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Trump losing Florida would be one of the biggest surprises in American history IMO. @calodo2003 I'd say 75% of the randoms I have been paired with in Florida are trump lovers.
Confident Florida won't be going blue tonight.

That's unfortunately Florida these days, nothing really new there.
 
That's the issue, plus we don't need 100% of polls to suck to lose confidence in them. If only 20 to 30% are crap, that's more than enough to contaminate aggregate polling and most of the models anyone could build around them. Which leaves some of us trusting the handful of polls that have been working well in the past, others looking at aggregates, others looking at reactions in airports, and such. No one knows anything and everyone's confidence depends on some degree of wishful thinking.

Hence, aggregators like Silver weigh pollsters based on quality which should mitigate their influence. The problem I think is that there are now more than 50% crappy pollsters!! supposedly

Edit: Votehub supposedly tracks only high quality pollsters.
 
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If he does win, the hope is the house at least stays Dem controlled which would keep some degree of checks and balances on his predictable silliness.

House goes to whoever have the white house imo, so, if Trump wins, he will have a trifecta.
 
If he does win, the hope is the house at least stays Dem controlled which would keep some degree of checks and balances on his predictable silliness.
This is another issue with a Trump. The Reps will take back the senate. The House will be the last slimmer of hope to keep some sort of check if not for 2 years its Republicans all over the place and they will force everyone to go even further backward.
 
My theory on Polymarket is that 99% of the punters on there are crypto bros that consume almost exclusively libertarian pro-Trump media and that’s given them overconfidence in a Trump victory.

yeah that's exactly it basically

in 2020 you could still get ~16% on Biden AFTER the election result was called, as so many still held on thinking Trump would overturn the result
 
House goes to whoever have the white house imo, so, if Trump wins, he will have a trifecta.

That's possible but not inevitable. The Senate will probably go R just because of the way the key races are going. The house is more of a question mark.
 
If Kamala does win I think the Dems will look to pardon Trump for all his misdemeanours as a gesture of 'good will' and bridging the divide. Which would be wasteful really, the Republicans definitely wouldn't reciprocate in the reverse scenario, and will continue being as rabid as ever.

Will never happen but I sincerely hope they throw the book at all of the MAGA cronies, Trump, Musk, all the nefarious feckers who took part in the little fascist tour.
Not sure if this dream or if you’re living in some fantasy land but this will never happen. And it shouldn’t. This isn’t some misdemeanor he committed. He has been convicted federally and still has ongoing cases. No way would a pardon happen nor should it happen.
 
Disagree. 270 to 268 would do just fine.
No it wouldn’t. Given where the dems were in Aug, in basically 2-3 months, how far they were behind Trump and the way they have campaigned and got their message across is nothing short of incredible. So even if she wins with 270 on the dot it’s been an incredible campaign and comeback.
I get your points but in an ideal scenario I want him to lose so badly even the RNC decides the Trump expirement is fully over. I don't think that will happen if it's tight - and disagree with Jon Oliver's segment last night that implied he will be politically dead after this. They didn't even hold him accountable for the mid term losses paired with the presidential loss before. The man is like teflon. Even Mitch and other major establishment figures basically threw in the towel already and the rest of the crazies are still knocking at the door.
 
It is all good as long as Dems show up. Otherwise, not much point of those %s as Republicans are still leading numbers wise?
These are EDay votes and Dems are on track to win it. Most of the margin from Clark for them come from mail in ballots, and they are not included in those figures.

The fact that Rs aren't winning or even losing EDay in Clark is very bad for them, because that means all their margin will come from rurals, and they are nearly exhausted after turning out en masse for early voting.

 
So annoying that we have to be this concerned and invested in a foreign presidency vote just because there's a deranged lunatic involved.

Back in the Obama days it was just fun to follow the whole thing, now it's just terrifying.
 
Agree. It tells people, if he can't be disciplined in the last stage of his campaign, then what will he be like when President?

We know what will he be when president. Scary
 
My theory on Polymarket is that 99% of the punters on there are crypto bros that consume almost exclusively libertarian pro-Trump media and that’s given them overconfidence in a Trump victory.

Yep exactly this.

It's complete nonsense to try and read anything about who will win tonight via a crypto betting site. That apparently Americans can't even bet on anyway.
 
Having a chat with my co worker who believes Trump is the better choice, because Kamala is a Obama puppet and something and facilitates the military industrial complex?

I asked what he was on about and I said Google doesn’t have any results they said Google donate to Dem so they’re biased. When I asked where I can find it they said X. :lol:
 
I get your points but in an ideal scenario I want him to lose so badly even the RNC decides the Trump expirement is fully over. I don't think that will happen if it's tight - and disagree with Jon Oliver's segment last night that implied he will be politically dead after this. They didn't even hold him accountable for the mid term losses paired with the presidential loss before. The man is like teflon. Even Mitch and other major establishment figures basically threw in the towel already and the rest of the crazies are still knocking at the door.

RNC is kinda run by Trump's family though, so there is no getting his influence away from the party, short-term.

Besides, only something like Texas going blue, would be so monumental as to cause a shift within the GOP, which is not a likely scenario, but maybe in 2028.
 
These are EDay votes and Dems are on track to win it. Most of the margin from Clark for them come from mail in ballots, and they are not included in those figures.

The fact that Rs aren't winning or even losing EDay in Clark is very bad for them, because that means all their margin will come from rurals, and they are nearly exhausted after turning out en masse for early voting.


But this is assuming that Dems will keep showing up more and more throughout the day right? If this is their peak, they will be in trouble? Unless there are some other sources that will make up for it?

Latest according to him:

1/5/2024 - 8:30am
Dem 6,154 (31.6%)
Rep 6,025 (30.9%)
Other 7,293 (37.5%)

Are you hoping that the "Other" category leans heavily Dem? In rural areas, "Other" often leans the other way, I would guess?
 
But this is assuming that Dems will keep showing up more and more throughout the day right? If this is their peak, they will be in trouble? Unless there are some other sources that will make up for it?
Younger voters skew Dems, younger voters vote later in the day.

Is there a chance those well established voting pattern will reverse this year? Sure, but I wouldn't bet on it, even if I don't root for Ds.
 
So annoying that we have to be this concerned and invested in a foreign presidency vote just because there's a deranged lunatic involved.

Back in the Obama days it was just fun to follow the whole thing, now it's just terrifying.

Trump changed the game in that regard. Prior to him, like you said, I never had much skin in the game in terms of who was their president, outside of thinking Obama was a great orator.

Nowadays there’s legitimate concern :lol:
 
We know what will he be when president. Scary
Yes. Brought the in-laws from Ukraine to Portugal. I fear for Ukraine future with a Trump Presidency and I preferred to take no risks. It was difficult to convince them because they are old folks and don't have enough information to understand geopolitical dynamics but we were able to bring them to safety. I'm not confident Americans will do the right thing. Too much polarization. We will see what the future bring us. Their dream was to live the rest of their days peacefully in their country but I don't see that happening with Trump.

Well at least I was able to do that in contrast with people with family in Gaza.
 
What's the rules regarding campaigning/ publishing polls today in the US is it allowed on election day?

Pretty sure it's not allowed in the UK until the poll stations are closed.
 
I get your points but in an ideal scenario I want him to lose so badly even the RNC decides the Trump expirement is fully over. I don't think that will happen if it's tight - and disagree with Jon Oliver's segment last night that implied he will be politically dead after this. They didn't even hold him accountable for the mid term losses paired with the presidential loss before. The man is like teflon. Even Mitch and other major establishment figures basically threw in the towel already and the rest of the crazies are still knocking at the door.

If he loses again, why do you want the GOP to dump him? Let him keep running. Let him keep losing.
 
What's the rules regarding campaigning/ publishing polls today in the US is it allowed on election day?

Pretty sure it's not allowed in the UK until the poll stations are closed.
The only rule is that they need to wait for the polls to close in a state before they start publishing results from the state. All else seems like it's fair game.
 
Just switched on Fox News live feed for a couple of minutes and he's on there slagging off the secret service and saying he thinks they've run the greatest campaign of all time.

Oh and Oprah is the great divider of people in America.
 

This epitomises what is wrong with news broadcasting in America, I don't know the politician, whether he is actually decent or not but the reporter is a disgrace, not that we are great in the UK, but here that report would never take place, if it somehow did the reporter would be working for QVC within a week if he was lucky.... how do you guys actually live with this? does it not make you physically sick?
 
If he loses again, why do you want the GOP to dump him? Let him keep running. Let him keep losing.
Dipshit Jr winning the GOP primaries in 2028 would be even better.
 
This epitomises what is wrong with news broadcasting in America, I don't know the politician, whether he is actually decent or not but the reporter is a disgrace, not that we are great in the UK, but here that report would never take place, if it somehow did the reporter would be working for QVC within a week if he was lucky.... how do you guys actually live with this? does it not make you physically sick?
It’s Fox News. This is how they are. The Senator is a very respected democrat. He has gone plenty of times on Fox News and schooled them.
 
Love living on the west coast for this. Get to see if all unfold throughout the afternoon.
 
This epitomises what is wrong with news broadcasting in America, I don't know the politician, whether he is actually decent or not but the reporter is a disgrace, not that we are great in the UK, but here that report would never take place, if it somehow did the reporter would be working for QVC within a week if he was lucky.... how do you guys actually live with this? does it not make you physically sick?
Pete Buttigieg, former mayor of a smaller city in Indiana, now Secretary of Transportation. That makes the EV topic relevant in this clip, since Pete is in charge of overseeing investment towards transportation infrastructure and strategic programming.
 
Bc I'm sick and tired of the media attention he draws and the continuous poisoning of public discourse.

I agree with you there. He is poison. But i wouldn't expect the next GOP to be that much better. He has created the play book and my fear the next Republican will be someone like Vance, who is far more dangerous to the country as he could actually execute plans from The Heritage Foundation.

And if Trump doesn't run in 2028, i can see him holding an Apprentice style GOP Primary at Mar-A-Lago, where he gets to fire the candidates. He will be the King maker.
 
BTW, if you're in the UK and have a Samsung TV, the Samsung TV Plus app has CNN on 4005.

That's if you're particularly sadomasochistic, I guess.
 
I'm just getting the feeling that Harris is going to win in a relative landslide now.
 
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