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I don’t quite understand why more people don’t make use of mail in voting and even early voting rather than waiting for the day off.
Mail in voting was a disaster in 2020 in WI (I personally had to request ballot twice, took 2 weeks to arrive) and so I think people are hesitant to risk it. Early voting was easy in the 2021 local election though, so not sure why more don't use it.
 
If the Dems lose I think this is where they would have messed up, instead of giving people reasons to vote for them the main argument has been vote for us so trump doesn't get in.
I don't believe that is even remotely true. Dems have been the only ones to even talk about issues. All Trump has done is talk about owning the libs, vengeance, concepts of plans, and deporting millions of brown people with no plan at how or how much it costs.

The plans have been there. The issues have been there that Dems want to act on and work on.

If Kamala loses it would be because Biden shouldn't have even announced he was running again and had time for the full primary etc.

I can't point to a single great mistake Kamala made honestly in such a short campaign having to jump in out of nowhere coming from behind in every metric basically.
 
I think conventional wisdom is that that's better for the Dems indeed. Did a quick Google search but some interesting results popped up. This from a NYT article 6 days ago. Anyway, we'll have to see.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/30/upshot/election-turnout-trump-harris-polls.html
I really don't buy that line of argument from Cohn.

The groups with chronically low turn out are young people and minorities.

Now, let's grant his assumption that Trump made a lot of inroads with those, and the low propensity voters of those groups are more supportive of him than their voting group, it's still a net negative. Let's say Harris is +70 with black voters, but only +20 among low propensity blacks, she still gain votes in a high turnout environment. The only way his argument prove true is if only the disproportionately pro Trump groups like young white dude bros with no college degree turn out while every other groups remain static, but when has that ever happened?
 
Anyone know what happened to the ballots in the early voting bins that those MAGA pricks set on fire?

Where the ballots undamaged, or did they arrange something for those voters to submit a new ballot?
 
Hoping to wake up Wednesday morning to hear Trump has won. I’m not his biggest fan, far from it, but I just think Harris is a devious witch with ideas above her station.

I’m not the biggest fan of his stance on sexually abusing women and being close friends with rapists, but then she didn’t set herself apart enough from Biden during that 60 minutes interview so it’s all swings and roundabouts really.

In an ideal world, I’d be able to vote for a Republican candidate who had shared some articulate policies, rather than a campaign run on soundbites of divisive and hate fuelled rhetoric, but he’s going to make China pay tariffs for American businesses while she’s tanked the economy so what choice do I have?
this is insane. is it satire?
 
This thread seemed to be full of people expecting Trump to carry this earlier, nice to wake up from a nap to find that it’s more hopeful in here now.
Let's see. I feel hopeful, but then remember that in 2016 and even in 2020, when results started to come out things were not looking so good.

I'd absolutely love for it to be over relatively quick in favor of Harris, I'd be over the moon. But I'm very very reluctant to have that as an expectation. I'm steeling myself for something a lot less favorable.
 
I really don't buy that line of argument from Cohn.

The groups with chronically low turn out are young people and minorities.

Now, let's grant his assumption that Trump made a lot of inroads with those, and the low propensity voters of those groups are more supportive of him than their voting group, it's still a net negative. Let's say Harris is +70 with black voters, but only +20 among low propensity blacks, she still gain votes in a high turnout environment. The only way his argument prove true is if only the disproportionately pro Trump groups like young white dude bros with no college degree turn out while every other groups remain static, but when has that ever happened?
Agreed, wasn't particularly convinced by that argument either.
 
Let's see. I feel hopeful, but then remember that in 2016 and even in 2020, when results started to come out things were not looking so good.

I'd absolutely love for it to be over relatively quick in favor of Harris, I'd be over the moon. But I'm very very reluctant to have that as an expectation. I'm steeling myself for something a lot less favorable.

Yeah, same. Treating the idea of Trump losing like the idea of United turning a corner, or City facing serious consequences for their 115 charges.
 
This is fantastic news. Trying to get ahead of Trump's "Stop the Count!" is good for the entire country.

 
When will the first exit polls come out?
 
The higher the turn out, the better for Harris
Hopefully.
One anecdote, though. My partner worked at the tabulating machine this morning in the only polling station in town. She said that a white, male who looked in his 50's or 60's came to the tabulator and said he had never voted before and wasn't sure what to do with his ballot and showed it to her. He had voted for Trump and no one else in any congressional, state or local races or local bond initiatives. Trump reaches parts that other republicans don't.
 
Usually better for Dems right?
Yes though with the caveat Trump has two of the top six election turnouts in history I think, 74.2 million in 2020, 62.9M in 2016. His 2020 figure is the second highest ever (Obama has 3 and 4, Hillary 5, then Trump). Biden’s 2020 number of 81.2M is insane.

Last time a republican won the popular vote was Dubya in 2004. HW beat Dukakis by like 9 million in 1988 then got Ross Perot’d in 92.
 
Anyone know what happened to the ballots in the early voting bins that those MAGA pricks set on fire?

Where the ballots undamaged, or did they arrange something for those voters to submit a new ballot?
They were able to work out from pick up times who might be affected and called on those who dropped off ballots after X o clock on Y day to come in
 
Yes though with the caveat Trump has two of the top six election turnouts in history I think, 74.2 million in 2020, 62.9M in 2016. His 2020 figure is the second highest ever (Obama has 3 and 4, Hillary 5, then Trump). Biden’s 2020 number of 81.2M is insane.

Last time a republican won the popular vote was Dubya in 2004. HW beat Dukakis by like 9 million in 1988 then got Ross Perot’d in 92.
Fixed numbers though don't say that much. It's more the percentage of eligible voters turning up that is interesting to me. The US gained about 25 million people between 2008 (Obama's first election) and 2019 (Trump's latest). The US has gained about 23 million people since 2019. I think those are the kinds of numbers that are hard to comprehend from a European perspective where the growth is a lot more flat.
 
He will probably be a Senator, already moved to Michigan since he has no chance of getting a Senate seat in his native Indiana and a House seat is too unglamorous for his national profile. Gary Peters is 66 and probably win serve another term before vacating his seat to let Buttigieg run for it.
Not if Harris wins, he's going to be a senior member of the cabinet, he's more likely to go for a Governership if she loses, he'll like run for President in 2032 and maybe even in 2028
 
This thread seemed to be full of people expecting Trump to carry this earlier, nice to wake up from a nap to find that it’s more hopeful in here now.
I think the views in here are largely reflective of the the biases we have all built into our own timelines and sources of news, which are likely predominantly male POV focused.

I think women have been pissed off for years post-Dobbs and the polls have underestimated this. The switch from Biden to Harris has given women, a core part of the Dem base a shot, in the arm and rekindled that righteous anger. That has driven enthusiasm and coordination crucially the last few months. It seems the narrative is now catching on.

Trump hasn't helped himself with his campaign but if Harris wins, this will be the main reason.
 
When will the first exit polls come out?
Midnight UK time.

I sent this to a friend in France earlier, just subtract 1.

The swing states close at the following times in France

Georgia 1am
North Carolina 1:30am
Pennsylvania 2am
Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan at 3am.
Nevada at 4am
 
I don't like all these people telling CNN they voted Trump, but didn’t want friends and family to see them on TV - that is a bad sign...
 
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