester as well.
Senate probably gone now.
Senate probably gone now.
Thought people were saying Senate looked good for Dem just awhile ago?!
There's no way this man should be allowed back in office. What the feck is that crowd cheering about?
So let me get this straight. The US, spends decades, trillions of dollars and untold amounts of deaths fighting Russia and Communism/Socialism/Marxism only for a deranged narcissistic lunatic to just ignore it all and let Russia have at it and do whatever the feck they want?! To add insult to injury he's cheered and supported by the very people who before Trump even became a political figure, have and still are staunchly supportive of the US and their attempts to promote, defend or introduce their capitalist systems....
Ok then.