It wouldn't be in top 100 things that I would worry about. If he's able to form sentences by the end of his term, it already will be an overachievement.
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Really, you do not think if they had put forward a middle aged white man (or even a light skinned African American) that people would have not have gone in that direction instead, it is clear from Trumps misogynistic and racist rhetoric that at least half of America is still living in a 1970s carry on film with none of the laughter.
Was America really ready to accept a woman as president, I hate to say I do not think a lot of Americans are.
That Trump is allowed to use the language that he does is quite honestly is staggering, and when he insists on saying Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, like he is insisting in including the "Hussein" lest people forget, and that it should be interpreted as a slur is so obvious and disgusting I cannot express the level contempt I feel.
Trump should have been an easy knockdown had the Dems put up a candidate that all the bigots could still get behind, instead they pushed the margins.
Honestly I dread to think what the next 4 years will bring, or even longer if he revokes the 22nd amendment, or just decides he does not want to leave, this is one of those events that people will look back at through the lens of history (if the human race survives his 2nd term) and ask how and why?
Do tell.
She didn't improve on Biden's 2020 in a single county in the whole country. It seems pretty self evident that targeted GOTV operation in swing states did stem some of the bleeding compared to other places where Dems didn't bother to turn out. It just wasn't even close to enough, generic ticket in most averages was about D +2, it landed at R+1.
Idk, I think when you have results like NY +10, NJ+5, IL+4 then it was just beyond anything human could do to stop that tide.
Said it at the time, he won when he got shot.
Not just the attack, but those pictures of him with blood on his face and the flag in the background.
Actively participating is actively participating, doesn't always have to be boots on the ground.
Yes, but this is a problem for the Democrats, not a sweeping generalization for a whole society. After all, Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, he was defeated easily in 2020 and, even this time, he won't even come close to the numbers Biden achieved in the popular vote.
Fair enough, i misunderstood your initial post. Thing is, for me, the discussion about how the centre-left has moved toward the right is a discussion to be had mostly about European politics. In the US, the choice has always seemed to be between right and "more" right. Still, this is a devastating defeat for the Dems that should call for some reflection. They won't do it, but it's good to hope.
Still think that was rigged by his team, how can you miss a bright orange beach ball with 8 bullets?
The beer test is still the best predictor of US political election. No one wants to have a beer with Kamala. Personality and charisma will always be decisive.
Yeah, I can accept that, too. Maybe what I see as rightward movement is essentially just standing still
I don't know if Harris is a bad candidate in a metaphysical sense, but the campaign she ran (or rather, others ran for her) seems to have been a big failure.
I fear for anybody who isn't White and a devout Trump cultist in America.
Brexit was the same playbook.
I feel people are way overthinking the reasons of the defeat, its the economy, if the economy was solid, most wouldn't have cared about open borders or gaza or whatever else, trump did not win the popular vote just because biden wouldn't intervene in gaza or the ukraine war and there is only so much abortion rights can get you.
It’s a sad state of affairs that so many people have voted for a guy like Trump to run their country.
But I still find the hyperbolic statements hilarious. Some people are just crazy in general, whether they be on the left or right.
But I still find the hyperbolic statements hilarious. Some people are just crazy in general, whether they be on the left or right.
This is so much worse than the first time, with tha wars going on, an unhinged Elon Musk involved, Europe progressively turning right as well.
I'm depressed.
Curious about 2028 if he'll back down. Looks the sort to start a third world war to stay in power.
I'm depressed.
Curious about 2028 if he'll back down. Looks the sort to start a third world war to stay in power.
Sure was. Prosperity or being right on Facebook, we know what these people would rather have.
Probably. The price of bread is quite ridiculous in the US atm.
He has walked it. Regardless of opponent
Likely to finish on 312. Significant difference in the popular vote. The Senate has flipped. The house looking relatively strong.
Biden and Kamala for varying reasons were terrible political opponents this time around
You are absolute right regarding the U.S.A being rotten to its core. I´ve seen and experienced it first hand years ago.
What we are seeing now is partly the results of years of growing economic differences between the top 1% and the bottom 60% of income groups. Large scale poverty and poor prospects for making a decent to good life will be a strong motivation to try change it anyway possible.
Unless U.S.A start to address this poor income distribution in way that ordinary Americans can see and relate to, then it is bound to get worse and more extreme with time.
Both the Republicans and the Democrats are guilty of allowing the disparity between the ultra rich and the poor to become so huge. Economic desperation is one big factor in creating an poisonous political climate that we see in the U.S.A today.
The political system and both political parties deserves massive criticism for allowing this economic situation to develop over decades. Do not blame the desperate people, however look at the decision makers for the lack of well thought economic policies over the last 40-50 years.
I will definitely try to push for more help to Ukraine from the Danish government and the EU. We can not allow Putin to succeed in taking Ukraine for both political reasons but also for moral reasons.
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Those immigrants are also welcomed in Germany because they have an aging and declining working population, so much so they can't prop up supporting their workforce nor support pension spending on retirees because, as like everywhere, the current generation pays for the previous generations pension.
It’s a great podcast available on BBC Sounds and elsewhere which journeys into the dark undergrowth of modern America a year on from the events of January 6th…”looking for the origins of the story that drove the crowds to storm the heart of US democracy. From conspiracy-soaked barrooms in 1990s Arkansas, via spies in hotel rooms in the shadow of the Kremlin, to anarchic chatrooms on the early internet, this is a search for the answer to one big question: did this just happen, or is somebody trying to break reality?”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bc3rjy
Series 2 was just released a few weeks ago. The gold standard is covered in it.
Food and gas prices are affected by COVID and the war in Ukraine plus OPEC. We're gonna be paying out of our arse for the foreseeable future because of COVID for one.
Something that wouldn't have changed under Trump for the last four years and won't for his next four/eight/whatever the feck happens next.
The simple fact is that the right are very good at blaming the left and the left are fecking shocking at replying back in kind hence people believe it solely down to Biden/Harris and that Trump will change it.
People cannot see beyond the end of their noses about why gas and food prices are the way they are. They're idiots.
It's especially hard to stomach because it seemed like the momentum was with Harris. Trump's disastrous performance in the debates, his evident cognitive decline, the Nazi-style rally at MSG, and the other low-energy rallies with thin crowd numbers going into the last week. I thought America would reject his polarising rhetoric and want stable leadership with women's rights and upholding democracy high priorities. But instead they voted for a convicted felon and civilly liable rapist. It's hard not to feel hopeless and deflated about the ripple effect this will have on the rest of the world.
Fair enough. I'd say it's also the nominally leftist governments' inability to deal with rising economic inequality, when that's supposed to be their turf.
Also would add that by backing Biden/Harris both Bernie and AOC have killed any good will with the American left(Which granted is very small).
They did rally in New York for Jamaal Bowman a few months back and only 300 people showed up. Also the DSA national withdrawn its conditional endorsement of AOC.
Maybe for parts of Michigan but yeah it’s very depressing and bleak that Gaza is likely low on the list for American voters.
He's also talking shite and regurgitating the usual AfD tripe.
I live in Germany since 2005 and his BS about streets being unsafe and every single train station a crime hotspot is ridiculous. Loved the comparison with Poland and the "migrants living on welfare" tired trope.
This guy is as right-wing as it gets and doesn't have a single leftist bone in his body.
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Why should Gaza effect your everyday America really. We know the majority don't give a care regarding what's happening outside of thier bubble.
Half of them probably haven't have even stepped outside of their fecking town.
Half of them probably haven't have even stepped outside of their fecking town.
Woke is a pure aesthetic term. It describes nothing about policy, just the vibe that people get about them.
Realise that there are far bigger issues but it's going to be bizarre seeing him probably hand over the World Cup in 2 years!
And my family visited Germany recently like he visited Poland and we felt perfectly safe.
It's also an own goal though because the lines between the culture war discussions and fighting against the likes of Trump on a moral/value basis get very blurred.
If you're going to make an election a competition on morals and values you have to be very clear what your actual policy is because otherwise assumptions get made. Most people don't follow politics closely enough to separate truth from the noise.
I think politicians everywhere struggle with this in this social media age, there's too much opinion and campaigning. If it's not policy they need to be clear it's not a matter for government.
Tariffs and tax breaks for the wealthy are sure to change that! No one ever heard of tariffs increasing inflation, right?
No need to overanalyse. Americans blamed Biden and Dems for the inflation.
Trump's policies are said to be inflationary (tariffs etc). Guess we'll see if voters punish the Republicans in 2028.
The failure was less about the prices and more about the messaging around those prices.
My issue is I've heard this stuff before.
Clinton was believed to have superior ground game to Trump in 2016. See for example these headlines: Clinton holds huge ground game advantage over Team Trump, Trump’s get-out-the-vote effort 'not even close' to Clinton’s, experts say, Hillary Clinton's secret weapon: her ground game, Ground Game: Democrats Started Fall with 5-to-1 Paid Staff Advantage, Exit poll of early voters shows Clinton's huge ground game advantage over Trump. And then what happened? Trump won the presidency. He outperformed Clinton in the swing stages and won the electoral college comprehensively, but Clinton performed better in other states where it didn't matter. Hence her substantial advantage in the popular vote.
Then as time went by we found out the ground game was not as good as hyped. Hence why I call it a myth. It's an Obama-era holdover.
Trump almost won in 2020 despite the economy being in shambles. They didn’t care. And many argued that it wasn’t his fault, Covid did it, etc. They applied a different logic this time around.
Having said that, the U.S. presidency is decided by a small number of votes in a small number of states. These can swing.
The issue with Gaza is that when you add it to Afghanistan and Ukraine it paints a picture of a world in flames and Dems unable to put the fire out.
This means that the previous pitch of "there is chaos with Trump, we will bring normalcy" is less effective.
Dumbest Country on earth.
Indeed.
As in previous years, more people died than were born in 2022. The excess of deaths over births rose further to 327,000 (2021: 228,000).
Germany's population growth relies heavily on immigration and its steadily aging population represents a considerable challenge for its economy.
Immigration is pretty much unavoidable for Germany.
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