He somehow gets elected every year United sack a FA cup winning Dutch manager to hire a Portuguese one.
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It was both for most of the election. Competency became more important (and his numbers lower) after the debate.
Such as?
Better yet, just pick a man. Becuase they’re just better, it seems.
Is anyone seriously surprised?
That's not the point at all in this election. Biden would have probably been worse off. Harris being Biden's VP, not showing much of a distinction and the people's dissatisfaction with the economic situation are the core reasons for this result.
Remember that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016.
Facts about football that shouldn't be true.
Florida was even more worse than expected. What the hell happened in Miami Dade?
Yes, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, etc. All far, far better options.
Being a good orator does not make someone a good candidate even if they often overlap. And don't you see a fundamental flaw in the premise of convincing someone to run? She despises politics as she has often said. If you have to convince someone to run, it's failed from the start.
The myth of the potential Michelle Obama candidacy needs to die.
It's all Ten Hag's fault, why did he have to go and win the FA Cup?
And since on the short timescales of 4 year terms, a lot of the economy has little do with an administration's policies, they aren't actually holding their governments accountable.
It's a blank cheque for future governments to be as incompetent and corrupt as they like, because the voters have shown they do not care about these things.
In terms of both immigration and tariffs, I doubt Trump will make a big enough dent in just 4 years for people to separate it from the usual economic up and downs.
Ah well. Done now. Nothing we can do.
Eh take away the pre election day hype I always thought it was going to be close and that there was a good chance Harris would lose. I had it as a coin flip for most of the election cycle. I'm surprised by the numbers though, didn't think Trump would win the popular vote like this and I honestly didn't think he would sweep all the battleground states.
She's also losing in MI, WI and NV (resp. 93.8%, 93.2% and +84% of the ballots counted with Trump largely leading). AZ doesn't look good either.
So if I understand it right, she lost the EC, the popular vote, the House and the Senate?
So if I understand it right, she lost the EC, the popular vote, the House and the Senate?
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As with 2016, the biggest losers are all the data geniuses behind the polls. Well Americans too, but they seem to be gluttons for punishment.
At least Trump only likely has two years free reign.
He could be the first republican in 20+ years to possibly win the popular vote. Why aren't you surprised? This isn't a knife edge result, he's crushed them. Something that doesn't happen for 20+ years tends to surpise people FFS.
It's been a bloodbath.
That's exactly the out of touch and reality attitude that drives people to Trump (for better or worse). What middleclass guy gives a rats about "booming stocks" when you can't afford a living.
Let's be honest, biden should have stepped down way sooner and there should have been a proper primary
Funny thing is, Trump was constantly boasting about the stock market during his time as president.
I never rated her but still genuinely thought that it would be a tight race given her opponent.
Has there been such a crushing defeat for either party in US history?
Feel very sorry for a lot of Americans today, even the morons that have voted for Trump because they think he's going to sort their lives out.
Reagan won 49 states.
He'll make their lives worse, blame someone else for it and they'll love him for it.
Looking at the results and the landslide win I actually start to believe Biden would have perfumed better or least not worse than Harris.
Inflation brought on by a range of factors, domestic and global is usually dealt with via a harsh recession. What do we think Biden or Harris' chances would've been at 7-8% unemployment? It doesn't have to be about the stock market. Not cratering into a deep recession is a good outcome, even if people didn't feel the full benefit. However, that doesn't solve the issue of the economy and a slow and sclerotic democratic party is humbled tonight.
Fair enough and I'm sure discussions have moved on now.
Getting a lot of positive US equity commentary in my inbox. Buy more US stocks, particularly small and mid caps.
Woke up three minutes before posting that. I have no clue about the intricacies of this defeat.
Drill baby drill
This. Alarm bells should have been ringing at Dem HQ when poll after poll kept showing the macroeconomic numbers weren’t moving the needle about how people felt.
Real talk. If the Dems won, Harris would have had to do an absolutely flawless job in order to prevent an even worse, even further right wing MAGA loon from taking over in 2028 - and it would be Harris running against them as the incumbent.
As things stand, the Dems can at least go back to the drawing board, find an actually good candidate, and come out strong for 2028 with the US hopefully having realised that Trump and his cronies are bad.
None of that helps things for the next 4 years of course. My unusually optimistic stance is that there is an opportunity for Europe and the UK to reduce reliance on the US, probably see further EU federalisation, and become a more prominent player. Hopefully the UK can be part of this. As for the US.... feck knows. Sympathy to those who voted Harris, but for everyone else the term "you reap what you sow" comes to mind.
As things stand, the Dems can at least go back to the drawing board, find an actually good candidate, and come out strong for 2028 with the US hopefully having realised that Trump and his cronies are bad.
None of that helps things for the next 4 years of course. My unusually optimistic stance is that there is an opportunity for Europe and the UK to reduce reliance on the US, probably see further EU federalisation, and become a more prominent player. Hopefully the UK can be part of this. As for the US.... feck knows. Sympathy to those who voted Harris, but for everyone else the term "you reap what you sow" comes to mind.
Dunno, someone that didnt lose primary in the past or w/e they call that shit or someone opposite of Hillary, you making it sound like there isnt/wasnt better option out there, like when we cope that there is no better manager for United.
And you don't have to go that far back: Obama's 2008 win was more comprehensive than Trump's win today. He won 365 electoral votes vs 173, with a 10 million vote advantage in the national popular vote.
Someone who hasn’t said about a bajillion times they categorically don’t want to seek office would probably be a good start.
People who are happy right now - Bibi, Putin, Musk, Farage, frackers, pro-lifers, incels and trolls. What a bunch.
I'm very glad I'm not one of them.
I'm very glad I'm not one of them.
I totally agree - if the result had gone the other way there's no way he would have accepted it.
Unfortunately it seems like it wasn't even close to going the other way...
Dems not taking this well, and seemingly exposing latent desires while at it?
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