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Ok, but Trump specifically, explicitly ran on a very detailed policy of, "We are going to put 20% tariffs on all imports."

This isn't a "We're going to set tariffs!". This is, for Trump standards at least, actual specific policy.

Dont bet on it. America would collapse over nite.

Just like Trump wants to hit the nuke button against china, not gonna happen. He'll get assassinated or impeached long before that
 
Ok, but Trump specifically, explicitly ran on a very detailed policy of, "We are going to put 20% tariffs on all imports."

This isn't a "We're going to set tariffs!". This is, for Trump standards at least, actual specific policy.
Meh. Last time he promised to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. He won't do anything drastic with tariffs either.
 
Is it really that bad? I'm not caught up much with American politics but on the surface of things it looks bad that Trump will be back in the white house
It's not only the WH. GOP swept the WH, senate, upper chamber. It's a red wave really.
 
I'm so fecking pissed. I don't know how to deal with so much stupidity. Feel sorry for the people those degenerates are dragging down with them but the US is beyond repair it seems. Absolutely fecking insane, like a gigantic social experiment. Wonder what will happen going forward. Will there be protests and escalations when Trump pardons himself? Tries to change the constitution, possibly even to get another term? Will there be more assassination attempts? What about climate protests?
 
As someone who
1. Supported Bernie in 2016 and am 100% convinced he would have easily beaten Trump then
2. Canvassed for Bernie in 2020 and am moderately confident he would have narrowly beaten Trump
3. Likes his policies and policies to his left

Nah. Things have changed now. The US has moved to the right, quite decisively. AOC at one point spoke of open borders or abolish ICE. That makes her dead on arrival. Bernie, who has been less left-wing than her on immigration, is also DOA. In general, the space for left-wing populism opened in 2008 and closed sometime between 2017 and 2022.

Bernie's key to victory against Trump was his popularity with blue-collar whites (Trump's base) and Latinos (who have swung to Trump in both 2020 and 2024). 8 years of culture war and political polarisation has made these votes extremely difficult for any Dem, including left-wing populists. They might have been floating or gettable but are very likely set in the MAGA party now. AOC never had Bernie's appeal with rural whites, and this election should show that minority-minority appeal is a myth - she has no inbuilt advantage with Latinos at all (quite the opposite IMO). More than that, she shares Bernie's weakness with suburban whites (who were the key for Biden's win). Basically, she all downside, no upside.

2028 Dems have limited chances in the suburbs and with some blue collar workers (white and Latino). The Nebraska independent senate candidate who outperformed Kamala by >10% is a possible type, but will have trouble winning a primary that requires college white voters and black voters. The safest option is a white male moderate, and hope that Trump has turned off enough suburban or Latino voters for next time. 2020 repeat.

Of course, there might be a fundamental shift in these next 4 years that makes all this meaningless, but, unless it's something like climate change becoming an issue, or people suddenly discovering human brotherhood about immigration, I don't see it helping a left candidate. If it's significant inflation caused by tariffs, I can see President Shapiro or Newsom in 2028.


Reading hearing podcasts about history, there are moments not taken that never come back. For some Marxists, we are essentially in an incomprehensible or fallen world since 1914, when the social-democrats of each European country betrayed their class, stayed loyal to their country, and supported the war. Everything, even the Bolshevik revolution, is in the sbadow of that un-washable tainted act.
For modern social democracy, that moment may have been Bernie 2016. It could have led to the kind of political realignments that actually generated a stable majority for a left-liberal party. But that perfect storm of circumstances is (IMO of course) lost for a generation now.
Great post. I hate that Bernie didn't win 16, I was heavily on that bandwagon. It's even worse hearing him now. What a different world we'd of lived in.
 
An honest question, how is he planning to "fix" the economy, as this was probably the main voting point for most? And if he can't, will the next election be a Democrats landslide?
All Trump needs to do to ensure an easy Republican win in the next election is to not do anything stupid. The US economy is in a good place right now, it's growing well, low inflation, high employment - he just needs to not feck it up massively and they have it in the bag next time.

Of course, asking Trump not to do anything monumentally stupid is like asking the Sun to please stop creating helium from hydrogen.
 
I'm so fecking pissed. I don't know how to deal with so much stupidity. Feel sorry for the people those degenerates are dragging down with them but the US is beyond repair it seems. Absolutely fecking insane, like a gigantic social experiment. Wonder what will happen going forward. Will there be protests and escalations when Trump pardons himself? Tries to change the constitution, possibly even to get another term? Will there be more assassination attempts? What about climate protests?
There never were any assassination attempts in my opinion. Call me tin foil hatted, but I do genuinely think they were both completely staged.
 
People seems to think that Trump and Republican wants to jail, and deport every immigrants. They just want a strict border and deport illegal aliens. That's something most people can relate to

Dem on the other hand selling the "let's open the border for everyone and let them all in"
Does the above correlate with any reality though or just your imagination?

While Trump isn't going to jail or deport every immigrant obviously, no one is even claiming that so it's a strawman argument. However he has made plenty of inflammatory, anti-immigrant, and flat-out racist comments. “Animals,” “stone cold killers,” the “worst people” who are "eating the dogs" of people.. all off the top of my head.

On the other hand, your literal quote of "let's open the border for everyone and let them all in" is not only nowhere to be found but all I find is the opposite. Biden has been cracking down on asylum seeking migrants and Kamala during her visit to the southern border last month said she will continue making illegal immigration tougher.

"Vice President Kamala Harris is campaigning on a pledge to toughen border restrictions as Republicans hammer her over the Biden-Harris administration's record on immigration.

Harris in late September visited the U.S.-Mexico border for the first time as the Democratic presidential nominee and embraced President Biden's recent crackdown on asylum seekers, which produced an almost immediate and dramatic decrease in the number of border crossings. Harris said she would take it even further. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-immigration-border-60-minutes/


If anything the Republicans keep voting down Dem-led border bills, just so they can continue hammering them on the subject of immigration. They obviously care more about getting elected than seeing the issue solved. And people like you are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
 
An honest question, how is he planning to "fix" the economy, as this was probably the main voting point for most? And if he can't, will the next election be a Democrats landslide?

Nobody knows

But an interesting Trump puncline during the debate was

"If what i did was so bad and you need to be president to fix it, go to DC tomorrow and made it happen. You're the incumbent"

Or something like that
 
Does the above correlate with any reality though or just your imagination?

While Trump isn't going to jail or deport every immigrant obviously, no one is even claiming that so it's a strawman argument. However he has made plenty of inflammatory, anti-immigrant, and flat-out racist comments. “Animals,” “stone cold killers,” the “worst people” who are "eating the dogs" of people.. all off the top of my head.

On the other hand, your literal quote of "let's open the border for everyone and let them all in" is not only nowhere to be found but all I find is the opposite. Biden has been cracking down on asylum seeking migrants and Kamala during her visit to the southern border last month said she will continue making it tougher for

"Vice President Kamala Harris is campaigning on a pledge to toughen border restrictions as Republicans hammer her over the Biden-Harris administration's record on immigration.

Harris in late September visited the U.S.-Mexico border for the first time as the Democratic presidential nominee and embraced President Biden's recent crackdown on asylum seekers, which produced an almost immediate and dramatic decrease in the number of border crossings. Harris said she would take it even further. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-immigration-border-60-minutes/


If anything the Republicans keep voting down Dem-led border bills, just so they can continue hammering them on the subject of immigration. They obviously care more about getting elected than seeing the issue solved.

What did Biden do as soon as he got in office?
 
Will be fun four years to follow.

Project 2025 gutting civil service, Heritage foundation and other loonies loading the lower and higher courts with nobodies like Aileen Cannon, gerry-mandered maps, dimnishing the reach of agencies like FDA, FCC, environment un-friendly policies, Vaccine skeptic in charge of medicine, Musk becoming even more of an edgelord, World cup in the US of A.

FFS
 
The Heritage Foundation's dreams will become a reality.

And the GOP will be delighted that they can impose hard conservative value-laws in key states to ensure that they don't lose support because of demographic changes. Democrats dropped the ball big time and the GOP must be delighted Trump came a long - he can get away with virtually anything.
 
Will be fun four years to follow.

Project 2025 gutting civil service, Heritage foundation and other loonies loading the lower and higher courts with nobodies like Aileen Cannon, gerry-mandered maps, dimnishing the reach of agencies like FDA, FCC, environment un-friendly policies, Vaccine skeptic in charge of medicine, Musk becoming even more of an edgelord, World cup in the US of A.

FFS

climate change research and policy outlawed, vaccine production and new health discoveries abandoned for quack medicine, civil servants treated as political appointments so there is no executive branch of government....on and on we can go.
 
Always find it funny when gender, race, age being used as shield to deflect their own heavy failures, same goes in gaming, cinema industry and then on top calling people on other side morons while thinking you have 200IQ for voting for your side.

You can describe Trump winning in so many ways but when you lose against such muppet, you have to check your own yard first as a reason why, instead of using shield or blaming minorities
 
Selfishly, I hope he was all talk in relation to US tech/pharma companies in Ireland, or we're back to farming potatoes.
 
Always find it funny when gender, race, age being used as shield to deflect their own heavy failures, same goes in gaming, cinema industry and then on top calling people on other side morons while thinking you have 200IQ for voting for your side.

You can describe Trump winning in so many ways but when you lose against such muppet, you have to check your own yard first as a reason why, instead of using shield or blaming minorities

It is absolutely inexcusable to vote for Trump. Voters have responsibility as well, they are voters not customers.
 
Don’t know why we are over analysing this result when the evidence is right before our eyes. People feel worse off. Their pockets are leaner. They take their anger out on the administration when that happens. It’s the same thing that happened here and in every other functioning democracy.

When you feel poorer, everything else is secondary.
Yep. It will be interesting to see more data over the next few days but life is shite for the average American.




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All Trump needs to do to ensure an easy Republican win in the next election is to not do anything stupid. The US economy is in a good place right now, it's growing well, low inflation, high employment - he just needs to not feck it up massively and they have it in the bag next time.

Of course, asking Trump not to do anything monumentally stupid is like asking the Sun to please stop creating helium from hydrogen.

With Trump not running in the next election, Trump doesn't need to worry about it. He doesn't care about the Republican Party, it's just a vehicle towards power which he has used and achieved successfully twice
 
I'm so fecking pissed. I don't know how to deal with so much stupidity. Feel sorry for the people those degenerates are dragging down with them but the US is beyond repair it seems. Absolutely fecking insane, like a gigantic social experiment. Wonder what will happen going forward. Will there be protests and escalations when Trump pardons himself? Tries to change the constitution, possibly even to get another term? Will there be more assassination attempts? What about climate protests?

The verdict and all happened under Dem. His shenagigans happens before Biden, they did nothing rather than token charges and indictment which by the looks of it are going nowhere. What do you expect when he actually holds presidency

And let's not forget he won convincingly, including the popular vote. People support him and dont fancy him doing jail time
 
The most consequential aspect of this result is the Supreme Court. We will likely see Thomas and Alito step down in the Trump term and their replacement will be there for 2-3 decades.
 
Trump is a rural turnout machine, and in a normal election year I think he's pretty much unbeatable. The Dems got fortunate in 2020 with covid keeping so many older republicans from coming out to vote.

I think the world is pretty much fecked now that he can do whatever he wants the next four years.
 
Thanks Ruth

The Dems dont get the spine and the nouse to push her out.
If I am honest this did make me think should Sotomayor go ahead and bow out tomorrow and Schumer get a lame duck quick young justice in for her now. Shady but GOP do it. Obviously wont matter for the balance but what can you do.
 
If I am honest this did make me think should Sotomayor go ahead and bow out tomorrow and Schumer get a lame duck quick young justice in for her now. Shady but GOP do it. Obviously wont matter for the balance but what can you do.
I expect Sotomayor is more interested in finishing her own term shall we say “organically” than doing Dems any sort of favour like that. The fallout is something she will literally never have to deal with.
 
:lol:
To be honest they quite obviously should have ran a mini primary and not just put Harris in, but I think they were losing anyway either way, even with Biden staying
Harris to me seems like the fall person whilst Dems regroup
It was way too late in the game for that. Dems needed to unite behind a candidate as quick as possible.
 
Dunno but the more such stance is pushed, somehow fecker still gets votes and thats an issue

From the outside looking in, it seems there's to much focus on trying to damage trump rather than promote what the Dems are good at.

For the limited knowledge I have of US politics i wouldn't have voted foe either, I would spoil my vote. Both terrible candidates.

I also think the media in America is so bias, it's hard to get any balance in the reporting of the election.
 
So who's going to be the scapegoat for the Trump administration when reality sets in that things aren't in fact going to get better for ordinary folk? Mexicans? Haitians? Women? Palestinians?
 
I expect Sotomayor is more interested in finishing her own term shall we say “organically” than doing Dems any sort of favour like that. The fallout is something she will literally never have to deal with.
I know that is obviously the case it was a case of clearly the rules and decorum dont matter what can get quickly done
 
Another aspect thats weird is need for endorsement from celebs, aint their influence after everything like all time low, some could say even having negative impact
 
Funny thing is, Trump was constantly boasting about the stock market during his time as president.

Because people wish they were rich and hearing a rich guy banging on about the stock market sells the idea that they can get rich.

The reality and the perception couldn't be further apart but people are delusional dreamers rather than grounded in what is real.
 
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